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post Oct 4 2014, 03:41 PM
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Seems there was a fire at Shanksville yesterday. Story in below link. Kenneth Nacke mentions his brother Louis in article:


Here is Ken in a short Memorial video:


This is from link below:

7. Louis Nacke:
Some of the passengers had never planned to be on the flight. Nacke had booked his seat only the night before. Out to dinner with his family, he had a received a phone call from one of his customers who needed help with an inventory problem.


This from 9/11 legacy page


This from San Fran Bay Area tribute:


Based on Louis's bio, he appears to be a perfect candidate to play along with flight 93 script. Why isn't the actual high school in Philly named where Louis graduated? Why is it people like only Ken and Alice Hoagland, supposed mother of supposed passenger Mark Bingham, are the only ones to give interviews? Ken should realize his brother probably was a loser and this was a good opportunity for Louis to take the money and run. $2.3 trillion can be spread many ways.
What kind of stuff from flight 93 was in the buildings that burned? Maybe, just maybe, something that was overlooked and needed to be destroyed. A plausible theory in a plausible denial world of 9/11.
I love reading all the flowery tributes to these passengers on the planes. Makes my eyes water......not smile.gif
Oh well, back to reality hoping my football pool wins for once this weekend.
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post Oct 5 2014, 08:23 AM
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Over 10 years later they can now tell us whatever stories they like.

Here's a video of aircraft destruction in the bone yard, note how flimsy these aluminum
"balloons" are, which supposedly sunk 65 feet into the ground and smashed through
steel and masonry barriers to enter the twin towers completely.
Aircraft destruction in "Bone Yard"
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post Oct 5 2014, 10:16 AM
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When something like this fire is in the news, sometimes it is good to dredge up info that may or not have been discussed in the forum. Here some 93 related items from my Pocket app they may be of interest.

Short articles on 93
(my comments included)

**Flight 93: Forty lives, one destiny**
".........The night before boarding Flight 93, in their hotel rooms, Jarrah would have opened a list of instructions, kept in a notebook that apparently was written by his old friend Atta. (Was Jarrah Mr. Phelps from Mission Impossible... this letter will self-destruct in five seconds...)
It instructed them to bathe, wear cologne, shave excess hair from their bodies and check the knives they carried. (these so called terrorists knew how to dress as they liked wine, women, a little toot and gambling in their spare time here)
"You must make your knife sharps and you must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter," it read. (was this a leftover line from an Arnold Swartzeneger movie?)
"Completely forget something called 'this life.' The time for play is over and the serious time is upon us." -Pittsburg Post-Gazette (10/28/01)

***What Happened on Flight 93?***
"At least one of the four young Middle Eastern men in first class was carrying a knife hidden in a cigarette lighter and also a copy of a letter. (When did BIC start making lighters that large?)
United States Attorney Genernal John Ashcroft said in a news conference: "It is a disturbing and shocking view into the mindset of these terrorists. The letter provides instructions to the terrorists to be carried out both prior and during their terrorist attacks." (don't you think that these so called terrorists would have had the plan down pat after all this time?)
His written instructions said to scream "Allahu Akbar" - Arabic for "God is great" - because this was sure to terrify everyone." - MSNBC (09/03/02)

***'We Have Some Planes':***
"Five seconds later, Jarrah asked, "Is that it? Shall we finish it off?" A hijacker responded, "No. Not yet. When they all come, we finish it off." The sounds of fighting continued outside the cockpit. Again, Jarrah pitched the nose of the aircraft up and down. At 10:00:26, a passenger in the background said, "In the cockpit. If we don't we'll die!" Sixteen seconds later, a passenger yelled, "Roll it!" Jarrah stopped the violent maneuvers at about 10:01:00 and said, "Allah is the greatest! Allah is the greatest!" He then asked another hijacker in the cock-pit, "Is that it? I mean, shall we put it down?" to which the other replied, "Yes, put it in it, and pull it down."
The passengers continued their assault and at 10:02:23, a hijacker said, "Pull it down! Pull it down!" The hijackers remained at the controls but must have judged that the passengers were only seconds from overcoming them. The airplane headed down; the control wheel was turned hard to the right. The airplane rolled onto its back, and one of the hijackers began shouting "Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest." ( no human could be seated going 500+ mph upside down yelling. More like losing his lunch and who knows what else). With the sounds of the passenger counterattack continuing, (yep, everyone is upside down but able to charge the cockpit) the aircraft plowed into an empty field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 580 miles per hour, about 20 minutes' flying time from Washington, D.C. --9/11 Commission
(And the Best Original Script goes to Philip Zelikow)

My view:
No one from flight 93 ever applied for $$ from Victims Compensation Fund and only six are in the Social Security Death Index. You would think someone like Louis Nacke's wife would want compensated. It would have helped offset the cost of the wine and food at the 9/16/01 family gathering at the restaurant mentioned in article in link. Was Alice Hoagland, Lisa Beamer and Deena Burnett at this function? Barbara Olson couldn't make it as she was recovering from plastic surgery (how great it would be if in fact Lady Evelyn Booth-Olson is actually Barbara Olson. Always keep that in the back if your mind) Was anyone actually a real person with a verifiable past on flight 93 before 9/11? Did you know that Mark Bingham and Todd Beamer went to the same high school (Los Gatos in northern CA) and they overlapped for one year?

From Houston Chronicle:
"The FBI has turned down family requests that it release the cockpit voice recording from an airliner hijacked on Sept. 11 that crashed in a Pennsylvania field, saying the horror captured on the tape would do little to assuage their grief.
"(FBI) Director (Robert) Mueller has personally listened to the recording from the hijacked flight and advised that the FBI will not be releasing the tape at this time," an FBI spokesman said in a letter to U.S. Rep. Ellen Tauscher.
"While we empathize with the grieving families, we do not believe that the horror captured on the cockpit voice recording will console them in any way," the spokesman said. (how do you console someone who may never have existed?)
Tauscher, a California Democrat, had written to the FBI on behalf of Deena Burnett, whose husband Thomas was among those aboard the plane when it was hijacked on Sept. 11.
Unlike three other passenger jets hijacked that day that crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, United Flight 93 crashed into a field in Pennsylvania, apparently brought down amid a passenger revolt against the hijackers." -Houston Chronicle/Reuters (12/20/01)
(Now you see why the NFL hired Mueller to investigate the Ray Rice video tape controversy. He has experience with tapes...)smile.gif

From another researcher:
"....According to the official story of the 9/11/2001 terrorist attacks, Todd Beamer and Mark Bingham fought terrorists on United Airlines Flight 93 and forced that plane to crash in Pennsylvania.
However, I have discovered that United 93 is not the only connection between Beamer and Bingham.
First of all, Beamer and Bingham went to high school together. Specifically, they attended Los Gatos High School in Los Gatos, a town in northern California.
Mark Bingham attended Los Gatos High School for 4 years, from 1984 to 1988.
Todd Beamer attended Los Gatos High School during the 1986-1987 school year, which was his senior year.
So, for 1 year, Beamer and Bingham went to high school together.
Todd Beamer and Mark Bingham are also connected via the business world.
Specifically, they are both connected to a man named Eric Benhamou.
Mark Bingham graduated from college in 1993, and his own company opened for business in 1999. For some period of time between the 1993 graduation and the 1999 opening, Bingham worked for 3Com Corporation.
The CEO of 3Com from September 1990 to December 31, 2000, was Eric Benhamou.
Thus, Benhamou was the CEO during Mark Bingham's employment at 3Com.
Now, did Benhamou and Bingham know each other personally? Well, if you look at the news database Factiva (available at public libraries), you will find two 3Com press releases, one from September 2, 1999, and the other from October 11, 1999. These press releases appeared in the publication known as Business Wire. If you look at the bottom of each press release, you will see Mark Bingham's name and phone number listed in the "contact" section. So, Bingham was a press secretary for 3Com, just as Tony Snow was the press secretary of the White House. So, just as we are sure that Tony Snow personally knew the people in charge of the White House (Bush, Cheney, etc.), we can be sure that Bingham personally knew Benhamou.
In addition to working for 3Com, Mr. Benhamou was a member of the Board of Directors of the company known as Legato Systems.
Benhamou was appointed to Legato's Board of Directors in 1993.
Benhamou was on Legato's Board as late as September 2001.'
David Beamer, Todd Beamer's father, was appointed Legato Systems's executive vice president of worldwide sales in January 2001.
David Beamer was appointed chief operating officer (COO) of Legato Systems in February 2002.
Thus, David Beamer and Eric Benhamou worked at Legato at the same time for at least 9 months (from January 2001 to September 2001).
Furthermore, during those 9 months, Benhamou had the high rank of member of the Board of Directors, and David Beamer had the high rank of executive vice president of worldwide sales. Thus, it is very probable that Eric Benhamou and David Beamer knew each other personally.
So, Eric Benhamou worked with Mark Bingham and with David Beamer, Todd's father.
Also, Mr. Benhamou has many ties to Israel.
There is another passenger from United Airlines Flight 93 that should be noted, and that is Nicole Miller. At the time of 9/11, Nicole was a student at West Valley College in northern California. Alice Hoglan, Mark Bingham's mother, was also a student at West Valley College at the time of 9/11. [10]
So, Todd Beamer has ties to Mark Bingham, and Mark Bingham has ties to Nicole Miller.

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post Oct 7 2014, 10:36 PM
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You bring up a lot of good points and material Truth.

QUOTE (Truthissweet @ Oct 5 2014, 09:16 AM) *
My view:
No one from flight 93 ever applied for $$ from Victims Compensation Fund and only six are in the Social Security Death Index.

I think you meant to say "no relative of the flight 93 passengers applied for ..."

Barbara Olson couldn't make it as she was recovering from plastic surgery (how great it would be if in fact Lady Evelyn Booth-Olson is actually Barbara Olson. Always keep that in the back if your mind)

Barb Olson is a puzzle for sure. Someone so close to big names, including her husband and Bush (getting him elected etc.).
But I did a very close study of Barb and Lady Booth a while back and made a 100% positive determination they are different people. You can change your skin with surgery, but it's much more difficult to change collar bones, fingers etc.

Was anyone actually a real person with a verifiable past on flight 93 before 9/11? Did you know that Mark Bingham and Todd Beamer went to the same high school (Los Gatos in northern CA) and they overlapped for one year?

This is a good question. What disappoints me is the almost complete lack of boots-on-the-ground investigating by home-grown Americans who live near these 'victims'.
How much effort would it take to check up on their friends and families?

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post Oct 8 2014, 10:32 AM
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Pick on Todd Beamer Day smile.gif
If below info has already been discussed on the forum, I apologize for not seeing it in other threads. But it is good to bring it up again.

(This article could have been also titled, Todd E. Beamer vs. Todd M. Beamer of 93. Very interesting read)

"Story of Flight 93 hero rekindles memory of one man's own loss"
Story by: Troy Foster

Todd Evans Beamer 1968-1997

Sept. 11, 2002 A year ago today, Dr. Leland "Bud" Beamer's thoughts were with his late son, Todd.
Sept. 11 marked his birthday, and Bud woke up knowing Todd would be turning 33 if a tragic accident hadn't claimed his life four years earlier.
But as every American soon found his or her way to their radios and TVs, Bud's attention naturally turned to the national tragedy unfolding and momentarily away from his son's birthday.
Yet, the story of another Todd Beamer -- one of several passengers on Flight 93 who stormed the cockpit of their hijacked plane and undoubtedly saved many more lives through their struggle with the terrorists -- would soon captivate the family physician's interest and rekindle the feelings of courage, sacrifice and sadness associated with the death of his own Todd Beamer.
"This Sept. 11 thing has really added another dimension to it," Bud says.
Two days after Sept. 11, Bud was watching CNN as a list of victims aboard the United Airlines flight that crashed into a Pennsylvania field scrolled across the bottom of the screen.
"All of a sudden Todd Beamer comes across and I thought, `What in the world?,'" Bud says. "It was kind of an incredulous feeling. Just to see it was emotional."
Bud instantly was drawn to the story of Todd Morgan Beamer, whose life and heroic story carried an uncanny resemblance to the life of Todd Evans Beamer, his son.
If alive today, both men would be the same age -- their birthday's just a few months apart with Todd E. Beamer's on the day of Todd M. Beamer's passing.
They were the athletic sort, both standing above six feet. Todd E. Beamer quarterbacked one of Madras High School's most remembered football teams to the state playoffs in 1986. In basketball, he helped the school to a league championship. His athletic skill took him to Eastern Oregon College, where he became the starting quarterback for the Mountaineers.
Todd M. Beamer also was blessed with athleticism. He was fond of basketball and baseball, playing both at Wheaton College in Illinois.
"There are so many similarities, even in their smiles," Bud says.
"It brings the name back, and all the feelings."
Both young men also were known for their sayings. Students of Todd E. Beamer, who taught physical education at Neah-Kah-Nie High School near Tillamook during the last years of his life, recalled that he often told them they needed "PMA," or positive mental attitude in their life. Todd M. Beamer, a software accounts manager from Cranbury, N.J., had a pet saying, too. "Let's roll," he'd say to his children when it was time to get into the car, put on their shoes, or get moving.
The latter's saying was his last known words, spoken to a GTE-Verizon operator as he and others aboard his flight left their seats in a heroic attempt to overpower their hijackers and regain control of their plane. The two words have since become the battle cry of the nation in its war on terrorism.
Out of Todd Morgan Beamer's story, Bud is constantly reminded of his own son's legacy of character, courage and the inspiration he provided to others.
Todd Evans Beamer drowned June 7, 1997, in an irrigation canal. He had taken the family's five dogs with him out to an irrigation ditch road for a 12-mile jog but never returned.
His body was found in the North Unit Irrigation District siphon that runs across the Willow Creek Canyon three days later. Four dogs also were found drowned, and it is believed that Beamer, the strong swimmer that he was, had jumped into the canal to rescue one or more of them.
Todd E. Beamer had returned home for his sister's graduation ceremony. The day Todd M. Beamer died, he also was headed home to be with his family.(my note: he was going to SF)
Both gave their lives trying to help others. Todd M. Beamer jumped the terrorists in an attempt to save his fellow passengers. Todd E. Beamer sacrificed his life trying to save his beloved dogs, who were like children to the Beamer family. One of them, a German Shepard named Sly, survived and is still with the family today.
Todd M. Beamer's story has become the most well known of those aboard Flight 93, and his family has been thrust into the spotlight for their perseverance and resolve in the face of tragedy.
Todd M. Beamer's wife, Lisa, a fixture on TV talk shows, has released a book appropriately titled, "Let's Roll!" His father, likewise, has participated in nationwide speaking engagements.
Through his son's memory, Bud shares his grief with the other Beamer family.
"There's a lot of things you connect with," Bud says. "And this Sept. 11 thing intensifies it on a personal level.
"It's mostly that another family has lost a Todd Beamer."
Recently, Bud wrote a letter to Todd M. Beamer's father, David, and enclosed a picture of his own son.
"I hope some day to meet with him when things settle down and share what we have in common," Bud says, which includes a strong sense of faith.
Bud and his wife, Beth Ann, recently moved to a new home out at the end of Elm Drive that overlooks Lake Simtustis and an area of carefully planted flowers that they named Todd Beamer Memorial Park. Their home is decorated with Eagle sculptures and paintings -- a motif in memory of the father's late son.
"Todd represents the strength of an eagle to us," Bud says. Often, he adds, they see bald eagles out their window over the canyon, and wonder if Todd is keeping an eye on them.
The eagle, a symbol of American pride, also fits Todd in a special way. "There wasn't a kid that was more patriotic," Bud says.
Each year on July 4, the day of this nation's birth, local residents participate in the Todd Beamer Memorial Run, and the entry-fee goes toward an endowment that funds an annual scholarship awarded to a young Madras athlete who shows passion and commitment to his or her team.
Todd Morgan Beamer has left a legacy in his death as well. Shortly after Sept. 11, his wife created The Todd Beamer Foundation to raise money for children who face trauma in their lives.
Bud prays for the family of Todd Morgan Beamer, and he feels a unique connection with them although they have never met.
He identifies with the strength they exude in public and knows there's an internal struggle they don't always let out into the open.
"She puts a veneer on it like all of us do," Bud says of Lisa Beamer. "And that family has a lot to do ahead of them."
Today, like every day, Bud's thoughts will be with Todd on what would have been his 34th birthday. His thoughts also will be with the family of Todd Morgan Beamer and the countless others who continue to grieve because of 9/11.
"So many mothers and fathers, husbands and wives and kids lost someone," Bud says.
"Our thoughts will be beyond ourselves for sure."
The Spirit Lives On - In Our Hearts Forever

......Lets see, Todd E.'s birthday is on 9/11. Todd M. 'dies' on 9/11. They are the same age. I took three stats courses in college and I don't believe I remember a stat formula to figure out the odds of the above story. They both stand above six feet and both played sports in college. How many people like Todd E take their dogs with them.....for a TWELVE mile jog? Who is Dr. Leland Bud Beamer and does he have any connections with 911? The above article keeps up the strong religious and patriotic mumbo jumbo as in other tributes and articles of those supposedly dead.
How about this for a conspiracy theory : they are one and the same. Todd E 'passes on' and Todd M takes over. Todd M and Lisa Beamer have two kids within the 6/7/97 death of Todd E and 911. The kids ages fit parameters above. After 911, there is no 'official' Todd M and Todd E.
16 days before 911, Todd M and Lisa payoff mortgage on $700k house they bought on 7/20/00 house in one huge lump sum. How many 33 year-old couples can do that? 13 days before 911, Todd Beamer's obit is already written to be included on CNN Memorial site sometime after 911. (exif reader used on CNN pictures!:) Fast forward to a couple years ago. Lisa Beamer purchases a house for $1.99 million and she did not apply for Victims Compensation Funds. She then gets remarried but no one knows just who she married. Maybe she married Claude Rains. If Ted Olson can marry Lady Evelyn Booth(no one can find out anything about her legal career from supposed 1987 graduation from Georgetown to 911) who in my opinion could be Barbara Olson after plastic surgery, then it stands to reason that Lisa Beamer could have married Todd E or M again or she married someone involved in 911 to 'protect' her in case things get too intense from people like us. (I am looking for pictures of Todd E at this time to compare with Todd M). I put nothing past the script writers of 911 in developing story lines. I wonder if any daytime soap writers were involved in 911?
I am fixated at this juncture of my 911 research in story lines that do not involve plane crashes or building collapses. I really think 911 can be solved by reading between the lines of the passengers and airline personnel and key non-government people involved in 911. All it takes is to prove someone (excluding so-called terrorists) listed as dying on 911 turning out to be alive. And then the house of 911 cards falls in free fall speed.
Todd M could fall under #8 below

(From LetsRoll forum)
*Types of fake terror victims on 911*

1. Complete fakes- Operation Northwoods style total fictions

2. Fake relatives of operatives- made up aliases, added to the "family" of spooks and insiders, so that the "spook relatives" can play roles conducive to backing up the lie

3. Real people, spooks reassigned- deep cover agents, put on the list to neatly end their service or specific assignment, with no trail or loose ends

4. Real people, connected, reassigned- people connected to the network, wishing to start over, disappear, for various reasons

5. Real people, in trouble, voluntarily reassigned- real people who were at risk of prosecution, who escaped by joining the victims list

6. Real people, in trouble, coerced, reassigned- real people offered a "deal" to avoid prosecution, by aiding in the victims fraud

7. Real people, connected, terminally ill- instead of just dying, why not be a 911 hero, setting up your family to use it to further you favorite cause, political or otherwise.

8. Real people, long dead- like the fake identity creators, borrow the identity of someone long dead, resurrect them to die again as a victim, with or without cooperation of family members

9. Real people, intentionally murdered- beforehand, included on the list to cover it up

10. Real people, intentionally murdered- sacrificed during the demolition

11. Real people, accidental victims- unintended collateral damage

Either Todd E and Todd M are actually two different people or 911 scriptwriters used Todd E's death to create Todd M to include Lisa and kids.

(from LetsRoll forum)
*The Not-So-Poor Widow Beamer*
".....Todd Beamer's memorial service was held on 09/16/01 at the Princeton Alliance Church in Plainsboro, New Jersey. Todd Beamer's wife, Lisa Beamer, a grieving mother of two and four months pregnant with her third child, registers TODDBEAMER.ORG four days later on 09/20/01, incorporates The Todd M. Beamer Memorial Foundation eight days later on 9/24/01 and then applies for the trademark "Let's Roll" ten days later on 9/26/01. Instead of acting like a wife and mother who should be experiencing untold grief, shock, and loss, her behavior turns a catastrophic personal tragedy into a cold and calculating cheap publicity stunt......."

Deena Burnett remarried to Rodney Bailey in 2006. Some info on Tom Burnett.

Here we go. First is a link to Todd E:

Now a link to Todd M:

Those that have analyzed Todd E picture feel Todd's left nostril shows signs of photoshopping.

All of the above is food for thought. Enjoy.

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post Oct 8 2014, 03:10 PM
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A couple extra Beamer notes:

Dr Beamer had a little run-in with the law last year:




Note in the above link that Bud purchased his 180 acre ranch after Todd E died. Was it before or after 911? If there is a link between the two Todd's, quite possibly Leland was 'compensated' knowing Todd E was to become Todd M. Either that or I am an idiot for even considering this Todd conspiracy. I am sure Dr. Beamer made a good living and may well have purchased lot with his own funds. But you never know.

Todd M timeline. Note whoever did this had them getting married before engagement. Could be an honest mistake.


On the other hand.......
Carella Ross had this to say about Todd M: (she definitely speaks her mind) (thanks to LetsRoll forum)


I want to see OReilly have her on as a guest smile.gif. (...what kind of NAME is Carella?... sounds like you had hippy POT smoking parents who lived in a commune who avoided the draft and have made America the liberal mess it is TODAY!....on tomorrow nights show Gov. Sarah Palin discusses her new book, 'Pi r squared...No they're round: My American Education'....)

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post Oct 25 2014, 08:03 AM
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What was lost at Shanksville fire from AP article. This fire was on purpose, IMHO! A boarding pass, airport parking receipt and passenger ID cards among items lost. This whole thing smacks of what I mentioned in opening post of thread.
By the way, there is no marriage record to be found for Todd Beamer and one Lisa Brosius.

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post Oct 25 2014, 10:38 AM
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Not quite off-topic, but if a movie were to be remade in relation to 911, this is a possibility. Most are familiar with movie and its implications. While watching 12 minute clip, keep in mind plane passengers and possible pilots that assume aliases after 911. Imagine Chick Burlingame, Jeff Dahl and passenger William Caswell when watching this.

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QUOTE (Truthissweet @ Oct 25 2014, 09:38 AM) *
... While watching 12 minute clip, keep in mind plane passengers and possible pilots that assume aliases after 911. Imagine Chick Burlingame, Jeff Dahl and passenger William Caswell when watching this.


Thanks for the movie link Truthis. I hadn't seen the movie before. The clip was interesting.

I must say however that we have a different situation with 9/11.
We are dealing with perps who have no respect at all for human life.

Witness the thousands in total who were murdered in New York and Washington.

If you were a perp planning the operation, and you have already killed thousands (or will be killing thousands) do you really think it would be wise to allow a few dozen 'passengers' to roam freely on the planet and risk them spilling the beans if they ever had a change of heart?

Think about it.

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