Wtc Data Faked In Conspiracy To Mislead Research, Deception and collusion void truth quest? Options

[Christophera]

I have no idea why the perps chose to demolish the buildings in the order they did - you are going to have to ask them because apparently you don't know why they did either. What you are doing is commonly reffered to as GUESSING.

This logical, thought process is known as CRITICAL THINKING.

My guess is based in CRITICAL THINKING and has a logical conclusion. Meanwhile you have not produced anything to support the notion that there were no planes including CRITICAL THINKING which has been requested and you admit to having no guess of any kind.

I have a web site with evidence that shares the only logical conclusion for the backwards impact/fall sequence that can be derived from evidenced events. Note, that impact locations and the directions of fall of pieces of towers are also logically accounted for.

http://algoxy.com/psych/9-11scenario.html#anchor1207667

[Christophera]

The presence of deep compulsion and hypnosis can cause hallucinations.

Things which are not there can be seen, and things that are there might not be seen.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/human121.jpg)

People can be hypnotized against their will, without their knowledge.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/human123.jpg)

There is actually no rational explanation for all of the bizarre theories that depend on huge cognitive distortions, obsessions and perhaps hallucinations. The psyops depends on persons influenced in this way to provide incessant distraction and confusion. Therein, the truth seeking public, not experts, are beset with a plethora of nonsense, and they run from the search for truth.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Jul 11 2008, 11:54 AM

[Quest]

Christophera, you've seen how easy it is to make a hit video as demonstrated in another thread here in Alt. How do you know that the Michael Hezerkhani video isn't a fake like the Pentagon video? WHat is your proof it isn't fake?

[Christophera]

Christophera, you've seen how easy it is to make a hit video as demonstrated in another thread here in Alt. How do you know that the Michael Hezerkhani video isn't a fake like the Pentagon video? WHat is your proof it isn't fake?

I can prove that plane impacts had nothing to do with the twins coming down.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/corefacesexploding.jpg)

And this proves that we should NOT be discussing something NOT responsible for what did bring the towers down. It is a distraction that is ABSOLUTELY useless which you seem obsessed with discussing. There can be no useful outcome from the product of your discussion.

That video can be faked does not mean vido was faked. Faked video of planes has nothing to do with 1,350 foot towers dropping at rates of free fall to the ground identically. Planes impacting 1,350 foot towers has nothing to do with 1,350 foot towers dropping at rates of free fall to the ground identically.

[Quest]

Christopera,

I have NEVER implied that if you cannot prove the Hezerkhani video was fake that by default it meant they were indeed fake. No. Never. Not even once. But you have STILL managed to avoid my question which is;

It has been demonstrated in another thread how easy it would be to fake the 2nd tower Hezerkhani 'hit' video. Keeping that in mind and the fact that most truthers believe the Pentagon hit video to be fake, along with the recently unearthed Al Jezeera video, if you are going to claim the Hezerkhani hit video to be authentic and respresentative of what exactly transpired with the 2nd tower impact, would it not be scientificly unsound to not consider the POSSIBILITY that the Hezerkhani video, which CNN plastered on the jacket of it's "America Remembers" DVD documantary, was faked in order to burn into the minds of the public the idea of "fanatical Arab hijackers"? After all, the MEDIA is not only responsible for the build up to War on Iraq and soon, Iran, the MEDIA continues the coverup of 911 TO THIS DAY. You do not see the relavance of the 2nd tower hit issue? DO I have to spell it out?

Again, what scientific methods have you used to determine the Micheal Hezerkhani is authentic and is what actually transpired? Please have the decency and respect to a fellow Pilots member to answer directly, and if you have no intention of answering the question, please lket me know that as well so that I can move on and not waste any nmore time with you on this topic.

One last point, if you don't want people to chase you regarding this topic, please stop bringing it up in a thread on controlled demolitions.

This post has been edited by Quest: Jul 11 2008, 02:59 PM

[Christophera]

Christopera,

I have NEVER implied that if you cannot prove the Hezerkhani video was fake that by default it meant they were indeed fake. No. Never. Not even once. But you have STILL managed to avoid my question which is;

It has been demonstrated in another thread how easy it would be to fake the 2nd tower Hezerkhani 'hit' video. Keeping that in mind and the fact that most truthers believe the Pentagon hit video to be fake, along with the recently unearthed Al Jezeera video, if you are going to claim the Hezerkhani hit video to be authentic and respresentative of what exactly transpired with the 2nd tower impact, would it not be scientificly unsound to not consider the POSSIBILITY that the Hezerkhani video, which CNN plastered on the jacket of it's "America Remembers" DVD documantary, was faked in order to burn into the minds of the public the idea of "fanatical Arab hijackers"? After all, the MEDIA is not only responsible for the build up to War on Iraq and soon, Iran, the MEDIA continues the coverup of 911 TO THIS DAY. You do not see the relavance of the 2nd tower hit issue? DO I have to spell it out?

Again, what scientific methods have you used to determine the Micheal Hezerkhani is authentic and is what actually transpired? Please have the decency and respect to a fellow Pilots member to answer directly, and if you have no intention of answering the question, please lket me know that as well so that I can move on and not waste any nmore time with you on this topic.

One last point, if you don't want people to chase you regarding this topic, please stop bringing it up in a thread on controlled demolitions.

I guess you don't get it. Let me try some tricky text that will stick out.


^{Planes do not matter, existent or non existent. They had nothing to do with the towers coming down.}

I don't discuss planes or videos about planes.

This thread is about Wtc Data Faked In Conspiracy To Mislead Research which deals with the structure of the towers. However, misinformation generally is misleading research. So anything revealing about misinformation is aproximately appropriate here.

Are you bringing up the NPT and videos because it is misinformation that is misleading research while distracting people from meaningful information?

This post has been edited by Christophera: Jul 12 2008, 04:24 AM

[Quest]

Christophera, you are the one that brought up the topic (NPH) in a thread on controlled demolitions, not I my friend. In reading your responses though, I get the impression you don't bother reading my posts because you don't/won't answer my question. Message sent. I get it. I'll bow out and leave you on your own. No offense intended, I was just responding to your post regarding NPH.

Back on topic.

This post has been edited by Quest: Jul 12 2008, 04:27 PM

[Christophera]

Christophera, you are the one that brought up the topic (NPH) in a thread on controlled demolitions, not I my friend. In redeading your responses I get the impression you don't bother reading my posts because you don't/won't answer my question. Message sent. I get it. I'll bow out and leave you on your own. No offense intended, I was just responding to your post regarding NPH.

Back on topic.

Which appears to mean that this fact,

^{Planes do not matter, existent or non existent. They had nothing to do with the towers coming down.}

will be something you ignore and will continue to clutter, distract and confuse the public. No, I do not discuss planes because that is what the perps want us to do, ad nauseum.

No offense is taken Quest, and none is intended. However the facts of our behaviors shall be on the table.

[CocaineImportAge...]

...found this pic`of the core and just posting it for reference!


....(IMG:http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff68/911wasainsidejob/core-gradient.jpg)


...though i have a funny feeling that someone might say its just elevator guide rails!?!

...still looking for a concrete core though!

... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

[Seatnineb]

Chris....with all respect bud....

Your drawing cannot be true.....becos it fails to take into account the openings in the perimeter of the core wall for the elevators..... all you included was the opening for the hallways....which is partially correct....
(IMG:http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/uploads/ats32620_corehallsdoors.jpg)

...but the hallways for the north tower bisected the core from the west to east-east to west wall.......

as seen here in my modified version which is not to scale......but it does illustrate the configuration...

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/concretecoreagain2.jpg)

...also the opening for the elevator doors were in the north and southern walls of the core...

in my drawing below...i have shown the opening ifor these elevators in the northern wall of the core....

I have also so shown how the shape of the core changed as these elevator banks dropped off...after a certain height:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/concretecoremodified.jpg)

If concrete was used....it would have had to take into account these openings for the elevators...

This post has been edited by Seatnineb: Jul 13 2008, 09:10 AM

[Christophera]

Chris....with all respect bud....

Your drawing cannot be true.....becos it fails to take into account the openings in the perimeter of the core wall for the elevators..... all you included was the opening for the hallways....which is partially correct....
(IMG:http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/uploads/ats32620_corehallsdoors.jpg)
WTC 1 CORE

...but the hallways for the north tower bisected the core from the west to east-east to west wall.......

as seen here in my modified version which is not to scale......but it does illustrate the configuration...

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/concretecoreagain2.jpg)

...also the opening for the elevator doors were in the north and southern walls of the core...

in my drawing below...i have shown the opening ifor these elevators in the northern wall of the core....

I have also so shown how the shape of the core changed as these elevator banks dropped off...after a certain height:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/concretecoremodified.jpg)

If concrete was used....it would have had to take into account these openings for the elevators...

WTC 2 had a different core than WTC 1. Once the PA determined that WTC 1 was going to be so difficult to rent they found a method of creating more hallways in WTC 2 and elevator entry from outside the core at lobby level.

The 1990 documentary, "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" had a segment near the end, where construction images and film showed WTC 2 rising in the background, that described the WTC 2 core and how the base of the core was tested as a NASA missle launch pad with rocket exhaust ports in the location of elevator doors. The weight of the gantry simulated the towers weight in their test.

The only or images or video we have which shows elevators is of WTC 2. I've examined the evidence presented for this very carefully. For example the firefighters video posted at breakfornews.com which began in WTC 1 shows marble finish between interior box columns and there is a 2 foot high panel that runs between the interior box columns at floor level. No elevator entry there.
Later, in completely different lighting because of the smoke outside after the 2nd hit, the operation moved into WTC 2, elevators are seen with stainless panels and shaft numbers on the interior box columns.

We need an explanation why Rodriguez has not clarified this.

[Seatnineb]

@Chris...

Sorry Chris......

But I can't take U seriously....after that NASA reference.....there is no proof of that.....unless you produce that docu....

There is drywall ...not concrete....on the western wall of the core after some of the marble has been knocked off......

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/southsidecoredamage.jpg)

....and here is the one and only hallway that bisected the core of the north tower...in a pre-9/11 shot

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/hallwaycore.jpg)

..you can see this hallway...running west to east-east to west from this topological view from WTC chief Yamasaki 1979 book....."A Life In Architecture":

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/2yamasakishuttle2.jpg)

Here are more shots of the elevators that perforated the northern wall of the core in the lobby...

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

....and here is a shot of the south tower lobby from the 1976 King Kong film...

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong2.jpg)

...as you can see from the above foto...the configuration is the same as the north tower

(north tower lobby)

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/mezzaninelobby.jpg)

.........but it is the orientation of the core that is different.....

The concrete...if there was any...would have had to have been poured/placed around these openings for the elevator doors....

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong3.jpg)
(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong4.jpg)

....otherwise...there was no concrete.....

This post has been edited by Seatnineb: Jul 13 2008, 01:54 PM

[Christophera]

@Chris...

Sorry Chris......

But I can't take U seriously....after that NASA reference.....there is no proof of that.....unless you produce that docu....

There is drywall ...not concrete....on the western wall of the core after some of the marble has been knocked off......

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/southsidecoredamage.jpg)
Marble is not fastened to drywall. it is fastened to "hardy back" a concrete product with a fiberglass reinforcement. It is also used under tile in showers.

....and here is the one and only hallway that bisected the core of the north tower...in a pre-9/11 shot

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/hallwaycore.jpg)

..you can see this hallway...running west to east-east to west from this topological view from WTC chief Yamasaki 1979 book....."A Life In Architecture":
Which supports exactly what I say. The lower floors of WTC 1 had only one hallway crossing the core.

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/2yamasakishuttle2.jpg)

Here are more shots of the elevators that perforated the northern wall of the core in the lobby...

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

....and here is a shot of the south tower lobby from the 1976 King Kong film...

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong2.jpg)

...as you can see from the above foto...the configuration is the same as the north tower

(north tower lobby)

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/mezzaninelobby.jpg)

.........but it is the orientation of the core that is different.....

The concrete...if there was any...would have had to have been poured/placed around these openings for the elevator doors....

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong3.jpg)
(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong4.jpg)

....otherwise...there was no concrete.....

And all of those images are WTC 2 which had a core that was different. A completely redesigned concrete core with elevator access from the lobby.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

The above can only be concrete. If it is not concrete, reasonably explain what it is.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Jul 14 2008, 03:59 AM

[Seatnineb]

Chris.....

this is the south tower lobby from the 1976 King Kong film..

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong2.jpg)

...and this is the north tower lobby....from the Naudet film:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

[Christophera]

Chris.....

this is the south tower lobby from the 1976 King Kong film..

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/kingkong2.jpg)

...and this is the north tower lobby....from the Naudet film:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

I don't believe that. Do you have the link to the video?

That assertion has been made before I think, after examination I saw that images from WTC 1 were different.


You, .............. are an imposter. The original seatnineb always used lower case.

[Seatnineb]

Chris....

The north tower lobby:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

...can be seen here...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pg8FQiJ-Rcw&...feature=related


Any concrete...if there was concrete....had to be poured around the openings for these elevators.....on every floor...

This post has been edited by Seatnineb: Jul 14 2008, 02:10 PM

[Christophera]

Chris....

The north tower lobby:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

...can be seen here...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pg8FQiJ-Rcw&...feature=related


Any concrete...if there was concrete....had to be poured around the openings for these elevators.....on every floor...

First you've stated only the lobby, now it's every floor.

The video has a narration stating WTC 1, not individuals in the video. It is a 2007 upload and could easily be faked.

The other video of the firefighters arriving at WTC 1 showed a wall along the bottom of the black marble panels between box columns with no elevator shaft number plaques.

Your assertion simply is seen contrary to evidence of tremendous strength in the core of WTC 2, and it is not structural steel.

(IMG:http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif)

seatnineb from democratic underground ALWAYS used lower case in the username. You are an imposter.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Jul 15 2008, 04:00 AM

[Seatnineb]

Sorry Chris...looks like i owe you an apology....

This diagram I did is wrong.....there would not need to be elevator doors on each floor like i showed here....
(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/concretecoremodified.jpg)

...becos these elevators shown here in the ground lobby of wtc1...:

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/elevatordoornaudet1.jpg)

were the serivice express elevators that went directly from the lobby......to the 77th floor skylobby.....they did not stop at any other floor.....other than the ground lobby...or the 77th floor....hence ...no need to have any door openings(for elevators) on any other floor from the ground lobby...to the 77th floor.....so your drawing showing a monolithic block/wall encompassing the perimeter of the core...running the height of the bulding...without any openings:

(IMG:http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/uploads/ats32620_corehallsdoors.jpg)
... holds true .....

But this shot:
(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/expresselevatotcloseup2.jpg)

....is from the lobby of wtc1

...becos you can see the sign for the restaurant in front of the elevator that took you to the "greatest bar on earth"...on the 107th floor of WTC1

(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/empty_lobby.jpg)
(IMG:http://edit.81x.com/Authors/TruthExplosion/baronjudge.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.chicagobarproject.com/Memoriam/Greatest/GreatestMatchbooks.jpg)


Located in Lower Manhattan in the Wall Street District, the Greatest Bar on Earth became one of the most happening places in the city following its rejuvenation in 1997. And, because it was located on the 107th floor of Tower 1, it was the highest bar in the world. Even though none of us can belly up to the bar there anymore, the Greatest Bar on Earth shall always serve a mean cocktail in our collective memory.


http://www.chicagobarproject.com/Memoriam/...st/Greatest.htm

[Christophera]

delete

This post has been edited by Christophera: Jul 15 2008, 01:52 PM

[Christophera]

Sorry Chris...looks like i owe you an apology....

Apology certainly accepted.

I've seen a much greater array of images of the Tower lobbies than are posted. WTC 1 is different. No stainless between the interior box columns and no shaft number plaques. A very dark granite is between the columns and a short piece of wall is at the bottom.

Just because there are advertisements for a Tower top bar seen in the lobby, does not mean the bar is at the top of that tower.

This post has been edited by Christophera: Jul 15 2008, 01:52 PM