The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]


Some people who may be reading this may wonder what the heck it's about. Some who have followed through the whole thread (3 pages in) may even wonder what exactly it's about. Allow me to elaborate.

Dragon blood-line just means royal blood-line. That's all it is. I use the term dragon because THEY use the word dragon. They use the word dragon because the dragon is a symbol of royalty, ubiquitous in family crests of nobility and in myths and legends dating back to antiquity. The Egyptian pharoahs wore headresses that incorporated the cobra and were annointed with the fat of a crocodile (a practice likely originating in Sumer). The pagan-leaning Tribe of Dan carried the image of a serpent on their banner. The Merovingians claimed to be descended from a half sea-serpent, the Vikings carved the head of a dragon into the bow of their ships, the City of London displays two dragons on it's city Coat of Arms. St. George slayed a dragon, Arthur was a Pendragon, the list goes on and on.

We find the most conspicuous proliferation of dragon-myths in ancient Greece, myths which describe (in code) conflicts, alliances, migrations and blendings of tribes. This is easily understood when one realizes that two major branches of this "tree"; the spread of which was assured through superior ship-building, architectural & agricultural advances, war waging and weapon forging expertise combined with a cohent pagan belief system connected to advanced astrological knowlege; clashed in the Greek theater. One of these major branches had come to populate the fertile lands around the Black Sea, another had migrated to the Aegean (Greece and surrounding areas) and the Levant from Egypt.

(Or so it appears. That's the best general picture I can muster at the moment.)

Did the average-Joe in Greece know that the peoples in the region all shared common roots? Probably not, but their rulers and myth-writers did, as expressed in the dragons and allegories that appeared in the legends which described their histories - the twin snakes of the staff of Caduceus being a perfect example.

This is why the movie Zeitgeist must resort to exaggeration and questionable sources to make its point. Because, while the film is barking up the right tree, it is looking at one spot (albeit an important one) on one of two branches.

I became interested in this because of all the vague referrences connecting the so-called ruling elite and modern banking industry to groups like the Templars, Masons, Rosicrucians, etc. I wanted to know why a pyramid with an all-seeing eye was printed on the back of our dollar bill. I wanted to know if the so-called Illuminati existed and what it was, I wanted to know why the "Cremation of Care" was performed at Bohemian Grove every summer. And though I didn't know it at the time, I would have wanted to know why Masonic lodges are now openly sponsoring "CHIP" programs in the US to fingerprint and get teeth impressions and DNA samples from children.

The "dragon blood-line" goes a long way toward answering those questions, and provides a backdrop to understand the connections between all of these various elitist groups, orders and secret societies, both logistical and philosophical. It does more - it connects them all to royal clans and dynasties going back centuries (or millenium). It may be hard to wrap one's mind around, but the "philosophical" aspect, i.e. the pagan foundation from which this multi-branched dragon-heritage extends explains perfectly how US leaders, both corporate and political, could be involved in a plan to murder 3000 US citizens. "Order out of Chaos" is indeed their motto, blood-sacrifice is a time honored tradition, and the concept of a bee-like society, where the worker bees live out their lives serving privledged royals, is primary. Not only is the factual story of Napoleon sewing hundreds of golden bees that were found buried with the body of the Merovingian king Clovis into his robe interesting, bees played a part in the legends of Samson ... and, represent an important branch of the royal blood-line ... one that produced kings of Bavaria, the Rothschilds (formerly Bauers), and the (Bavarian) Bayer family of Nazi-gas and aspirin fame. (The "Buzi" line from Thrace, which I haven't yet delved into).

Call me crazy for thinking that the twin towers in some way represent the pillars of Dagon, which Samson pulled down, but Samson (and various "Sam" names (Kybele cult hot-spot Samothrace etc.) of locals and peoples who his biblical coded name honors or derives from) along with his mirror image in Greek myths Herakles, is (are) the most revered figure(s) among the dragon-elite. The Merovingians even had a Samson or two (and an obsession with bees). And where do you think "Uncle Sam" comes from? Think I'm kidding? I could be mistaken, but I'm not kidding actually. But I speak too much of bees ... the biblical bees infested the carcass of the lion that Samson killed. The lion that is included in half of the family crests of European and British royalty ... just look at the British passport.

The lion displayed on the British Coat of Arms is undoubtedly a Jewish symbol, it was displayed on the banner of the tribe of Judah. ...ah, should we remember that the lion is an African animal? (Sphinx anyone?)

Ultimately it's not about Jew or Christian IMO, it's about a royal blood-line, which predates Judaeism and Christianity entirely. That makes this so very interesting (and so hard to find reliable info - forgive some mistakes & some bad guesses, I'm trying to correct them as I go (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ).

Do you have the same questions as me? I'm sorry to say, I think you gotta go back five thousand years to really get the whole story.

That's what this thread is about.

[ungari]

I just wanted to point out that the hexagram predates Solomon and David, and is actually a symbol found in the occult religions of Sumerian-Chaldean-Babylonia, India, and Egypt.

There is a report I read says that some Jews objected to the Mogen David being used on the modern Isreali state flag, but it was the Rothchilds that insisted on this design.
Another report stated that the original logo of the Red Shield had a red hexagram on it, however this is debated.

[CocaineImportAge...]

We find the most conspicuous proliferation of dragon-myths in ancient Greece

...Tsarion suggests that all Greek Mythology stems from the Egyptians.... hence The Dragon is just a continuance of The Serpent... if i remember rightly!?... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

...also, just to add a minor query!... Tsarion!... does not sound too Irish to me!... could it be a reference to Orion!?.... star i on!?!.... Ts arion!?!

...Wiki` Arion page

...but i think Micheal may be using a bit of subliminal messaging of his own!....Arion, Lord of Atlantis... check out some of the symbolism hidden in those front covers!

Call me crazy for thinking that the twin towers in some way represent the pillars of Dagon, which Samson pulled down

...well... if life `aint complicated enough already!?.... watch this Sanders!

...The 911 Stargate


...the more i look!... the more i think the Towers were built to be destroyed!

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[ungari]

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Dragon blood-line just means royal blood-line. That's all it is. ...
That's what this thread is about....
It's not about Jew or Christian. It's about a royal blood-line, which predates Judaeism and Christianity entirely.

Judeo-Christian scriptures state that God and the Angels including Satan, pre-date mankind.
What about the Dragon as a depiction of a pagan deity, and in the Judeo-Christian scriptures, Satan the Devil?
Would you be willing to consider this in light of the fact that every one of these secret societies these people belong to, are satanic or "Luciferian" in origin?

This post has been edited by ungari: Sep 1 2008, 11:51 AM

[Sanders]

I just wanted to point out that the hexagram predates Solomon and David, and is actually a symbol found in the occult religions of Sumerian-Chaldean-Babylonia, India, and Egypt.

Yes. And Sumer traded with the Indus Valley - they found lots of clay import-export seals in both locations.

There is a report I read says that some Jews objected to the Mogen David being used on the modern Isreali state flag, but it was the Rothchilds that insisted on this design.
Another report stated that the original logo of the Red Shield had a red hexagram on it, however this is debated.

I've heard that too. (Dunnoh - I've kept my eye out for confirmation of the Red-Shield rumor for some time, but haven't run across it.)

Judeo-Christian scriptures state that God and the Angels including Satan, pre-date mankind.
What about the Dragon as a depiction of a pagan deity, and in the Judeo-Christian scriptures, Satan the Devil?

Well yes, the dragon is most definitely pagan, in fact the ancient Sumerians placed Draco the dragon at true polar north, where it rules over the other constellations. Not sure what to say about the rest of that, other than to note that the Ladon dragon guarded a grove of golden apples while the serpent in Eden guarded the forbidden fruit, surely a correllation there. What are your thoughts?

Would you be willing to consider this in light of the fact that every one of these secret societies these people belong to, are satanic or "Luciferian" in origin?

Not sure if you are specifically talking to me, but yes, I consider all this in that light. If I may speak frankly though, there are a lot of people out there interpreting these things in biblical terms. So I leave it to them to sort that out. The author of Ladon-Gog, "John", sees all this in a religious context, he's very religious and has no compunction about identifying good-guys and bad-guys so to speak. He's also been researching this for a long time, knows his Greek mythology, and has gotten very good at unravelling what the myth writers thought they were concealing. It's very exciting, because thanks to people like him and the availability of the internet as a research tool, certain things that have remained hidden and disguised are coming to light maybe for the first time in thousands of years (?). The Kabbalah-Kybele connection being one of them.

I posted about this earlier in the thread (The Cybele cult part is in the 2nd half). Kybele, or Cybele, was the great mother god of Phrygia, consort of Attis, and inspired the cults (Curetes, Corybantes, etc. - all related) that worshipped her in Greece. This is all tied in to child sacrifice by the way. John apparently searched for surnames connected to "Kabeiri" (yet another word describing cult of Cybele folks) and came up with a list of names, some that resembled Caballo or Cavallo (horse in Latin) - which seemed like a dead end until he read that those names were based on knight servitude. I can't explain it, you have to plow through it, but the Kybele/Kabbalah connection is there. http://www.tribwatch.com/sheba.htm

As for satan and lucifer, lucifer also means Venus. If you look up the word, usually the second meaning listed is Venus, the morning star or harbinger of the rising sun - hence "Illuminati". The word "satanic" on the other hand pointed to Saturn, (Chonos in Greek). Satan's association with the devil and all that came later. Maybe the writers of the bible were trying to say that those who worshipped Saturn were evil? And maybe as you suggest, this is the basis for the symbol of the dragon getting a bad name. We do know that the Tribe of Dan changed their banner, from a serpent to the slayer of serpents - the eagle.

I certainly consider the sacrificing of children "satanic". The Phoenicians and Ammonites apparently built a brass figure with outstreched hands and the head of a bull (representing Moloch), heating it with a fire from below. The sacrifice ritual was apparently a loud, wild affair (to drown out the cries of the infant?). The legend of the infant Zeus tells how two "Curetes" (the Curetes of Greece worshipped Cybele), banged their shields together to hide the cries of Zeus from his child-eating father (Chronos/Saturn). The similarities between the myth and the practice are just too close to be coincidence.

]...Tsarion suggests that all Greek Mythology stems from the Egyptians.... hence The Dragon is just a continuance of The Serpent... if i remember rightly!?... dunno.gif

I never read that exactly, but that sounds like Tsarion. It seems too simple and pat to me to give so much credit to Egypt though, I really think there were two major branches, and that this is what many of the myths and the two snakes of the staff of Caduceus are describing. The two being Egyptians, and Apollo's "wolf" peoples from the Black Sea region. Whether the later were just a simple case of the "dragon" slithering up there from Mesopotamia, or "Hyperboreans" (indigenous Russians) from farther north meeting Sumerian culture halfway-in-between (i.e. Scythia, the Caucasus, etc.) is probably an unsolvable mystery. Remember that some amazing and very ancient burial sites have been discovered in Asia, and several tablets in Romania that may predate the Sumerian Cuneiform tablets. So I lean toward the later. But this "Gogi" or Black Sea branch has to be considered separate from the Egyption one IMO, even if there was some trading and communication between them. I'm out of my depth here - I guess what I'm saying is that, even while Egyptian influence on the Greeks was ubiquitous, I think even Tsarion would have to agree that the Greek myths were more about the peoples/cultures that clashed in the region (peoples from Egypt being among them).

...also, just to add a minor query!... Tsarion!... does not sound too Irish to me!... could it be a reference to Orion!?.... star i on!?!.... Ts arion!?!

...Wiki` Arion page

...but i think Micheal may be using a bit of subliminal messaging of his own!....Arion, Lord of Atlantis... check out some of the symbolism hidden in those front covers!

Holy granola ! Well, who can say, Tsarion does seem to be a bit too kind to the "dragon" sometimes. That Arion link has my head spinning though. (!!!) Osiris ties to Orion, and also Dionysis. And Dionysis is also tied in with the Curetes and cult of Cybele - which makes sense because he is the "god of wine, the inspirer of ritual madness and ecstasy" (Wiki). Then you have the connection of "missing genitals" between the Galli priests (Cybele cult), Attis and Osiris. And sacrifices being made to an idol with the head of a bull - and Taurus being in Orion. And the pyramids at Giza modelled after the 3 stars in Orions belt. And we know Osiris is central to Freemasonry via the figure of Hiram Abiff. Have I left anything out? (I'm sure I have!)

I see the connections, but I'm at a loss as to what it all really means. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif) If someone could really connect all those dots, that'd be something.

[CocaineImportAge...]

...just a link for reference!

...Watch Unto Prayer

...lots of interesting reading here!... but then you may have stumbled on it already!?

[Sanders]

...just a link for reference!

...Watch Unto Prayer

...lots of interesting reading here!... but then you may have stumbled on it already!?

I found something interesting in there ...

Masonic sources state that the Templar “Skull & Crossbones” symbolize the missing head and legs of Orion, which is further evidence that their veneration of the beheaded John the Baptist is actually the worship of Orion and analogous pre-flood deities, and ultimately Sun worship.

“The omission of Orion's head and legs in the constellation of Orion, illustrated above, is immediately noticeable. It would seem that Orion has had his legs and his head chopped off!
“A similar practice was observed by the Knights Templar five and a half thousand years later when they were buried. By adopting this practice the deceased Knights Templar became as one with Orion and, by implication, Osiris. The ‘skull and crossbones’ … Orion's missing head and legs…were also adopted by the Knights Templar as their emblem, their symbol of recognition.
“As we shall soon discover, the severed head of Orion is in fact the Sun. Moreover it is the headless Orion which is the source of legends about severed heads.” (903, Ch. 9)

[Sanders]

Can anyone guess how these are connected?

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[CocaineImportAge...]

..Sanders!.. i am not familiar with the top left image or the bottom middle!?.... some clarification would be helpful to me and maybe others!?... thanks!



EDIT: ...still been thinking about the "Tsarion" thing!.... what about the Ts as reference to the Theosophical Soc`... and as mentioned before.... Arion the God of Atlantis!?!... what do you think?

EDIT: just remembered the first image!.... Monopoly!

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[Sanders]

EDIT: ...still been thinking about the "Tsarion" thing!.... what about the Ts as reference to the Theosophical Soc`... and as mentioned before.... Arion the God of Atlantis!?!... what do you think?

What do I think? I think it's probably just his name. If he made it up, I imagine it was for his own personal gratification and you're probably on the right track with it being some word-play using "Arion". I really don't know.

..Sanders!.. i am not familiar with the top left image or the bottom middle!?.... some clarification would be helpful to me and maybe others!?... thanks!

From top left, clockwise: Characterization of J. P. Morgan from the Monopoly game; flag of Jamaica; Morgan Rum; alleged head of John the Baptist; Skull and Bones' symbol.

[dMz]

Can anyone guess how these are connected?

I'll bite. That colonial "triangle trade" that I actually did learn about in high school- my teacher must not have been in that meeting (DDDOA). [Note the familiar triangle and skull symbolism here- I'll go with posts #22 and 30 above here]

EDIT: The vertices of the "triangle" involved slaves (W Africa), sugar (Carribbean), and rum (Boston/NY) IIRC. Also let's not forget that semi-archaic word "privateer."

[Sanders]

Yep, you basically got it, dMole.

There isn't any geometric "triangle/crossbones" thing going on I don't think, but Henry Morgan was a pirate - or, "buccaneer" as he and his gang of thugs were called. They had license to pillage in the Caribbean as a result of English hostilities with Spain. Henry Morgan was not only a "licensed" pirate, he was knighted for being such a good one. Anyway, he served as Lieutenant Governor and then Governor of Jamaica where he and his privateers came to be based.

After I had done some poking around into the real history of the Scottish flag, or the saltire Cross of Andrew to be specific, I happened to see the Jamaican flag somewhere and, knowing about Henry Morgan's exploits and connection to the island colony, immediately saw the saltire "X" for what it was - a pirate symbol.

One of the theories behind the skull and crossbones as related to the Templar knights (and associated nowadays with pirates) is that the skull represents the head of John the Baptist ... which is why I included that as well. Remember, John the Baptist was known as the "Great Nazar", and Nazar may represent his being of the royal "dragon" line - the term Nazar is similar to words in other languages that meant serpent or dragon. There have been a few alleged skulls of John the Baptist that have popped up in the cronicles of history, but the most well known is one was allegedly brought back from the holy land (or Constantinople) and placed in the Templar-built church of Notre Dame d'Amiens in France. What makes this intriquing is that St. Andrew, who the cross of St. Andrew is named for (even though he was actually made patron saint of Scotland more in honor of King Andrew of Hungary - which I explored in the posts about princess Margaret), was originally the biblical disciple of John the Baptist. To put it simply, Andrew was a disciple of John the Baptist, John lost his head to Herod, Andrew was crucified on a saltire ("X" shaped) cross - the two are immortalised, for whatever reason, in the skull and crossbones which became intimately tied to the Templars, and by later association with pirates. There is another version that ties the skull and crossbones to Roger II of Sicily and from where we get the term the "Jolly Roger", which I explained earlier, but Roger was closely related to several crusader kings of Jerusalem and may have been a Templar himself, so that (quite bizarre) tale is not in conflict with this interpretation really, it's just another myth that popped up along the way.

Now, if you look at the history of Jamaica, it became an important port in the slave trade for about a century and a half beginning around the time of Henry Morgan, along the "triangle trade" route. It was actually a "seasoning" stop, where slaves would be nursed back to health and seasoned, or, their spirits "broken", before sale in the colonies. THAT made me remember George Peabody...

Early in the 19th century there were two very significant American entrepreneurs that had offices in London and did business with the Rothschilds - Alexander Brown who's London branch was called Brown, Shipley and Co., and George Peabody. Brown's US company would eventually combine with E. H. Harriman’s railroad empire to become the powerful financier Brown Brothers Harriman, and E. H. Harriman’s son Averell and his partner Prescott Bush (grandfather of the current president) were, as you know, prominant members of the Skull and Bones fraternity. George Peabody on the other hand, had no sons and turned his company over to his apprentice, Junius Morgan, who's son J. P . Morgan would become the most powerful banker in the US. By the way, there have been plenty of "bonesmen" who have worked in Morgan banking firms. Anyway, both of these companies, George Peabody & Co. and Brown Shipley & Co., were into the slave trade among other things.

J.P. Morgan was not a direct descendant of Sir Henry Morgan the buccaneer, but both branches of the family trace back to Wales and England where the Morgans were a very prominant family. According to this, one Morgan was a bastard son of Henry II.

Looking into this I of course had to check the Morgan family crest - and to my surprise, it's color scheme is green and gold. http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=&s=morgan

... just like the colors of the Jamaican flag! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif)


I just though all of that was really interesting. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[dMz]

Let's take a short intermission here to mention "disappeared" anti-mason William Morgan of NY and his attempted? book Illustrations of Masonry. I don't find it entirely un-related IMHO.

Here's one of the more "neutral" links on Morgan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_(anti-Mason)

[Sanders]

Yeah, he's definitely one of the Welsh Morgans. There was also a Henry Morgan in the 17th century who was involved in the Gunpowder Plot and executed for his crimes. It used to throw me a little when I ran across defectors, inter-tribal disputes and wars, etc. I've gotten used to it. (Real life is complicated!)

On a related note, this is a very old (pre-dating heraldry) wood carving of St. Andrew. People who haven't read this whole thread might not quite understand the significance of this, but check out the Boar!!! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)


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[CocaineImportAge...]

...in regards to "X".... i found the following very interesting!

...http://justinstephens.blogspot.com/


...in regards to the carving above also not the acorns and oak leaves!

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[dMz]

Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but aren't oak leaves and acorns veiled references straight out of Druidism? W. Churchill isn't around to ask anymore- don't know too many other Druids either. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

EDIT:
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialrepo...nstondruid.html

[Sanders]

Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but aren't oak leaves and acorns veiled references straight out of Druidism?

Yes. And here are some more oak leaves -

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Don't ask me what it means, I have no frikken idea. Other than to speculate that the Druids were more influential in the evolution of our civilization (along the lines of M. Tsarion's theories) - than we give them credit for. I wouldn't go as far as Tsarion to say that civilization sprang from Ireland, I think he is somewhat deluded on that point. But I easily go along with the idea that Ireland was an important cultural center very early on. I really believe that we have a distorted view of ancient history simply because modern historians can't wrap their minds around the idea that people 3 and 4 thousand years ago routinely travelled to far corners of the world by ship. "Oh, they couldn't have! - oh, all those step pyamids and dragon-dieties and human sacrifice rituals and astrological records found in the Americas had to have magically appeared thousands of years ago by coincidence!" ... yeah, right.

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[Sanders]

Forgive me for switching topics, I think this oak-leaf thing is both interesting and important, I just haven't done any research into it and I can't contribute much. My mind has been somewhere else lately, I've been thinking about the Caribbean.

I read a book once about John Adams, where it explains how Alexander Hamilton planned a Coup d'Etat against the fledgling US government - he had the troops assembled and everything. Adams learned of the plot and put a stop to it.

Pretty explosive stuff, considering that Hamilton's face is on the $10 bill. You may have heard it surmised that Hamilton was an agent of the international "banksters" ... and most everything he tried to do sort of confirms that view IMO.

Just today I thought about Hamilton, and remembered he was born in the Caribbean. And it hit me like a ton of bricks.

This is gonna take a few paragraphs to explain, I think I should start with America's first baby steps toward becoming an imperial power over a hundred years ago.

America's first "neocons" were a tightly knit group of imperialists who steered the US into the Spanish American war. These included Teddy Roosevelt, Henry Cabot Lodge and Elihu Root among others. There is much evidence that these men worked closely with the creators of the Federal Reserve system behind the scenes.

Teddy Roosevelt, while president, appointed Nelson Aldrich (who's daughter married into the Rockefeller family) to head the National Monetary Commission which studied the US banking system and recommended a central bank (along the lines of the Federal Reserve) to fix America's financial "problems". Roosevelt later entered the 1912 presidential race under the Bull-Moose ticket, splitting the Republican vote and insuring a win for Woodrow Wilson who would sign the Federal Reserve Act.

Elihu Root, also in Roosevelt's circle of war-hawks, was quite a piece of work. He was a preeminant lawyer and stateman around the beginning of the twentieth century who, according to Wiki, "shuttled between high-level government positions in Washington, D.C. and private-sector legal practice in New York City.". Root did legal work for the industrialists of the time including E. H. Harriman, he also championed the 16th ammendment, known as the "Income Tax Amendment". Through the presidential terms of McKinley, Roosevelt and Taft he served as Secretary of War, then Secretary of State, then served as a Senator from New York. Later he served as President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, helped create the Hague Academy of International Law in the Netherlands, and championed the League of Nations. He was the first chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations. (!!!) For all his goodly deeds he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Root's family roots trace back to Kent, England, where his ancestors were granted lands and title from William the Conqueror for distinguished service at the battle of Hastings in 1066. Here he is with William Taft, the 27th president (next after Teddy Roosevelt) -

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The Taft family helped start the Skull and Bones order, and there have been no less than 8 Tafts who have been members, including president William Taft who was a mason as well. Roosevelt started a fight with J.D. Rockefeller over the size of his Standard Oil company, a "fight" which was finished under Taft when the Supreme Court broke the company up into 30 or so smaller pieces. This however didn't destroy Rockefeller's monopoly, it just divided it up into smaller chunks, in fact Rockefeller profits soared after the break-up. (Several of those smaller companies eventually became several of the large oil companies of today.) What the Standard Oil break-up DID do though, was take the spotlight off of what the bankers and industrialists were actually up to - planning the setting up of the Federal Reserve System, which the Rockefellers would own a piece in. The public, which was paranoid at the time about power accumulating in the hands of the ultra-rich, was pacified, they thought the US government had beaten the robber-barrons. What the people didn't know was that their government was in collusion with the banksters, and that they were but lambs before the slaughter.

Before all this happened though, at the very end of the 19th century, these same guys, Roosevelt, Root, Lodge and a few others, with the help of media mogul Randolf Hearst and his network of newspapers, pushed the US into war with Spain. The spark that exploded the powder keg that they had prepared was arguably the first false-flag-op in America's history, the sinking of the USS Maine (erroneously blamed on the Spanish at the time). Lickedy-split the US and the Spanish went to war, which the US (who's navy Roosevelt and his cronies had been modernizing for some time) won easily. One result of the US victory was that Spain was ejected from the Caribbean.

(P.S., After the war Elihu Root masterminded the treaty which made Guantanimo Bay, Cuba US property. If you've ever wondered why US leaders are so stubborn on the issue of Cuba, maybe some of them think they won it fair and square from Spain and they want it back!!!??)

I didn't even go looking for these things shown in the image below - they are just various tidbits that I've stumbled across. I'm sure if I actually went looking I'd see more. I didn't start to connect these dots until I noticed that the Jamaican flag was a saltire cross (like the Scottish flag, like the skull and crossbones). The fact that the Morgan family crest and the Jamaican flag use the same colors convinced me that there must be a lot of pirate/bankster/dragon-blood history tied up in the Caribbean.

(IMG:http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9802/caribbeanzg3.jpg)

Makes me wonder if the American ultra-rich didn't enjoy Disney's 'Pirates of the Caribbean' even more than we can imagine? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

[Sanders]

dMole, I moved your last post over here
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10753588

[dMz]

Forgive me for jumping around, but I just stumbled onto something. The Templar Knights, I thought, fled to two locations (Scotland and Spain/Portugal) in the 14th century as Philip IV of France was trying to kill them all to get out of debt. I just read that they fled, in fact, to three locations ... the third being an area in the center of Europe that would later be known as ... Switzerland.

The Swiss flag -

(IMG:http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7412/picture2ei0.png)


B.I.S.,Bank for International Settlements. Top dog in the Central Banking Heirarchy, is in Switzerland of course. A country founded by Templars?

Templar banking was recently discussed at post #49:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10753776

and Sanders knocked it OUT OF THE PARK at post #55:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10753956