Georgia... Russia/us/israel 'proxy' War Has Begun, This could be prelude to large regional conflict, including Iran Rating Options

[Devilsadvocate]

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with that.
It's quite and simply the way in which the media have been handling this whole thing.
First:
"Georgian troops bombard Zkhinvali with artillery, missiles and aircraft. The Ossetians claim hundreds killed; but the figures can not be verified independently..."
Then:
"Russian intervention...Western ally is being attacked".
Then:
"Brutal Russian intervention with hundreds killed".
Then:
"Brutal Russian bully continues illegal war against poor defenseless Georgia; 3000 dead..."
I've been posting a lot of stuff at the British 'Guardian'-website:

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2008/08/g...the_west_t.html

under my actual name.
One poster there actually suggested that I shouldn't worry too much- the US-military would be able to destroy most Russian nuclear weapons within hours; after that, it would be a purely conventional conflict, and the Russians would have no choice but to surrender shortly thereafter...
A surprising number of people actually thought evidently that the supposed 'hundreds of deaths' were produced by- wait for it- the *Russians*, who are responsible for unspeakable things, evidently.
I've tried to fight the tide, but unfortunately the internet has limits...
Meanwhile, I have found an article in German at "Spiegel Online", in which a German expert on international law explains the actual legal implications of the conflict.
Quite surprising...
I have translated it into English- Link and Translation underneath...

This post has been edited by Devilsadvocate: Aug 13 2008, 10:19 PM

[Devilsadvocate]

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,571853,00.html

(International Law)

"Russia was entitled to help South Ossetia"

Was Georgia entitled to enter South-Ossetia, were the Russians entitled to hit back?
Daniel-Erasmus Khan, expert for international law in Munich, shows up the legal background of this conflict- and explains why Russia had no interest in explaining it's actions in a better way.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Professor Khan, the war for South Ossetia was militaily decided very quickly- but who was covered by international law, Russia or Georgia?

KHAN: That's difficult to say; it depends on who broke the law of nations regarding the illegal use of force- and on wether the other side reacted in an proportionate way.

SPIEGEL OMLINE: The Georgians say they only reacted to attacks by separatists.

KHAN: Even if that is true, it's still always a question how one reacts.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: On TV, there were images of shell-craters marked with yellow ribbons saying 'Police Line- do not cross'- so at the first moment, it would be an obvious case for the police, and not for the military?

KHAN: In principle, yes. But of course that would not have been possible, because Georgia had no actual control over the police in South-Ossetia for years, since the territory was factually independent.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Were the Georgians then entitled to simply invade there, possibly to re-integrate it permanently?

KHAN: First of all, one must note that under international law, South-Ossetia is still a part of Georgia. Even Russia has never- not even now- recognised South-Ossetia as independent; for then North-Ossetia, which is a part of Russia, might have immediately demanded the same thing. Also, there never was an official declaration of independence.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: But there was a referendum.

KHAN: This may show that there is a popular demand, and with that the nucleus of a nation, but this is not enough. But the fact that South-Ossetia is still a part of Georgia does not mean that Georgia is entitled to restore it's territorial integrity by any means.
The prohibition on the use of force within international law does not only apply to national states, but it also protects a so-called de-facto-regime like the one in South-Ossetia from the use of force.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Does it play any role that a ceasefire-agreement between the South-Ossetian separatists and Georgia was in existance?

KHAN: Yes, that is an important point. A stable de-facto-regime is always protected from the use of force; this is for example the case in regard to Taiwan, which is also not an internationally recognised state, and which is under international law still a part of China. But this applies especially when an official ceasefire-agreement does exist. The re-conquest of territory which is protected by a ceasefire-agreement is in breach of the prhibition on the use of force. In this case, a ceasefire-agreement existed, with an internationally recognised ceasefire-line. If Georgia tried to change the territorial status quo by force...

SPIEGEL ONLINE: ...which view may be supported by the fact that Georgian troops occupied the South-Ossetian capital Tskhinvali...

KHAN: ...Then Georgia was in breach of the prohibition on the use of force.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Regardless if South-Ossetian separatists fired first?

KHAN: Yes. Especially considering that a military offensive like this one usually requires a certain amount of preparation, so that a few shots fired in South-Ossetia are at best an excuse for an operation which was prepared long beforehand.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is it possible at all to fight rebels?

KHAN: Yes, but not if their rule is stabilised within a given territory, and the regime has a chance to last. Such a stabilised situation existed in this case.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Russia on the other hand was allowed to aid South-Ossetia, even though it is still part of Georgia?

KHAN: Yes. This form of collective right to self-defense generally also applies to a de-facto-regime.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: But Russia never declared to defend the South-Ossetian regime or the cease-fire line. The Russian president Dmitrij Medvedev said instead that they wanted to protect the Russian population in South-Ossetia; is it possible to use this as a reason for an intervention?

KHAN: Not in this form. It may well be that it has meanwhile become internationally common to protect one's own citizens abroad by limited military operations. For the Bundeswehr, such a precedence case happened in 1997 during the rescue of German citizens in Tirana, and internationally there have been other cases when hostages were freed and returned to their homelands. Those were always strictly localised and only in regard of the humanitarian purpose. But the re-conquest or even conquest of territories goes far beyond that. Even if one were to see territorial defense for humanitarian reasons as justified- which in any case is not accepted- then the means used for this purpose would have to be strictly limited for this purpose.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: The bombing of Tbilisi's airport, and the Black Sea-port of Poti or the Russian advance unto Georgian territory by Russia were against international law in any case?

KHAN: If it serves defensive purposes, it is quite possible to drop a bomb unto the military part of Tbilisi's airport, and it is also legal to push enemy forces back unto their own territory in order to protect oneself.
But to create a security zone outside South-Ossetia or even just outside the cease-fire line Russia would not be entitled to under international law.
As for the bombing of the Port of Poti, the same applies:
Military actions must be proportionate and must only be directed against military targets.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: And the fighting in Abkhazia, were the Russian armed forces support Abkhazian separatists against the Georgian army?

KHAN: Abkhazia is also a part of Georgia under international law, also there is a de-facto regime consisting of separatists, and therefore the same principle applies:
It's a question of who was in breach of the cease-fire agreement, and who was defending.
In this case, it's even more difficult to assess then the events in South-Ossetia.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: But isn't it strange that Russia is officially citing a point which can justify it's own military operations only with difficulties as far as South-Ossetia is concerned- even though there were other, more plausible reasons which could have been stressed?

KHAN: The explanation for that is probably found again in the situation in North-Ossetia: If the Russians had declared to defend the regime in Tskhinvali, then the North-Ossetians would have interpreted this as a revalorization of themselves, and might have used the opportunity to claim a compatible status on Russian territory.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: Georgia is viewed as a potential candidate for NATO-membership. If Georgia had already been a NATO-member, would NATO have had to go to war against Russia?

KHAN: Certainly in the moment when the Russian defense would have turned into agression- for example, if they had begun to excessively bomb Georgian territory, then NATO would have had to invoke Alliance-condition, meaning the fulfillment of the obligation to provide assistance to other member-states.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: What further consequences will this conflict have for Georgia?

KHAN: No matter who the guilty party in this conflict was, Georgia most certainly misjudged the situation. The South-Georgian troops were even within South-Ossetia still present in many locations. These positions are now lost to the Georgians, and they will hardly regain them. NATO-membership is of course for the time being out of the question.
Also, those diplomatic initiatives which would have made it possible to retain a mostly autonomous South-Ossetia within the Georgian national fabric will have difficulties for the foreseeable future.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: And internationally, especially in regard of the relationship between Russia and the US, who were both fighting over this case before the UN-security council?

KHAN: That the US have flown Georgian troops from Iraq back to Georgia is something which the Russians will dislike just as much as the US disliked the Russian action against an American ally. At the last meeting of the security council, things really came to head: The Russian delegate gave out to the American, asking if he heard properly or if he just forgot to take his earplug out, and the American was not exactly tentative in his choice of words either.
Noises like that have been quite uncommon at the security-council in the recent past.
This does not promise anything good for the future.

Interview by Dietmar Hipp.

[nitatutt]

Im feeling that the Global Elite have long realized their "War On Terrah" isnt being "bought" by the public, therefore they need a whole new "cold war". But this time, its going hot.

Rob,

Yes, especially since the propaganda drugs are beginning to wear off, the veil is slowly being lifted.
When regular / every day type citizens start to express their lingering questions / doubts about 911 et al, the program changes.

So much does not make any sense. Why did / does the rest of the world powers go along, collude with the despots in DC?

I realize most Americans are not privy to the secrets of the State Dept, etc; but what are the cabals in DC, Russia Europe and China up to ? The next 3-4 generations of Americans have already been declared chattel and hardly anyone protest.

Our national, state and even local elections are proof of the rot (the vile canditates, pander, manipulation and blatant fraud). Can almost smell the evil comming from the TV screen - I can hardly believe what I see. Most of our representatives have probably been compromised for decades, more than a few are ready for the glue factory and appear to be suffering from dementia.

The decline of the United States - economically, militarily, morally is so clearly on purpose, yet only possible because America is bankrupt in so many ways. I hope younger Americans can stall or stop the decline, but how can they? Why would an 18-25 year old - say 10 years from now - want to fight for their country, when their country has thwarted, probably ruined their chance of even sustenance (forget the American delusion) ?
They - future generations, may not even get the chance to salvage what little is left.

Faux news played me like a harp, (probably the intention)

This post has been edited by nitatutt: Aug 13 2008, 11:03 PM

[Devilsadvocate]

Why would an 18-25 year old - say 10 years from now - want to fight for their country, when their country has thwarted, probably ruined their chance of even sustenance (forget the American delusion) ?

To earn a meal...

[grizz]

Thanks for the translation of a most illuminating article, Devilsadvocate. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

They - future generations, may not even get the chance to salvage what little is left.

That's why we do what we do.

Welcome to Pilots, nitatutt.

[Leslie Landry]

U.S. Armada En Route to the Persian Gulf: "Naval Blockade" or All Out War Against Iran?

This might be an interesting article you would like to check out:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...va&aid=9817

[kiwisteve]

A little out of left field, but this is what I was thinking...

The US/Israel bunch have some nasty plans in the pipeline for an unnamed country which has obtained most of it's advanced military hardware from Russia.

Now, since the end of the Cold War, the aforementioned criminals have had scant opportunity to see this hardware used in anger and may be unsure of it's capabilities.

What better than to goad Russia into a conflict and then observe the response.

Perhaps they were observing Russian communications, cyber tactics, hardware or field tactics just to see if there were going to be any surprises for later on. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[Devilsadvocate]

I just hope these boyos don't intend to put down roots in Georgia while they are delivering humanitarian aid. In their own interest...
Because if they do, accidents can happen.
And I hope the Russian Generals have moved on from the cold-war-mindset.
(There was a video from the 1960's or 70's, showing a Tupolev doing acrobatics about a hands breath away from a US-aircraft carrier- what they call "Game of Chicken"...
This is one time to refrain from childish stuff like that!)

And now I'm going to go to eat- in spite of them all. I refuse to allow those bastards (...you know who) to spoil my appetite for a perfectly good dinner... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/charge.gif)

[Omega892R09]

(There was a video from the 1960's or 70's, showing a Tupolev doing acrobatics about a hands breath away from a US-aircraft carrier- what they call "Game of Chicken"...

Which reminds me of HMS Ark Royal's 'Kotlin Incident'.

Russian escorts were persistently trying to disrupt Ark's flying op's by steaming across the stern during recoveries and across the bow when launches were in progress.

I hope you don't mind this little diversion Mod's.

One evening in the Med' this Russian 'SAM' Kotlin, picture taken by myself at around dawn on the day on which the collison happened after dusk:

(IMG:http://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/AirSea/ArkRoyal/Russkies/SAMKOTD.jpeg)

miscalculated and a collision resulted. The memory of this incident is still sharp.

I was working on equipment in the for'ard hangar extension for'ard of the for'ard aircraft lift when the Ark started vibrating like mad with my tools doing a jig from deck to waist height. Rushing forward to the nearest compartment with a Tannoy (broadcast system speaker), which happened to be the Air Engineering workshop, I was just in time to be thrown off my feet by a terrific 'crunch' into a metal bending machine.

Having picked myself up and with the alarm klaxons roaring in my ears it dawned on me that my other duty that day as ship’s duty AA (aircraft artificer) called me down to 11 deck Juliet Section Starboard side to check and close up on damage control watertight integrity. Descending down through the decks, fully clipping hatches as I passed through them, I entered compartments where there was no lighting other than the torch I had providentially taken with me, I sensed the ship losing weigh and listing - worrying. Having reached the bottom, and still expecting another big 'crunch', I then began to go up, once again securing all clips on hatches as I passed through.

Reaching 4 deck, a weather deck above the waterline, and breathing a sigh of relief I cranked the nearby damage control 'phone to inform Damage Control HQ that Juliet Section Starboard Side was closed up. It was only know that I found out what was going on and that the crew had been piped to emergency stations - the flight deck - and thus mess-decks would be emptying.

Thus my other responsibility as mess bar manager, concerned about pilfering, propelled me in the direction of my mess on 2 deck port side, just aft of mid-ships directly below the waist catapult launch hold back spot - this was a bit of a trek from 4 deck starboard and took me through several other weather decks on the port side from where I noted a low shape just off our port forward quarter firing Very lights of different colours in all directions.

Other stuff at:

http://lionels.orpheusweb.co.uk/AirSea/Ark...skies/Ark7.html

EDIT: Charset hic'

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Aug 15 2008, 05:19 AM

[grizz]

Saakashvili may be put on trial in Russia, say prosecutors

August 14, 2008

Russian investigators have launched a criminal case on charges of genocide in connection with the events in South Ossetia. Russia’s Interfax news agency reports that the Russian General Prosecutor's Office has said Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may also be put on trial.

Igor Komissarov, deputy chairman of the Prosecutor’s Investigation Committee, said it had "initiated a genocide probe based on reports of actions committed by Georgian troops aimed at murdering Russian citizens, ethnic Ossetians, living in South Ossetia."

According to the latest figures, about 1,600 residents and 74 Russian peacekeepers have been killed as a result of Georgia’s attack on South Ossetia.

Speaking at a joint media briefing with French President Nicholas Sarkozy, President Medvedev said double standards are inadmissible when evaluating the actions of politicians who are guilty of mass killings of civilians.

“The situation when one, who committed thousands of crimes, is characterised as a terrorist, and another as a president of a sovereign state, is very strange,” he said.

Meanwhile, Marina Gridneva, a spokesperson for the General Prosecutor's Office, told Interfax that Russian law allows for foreign citizens to be brought to trial if they have committed a crime against Russia’s interests.

She said that evidence of murder, following the attack of Georgian troops in South Ossetia, may be used as a basis for future charges against Saakashvili.

Aleksandr Torshin, Vice Speaker of the Russian Federation Council, said that Saakashvili and his closest allies must answer for their actions in front of an international tribunal.

But he said he is worried by some assumptions in the west that Mikhail Saakashvili is “inadequate and may be mentally ill.”

“In such a case there will be no trial against him. He would get a certificate, a ward, and everything would be explained that he is nutty. I fear such a development of events, and I have an impression that this variant is being considered in the west,” Torshin said.


http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/29005

[André]

"I just hope these boyos don't intend to put down roots in Georgia while they are delivering humanitarian aid. In their own interest..."

I believe that might have been the plan from the beginning, since the US military could not come in through the front door with Georgia's unlikely NATO membership, they devised this back door that achieves the same results. As far as the break away provinces I suspect the genocide in South Ossedia was deliberate to ensure that there was no going back. Now that south Ossedia is no longueur part of the equation, it makes everything more simple.

The Neocons do not care about human rights, democracy, Georgia or Ossedia, they care about the oil pipeline, and they needed to secure Georgia so the project can move forward, anyway we will see in the near future if US military presence in Georgia is expanded...

[André]

"Brzezinski also serves on the board of the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce that includes people like Tim Cejka (President of ExxonMobil Exploration); Henry Kissinger; James Baker III (who in 2003 went to Georgia to tell them President Shevardnadze that Washington wanted him to step down so U.S.-trained Mikhail Shaakashvili could replace him as president); Brent Scowcroft (former Bush I national security adviser); and Dick Cheney (who served on the board before becoming Bush II's V-P)."

http://space4peace.blogspot.com

[Devilsadvocate]

anyway we will see in the near future if US military presence in Georgia is expanded...

Future?
How about present...?

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSLD49893320080813

...Day before yesterday, by the looks of it...

This post has been edited by Devilsadvocate: Aug 14 2008, 01:33 PM

[Omega892R09]

Well 24 hours later and my post is still

Awaiting moderation

Well! Shock!

They have published my comment but it has slotted in with others that were posted at the same time but published on the same day, so of course it is way down from the head of the posts.

BBC Have your say - if you are lucky!

Something weird about that BBC link I posted. I copied it from the browser URL field as usual but it does not take one to the expected position in the thread.

Also the thread name has now become:

What next for Russia-Georgia relations?

Looks like the BBC are real confused on this one. They are still steering clear of reporting the Georgian actions of last week in true light unless one opinion expressed in this report has any basis in fact:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561801.stm

[nitatutt]

Eerily similar to some of the alliances / skirmishes pre WWI & II.
Suppose the U.S. decides to "act" on Iran, and the worse case scenario follows, loss of a carrier (or more), WMD, tens of thousands of casualities, the U.S. and Western Europe (and our new signatory allies in E Europe) grind to a hault, bio-diseases, food shortages/famine, zero economy, looting/riots on a massive scale, retaliatory nuclear strikes in several countries, et cetera.

Then the "stans", and their cousins rise up - alligned with the Bear and friends to attack Israel. Their anger has built up for decades, and they are so manipulated.

Who gets the blame ?

I've often wondered if the modern state of Israel isn't a convenient cage, a long range goal conceived by the world powers (and the rulers of HELL) - especially since they seem to be getting alot of bad press lately - coincidence ? I've seen (read/history) that movie before. (I don't follow any organized religion - but I do choose Christ and what that belief entails)

I don't believe that the Jews are the cause of all Earth's problems, we need only look at our reflection for that answer. Sure there are alot of Jews in the U.S. gov, but there are alot of other races (and nazi's, and perverts) too. Also don't believe that the Iranians plan on turning some American cities into glass (not yet anyways). I figure Iranians enjoy and seek all the creature comforts that electricity brings - just like U.S.; besides if NK, the Paks, India, et el gained admittance into the club of death why can't Iran ?

The only thing thats missing is the assassination of some poor "connected" fellow, somewhere out there.

Also notice the msm constantly tells us how powerful the United States is - who are the propagandist trying to convince ? They used to tell U.S. how wealthy we are.

Due to the United States bankruptcy(fraud) I expect a major war soon. Every major war/conflict seems to be an attempt to exterminate a major gene pool and recoup losses and/or steal. Ironic that there has been so much talk about "ethnic cleansing" the past few decades, seems to be our current foreign relations policy.

Russia promised they would get even after Kosavo, I recall a Russian diplomat promising Russia would not forget(can't find the quote), and we get to watch.

The perverts are about to cull the herd, they've got their well stocked rat holes to crawl into, cockroaches.

This post has been edited by nitatutt: Aug 14 2008, 04:04 PM

[Devilsadvocate]

By now, the headlines are not about fighting anymore.

But the reactions of the media and the politicians (the European ones, that is) are still rather strange, to say the least.

Western politicians must be aware of the situation regarding international law.

They must also be aware that Georgia not only blatantly disregarded international law, but committed warcrimes in the process.

They must be aware that Russia not only was entitled, but compelled by international law to intervene (even if they did not use that as an explanation for their intervention, but instead spoke of the 'protection of Russian citizens).

The headlines regarding the situation may have been toned down slightly (in Europe, at least); but it's still the most serious crisis to occur in Europe since the end of WWII.

At the same time, it looks as if newsoutlets like CNN are deliberately slanting reports in order to deliberately generate an anti-Russian mood within the general public in the US, while on the whole the western media has decided to back Saakhashvili and his godfather, George Bush- and posterity be damned.

Considering the way in which the run-up to the invasion of Iraq was covered, that is more than strange behaviour:

"Fool me once- shame on...err...well, it means yout can't fool me again...!"

(not a saying, but a quote)

Or so one should think.
The kind of rethoric coming from Bush and even his potential successor McCain over the last few days have been quite shrill (like a musical duo, more like).
By now there are military bases within Georgia which have been placed under the auspices of the US-ministry of defense.
That means that the Russians can still shoot down Georgian aircraft operating out of Tbilisi airport, but they can no longer bomb the military base at the airport (unless they want to run the risk of hitting an installation under the auspices of the Pentagon).

So. All of this must be assumed to be fully understood by politicians like Gordon Brown (who called for a speedy admittance of Georgia into NATO just a few days ago), or Angela Merkel (who today is in Russia and has critizised Russia for it's 'over-the-top reaction' and wants Russian troops out of Georgian territory- meaning Ossetia.
At the same time, they must also be fully aware that if any serious incident should occur in that place, anything resulting in the defense agreement between Georgia and the US being fully implemented, then in all certainty their own countries would be seriously affected- if for no other reason then the fact that there are US-military bases on their nations territories.
That defense-agreement is at this point at least partially implemented (hence the bases unter Pentagon-auspices); it may be fully implemented at the drop of a hat. In that case, we would be looking at a military confrontation between two nuclear-armed nations with a combined number of more than 12000 nuclear warheads between them.

Trying to push some political outlook may be one thing.
But under the present circumstances, this behaviour is zipping somewhere between "irresponsible" and "reckless" like a pinball.

Some journalists seem to try and do their job; but their voices were only heard after several days. At the same time, "Human rights watch" makes some strange assessments.
They declare the casualty-figures to be 'exaggerated', stating that after five days reliable figures should be available- and the information they had at that point would point to much lower figures.
I would expect the figures to be somewhat lower, all right- but Human rights watch simply ignored an important detail:
Many of the victims had been buried by their families or neighbours in the backyards of their houses or near were they died. The reason was that the graveyard was under fire much of the time.
So- no: After five days, I would *not* expect reliable figures.
Besides- they should be talking to the refugees in Russia, not Russian army-officers in Tskhinvali: That is what human-rights organisations usually do-collect eyewitness-accounts.

Amnesty international has had the distinction of having one of their offices undermined by the British secret service in the past (at the time of the "Nurse Nayirah"-incident.)

Several years after the Abu-Ghraib-affair (and in the face of an administration which has never really stopped to see torture as a legitimate means to their own ends), I would not trust an American human rights-organisation as far as I could throw them.
The chances are that aforementioned administration can hardly have ignored the fact that those very human rights organisations (both 'Amnesty international' and 'Human rights watch') had accused them of using torture-
well *before* the Abu-Ghraib-pictures had turned up.

This is not over by far:
On the contrary.
It hasn't even begun yet...

This post has been edited by Devilsadvocate: Aug 15 2008, 11:48 AM

[Devilsadvocate]

George has gone on hollidays????????????

WHERE??????

US-Präsident George W. Bush bekräftigte am Freitag die amerikanische Unterstützung für Georgien und rief Russland erneut zum Abzug aus dem Kaukasus- Staat auf. In einer kurzen Erklärung vor dem Abflug in einen zweiwöchigen Urlaub im heimischen Texas nannte Bush Georgien eine mutige Demokratie.

(Translation:)
US-president George W. Bush repeated his support for Georgia and called on Russia to withdraw its troops from the caukasus-state.
In a short statement before leaving for a two-week holliday in his home-state Texas, Bush called Georgia a brave democracy.

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/zeitung/Titelse...594446#formular

This post has been edited by Devilsadvocate: Aug 15 2008, 01:40 PM

[Omega892R09]

(Translation:)
US-president George W. Bush repeated his support for Georgia and called on Russia to withdraw its troops from the caukasus-state.
In a short statement before leaving for a two-week holliday in his home-state Texas, Bush called Georgia a brave democracy.

This is a sure sign some serious sh*t is about to hit the fan.

Is there a new bunker somewhere in Uraguay (isn't that where the Bushies have been buying up aquafers) called Texas?

And now the US is going to set up missile sites in Poland - now there is a country with a torturous, even byzantine history. Any body recall the story about Germans dressed up in Polish uniforms carrying out a false flag on the Poland-German boarder to usher in WW2? That is the only way that I can see an explanation for any Russian duplicity in Ossetia a re-run along those lines.

[beatles64]

This is a sure sign some serious sh*t is about to hit the fan.

Is there a new bunker somewhere in Uraguay (isn't that where the Bushies have been buying up aquafers) called Texas?

I believe this is located in Paraguay.

[jo56]

Expert on Middle East Talks about Georgia Incident with Alex Jones 8-15-08 and how this too has been planned since at least 2002: (A MUST HEAR!)

Prof. Michel Chossudovsky - University of Ottawa:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

See Video here:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/GatekeeperI...ow-8-15-08.aspx

The Alex Jones Show 8-15-08

NATO Document Dec 2007 "Toward a Grand Strategy for an Uncertain World Renewing Transatlantic Partnership" calls for a preemptive nuclear attack to keep other countries from using nukes (PURE INSANITY):
http://www.csis.org/media/csis/events/0801...nd_strategy.pdf
http://www.watchmanbiblestudy.com/Document...andStrategy.htm