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NORAD / FAA, & the Air Defense response on 9/11

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The strongest military might on the planet could do nothing while hijacked airliners circled around the north east for over an hour and a half. ...Seems odd dunno.gif

Part of a 9/11 commission hearing exchange between Kyle F. Hence and Major Don Arias (Chief, Public Affairs, First Air Force/CONR):

Hence: I just want to ask a specific question because I did a little math. It was maintained that at 9:02 at the time of the second plane hitting the tower. The intercept planes were 71 miles away and it said in parentheses that's 8 minutes flying time. But if you do the math that would be around or less than 600 mph so...

Major: I don't know the answer to that. And you gotta take into account varying speeds so, well you know, uhh

Hence: varying speeds of?

Major: How fast is eight minutes? You are assuming a constant rate of speed.

Hence: The second tower had just been hit so why wouldn't they be going their top speed of 1500mph or 1800mph?

Major: I can't answer that. The testimony has to stand on its own for now.

Hence: I see. Thank you.
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Articles


The Failure to Defend the Skies on 9/11
by Paul Thompson
Excellent overview of all aspects of the air-defense failure from Cooperative Research.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.j...essayairdefense


9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes:
Politics and Power
by Michael Bronner
Vanity Fair, August 2006
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How did the U.S. Air Force respond on 9/11? Could it have shot down United 93, as conspiracy theorists claim? Obtaining 30 hours of never-before-released tapes from the control room of NORAD's Northeast head-quarters, the author reconstructs the chaotic military history of that day—and the Pentagon's apparent attempt to cover it up...
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feature...currentPage=all


Where Were the F-15s on 9/11?
by Shoestring @ damien911.blogspot
thoroughly sourced article
http://damien911.blogspot.com/


Summation of Civilian Air Defense, Sept.11
Who is to Blame?
Part 1C
of Sept 11: Unanswered Questions
by MalcontentX
communitycurrency.org
a fairly comprehensive overview of the failure of America's air defenses on 9/11
http://www.communitycurrency.org/Part1C.html


The FAA Knew!
But were they set up?
by Michael Kane
Very interesting article about Ptech, a Bush admin./Saudi connected company that supplied architecture software to the FAA
@ fromthewilderness
courtesy of jo56
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/cgi-bin/M..._faa_knew.shtml

Clarifications regarding Ptech software & addition information about Ptech
(thread "Ptech Connection To 911, Govt used Software; Co in FAA basement" started by jo56)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=3380


9/11 Live or Fabricated: Do the NORAD Tapes Verify The 9/11 Commission Report?
by David Ray Griffin
An in depth look at the NORAD (NEADS) tapes which were exerpted by Vanity Fair, based on Griffin's 9/11 Commission report analysis.
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006091418303369


F.A.A. Official Scrapped Tape of 9/11 Controllers' Statements
reproduction of original New York Times article
by Mathew L. Wald
hosted:freerepublic, May 6 2004
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At least six air traffic controllers who dealt with two of the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, 2001, made a tape recording that day describing the events, but the tape was destroyed by a supervisor without anyone making a transcript or even listening to it, the Transportation Department said today.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1130775/posts


Senator Dayton: NORAD Lied About 9/11
By Nicholas Levis
Sunday, August 1, 2004
@ 911Truth.org
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Mark Dayton has become the first U.S. senator to challenge the rush to consensus that "The 9/11 Commission Report" settles the open questions of Sept. 11, 2001.

In hearings last Friday, Sen. Dayton (D-MN) raised an obvious point: if the timeline of air defense response as promoted in the Kean Commission's best-selling book is correct, then the timeline presented repeatedly by NORAD during the last two years was completely wrong. Yet now no one at NORAD is willing to comment on their own timeline! ...
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607


A Pilot Answers 911 Questions JCS General Myers Wouldn't
by Michael Guillaume
truedemocracy.net, June 9 2002
includes trascript of Gen. Meyers talking to the Senate @ the Joint Chiefs confirmation hearing
http://truedemocracy.net/td14/17.html


The First Fifteen Minutes of September 11th
Former Air Traffic Controller Robin Hordon speaks out
on 9/11, NORAD and what should have happened on 9/11.

By Jeremy Baker
@communitycurrency
http://www.communitycurrency.org/robin.html


New leader takes NORAD reins
Air Force general also installed as head of Northern Command

By Bruce Finley
Denver Post, March 23 2007
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Gen. Victor Renuart was installed Friday during a change-of-command ceremony at Peterson Air Force Base. He will guide anti-terrorism defenses and complete the move of operations from Cheyenne Mountain to Peterson
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_5510248
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Posts and Threads


FAA Transcripts, AA77
AA77 - NYTimes

thread started by JDX
started Aug 13, 2006
Professional Air Traffic Controllers and Pilots going over FAA transcripts from 9/11 with a fine tooth comb
*comment from Librarian: this is an amazing thread. Non-industry readers (like me) may have a hard time understanding it all, but it's worth the effort - it gets really good.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...php?showtopic=3


Several Posts by Robin Hordon, Dec 11 2006
excellent series of investigative posts by one of our own members
Scrambling Protocols
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6836058
RE: Canavan's FAA press release...
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6836094
RE: Order 7610.4 Chapter Seven
Special Military Operations
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6836210
7-1-2 "Requests For Service"
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6836346


Debunking 9/11 Myths
Post by Beached
Nov 27 2006
Beached sets 9/11 Myths straight on NORAD and the Stand Down
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=6597174


Who Was The Faa's Hijack Coordinator On 9/11?
by waterdancer
Reconstituted from LC forum
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...0&#entry5091575


Norad Had Drills Of Jets As Weapons, In the two years before the Sept. 11
thread started by behind
started Nov 29 2006
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=2386


General Mike Canavan, Director Of Civil Aviation Security for the FAA on 9/11
thread started by waterdancer
started Jan 8 2006
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=3734
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Other Resources


Radio Broadcast

Talk and Interview with Pilot Michael Detrick

Pilot discusses NORAD, FAA regulations, etc.
Informative
Guns & Butter broadcast, KPFA (and other stations), Berkley
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"All flying activities of anykind... all flying objects are tracked by NORAD [from NORAD's Cheyenne Moutain Earth Command Center],... what's significant and what I'm telling you now,... this diversionary focus on what FAA knew and ground based radars knew, and NORAD knew,... is all obfuscation - within Cheyenne Mountain, and for obvious reasons, when you have a vehicle like the space shuttle, or the Hubble telescope, ... they have to know where every piece of space debris is and they do...
(middle of broadcast)
http://www.indybay.org/olduploads/20040825-wed1400.mp3


Video

Senator Mark Dayton on 9/11 Commission
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Senator Mark Dayton Confirms V.P. Dick Cheney Gave Shootdown Orders on 9/11

Blistering testimony of Senator Mark Dayton before the 9-11 Commission chairs Kean, Hamilton and NORAD. Senator Mark Dayton calls NORAD liars and the 9/11 Commission "not worth and Enron pension". "You lied to congress, you lied to the American people".
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2enul_se...on-911-commissi


911 - FOX: Hannity & Colmes on the Norad Tapes
Hannity & Colmes talk to Michael Bronner of Vanity Fair about the 30 hours of tapes that he wrote an article about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdev2VFBa3w
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