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Penny Elgas Plane Debris, Anybody know which part it is?

onesliceshort
post Nov 14 2009, 11:39 AM
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Can anybody 100% identify the piece of aircraft handed in to the Smithsonian Museum?


Detractors claim it was a wing tip, to back up the lightpole saga.
Yet in a recorded interview claims it is part of the tail.

http://www.pumpshitout.com/audio/pe_060509.mp3

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HILL: ¨And you said you saw it... you saw it hit one of the light poles?¨

ELGAS: ¨ No, I didn't see it hit. I heard on the news that it hit a light pole. But that's how I ended up with a piece of the plane, is that it clipped the pole. The tail -- that was actually the tail that a turned into the Smithsonian. A piece of the tail.¨



Sorry I´m totally green on deciphering airplane specs though I did notice that the tail of the Boeing was a composite of ´poxies and graphite´. Are the wings ,particularly the tips, made up of the same material?
Can anybody tell by the shape and rivet holes whether it is from the wings or tail?

Is it even the correct colour? Unless the other side is blue.

I believe it could be a vital piece of physical evidence in that it could help pinpoint where the plane entered Route 27 and the fact that if it IS a tail fragment, how was it supposed to have hit the lightpoles?
I believe Penny Elgas described it as ´the tail´ because she was told so at the Smithsonian Museum yet on their site they describe it as a ´fragment´ of Flight 77.

Any info appreciated guys.
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post Dec 15 2013, 09:23 PM
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Mike, that last comment of mine wasn't directed at you. Some people like to wind up here.

If you had followed that last link there is a break down of how we have been conned in to believing that the hole in the Pentagon wall was caused by an aircraft.

Plane + explosion + a sprinkling of unidentified debris + repitition= aircraft impact. How has it got to the point where that hole can in any way be attributed to an aircraft? That an aircraft could physically slot in there and not leave major debris on the lawn or marks on the facade from the extremities?

When you look in detail, you can see evidence of a number of internal explosions.

The "left wing damage" is obviously the result of internal explosives.
The "right wing damage" is the result of internal explosives.

Proof of both of those claims are outlined in detail at that link.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10810155

The central section is open to debate but my own personal speculation is that the generator trailer is probably the culprit using a mortar type device (and possible debris dispersion). As I said. Speculation.


As for the witnesses on Route 27, Mike Walter is a proven liar. His two coworkers Naranyan and Sucherman were describing an NOC entry point on to the road. The latter was (twice) claimed by the former to have been "on the other side of the Pentagon" (Route 110).
Steve Riskus is now a confirmed NOC witness.

I know where the discussion will lead when others try to insert a non witnessed "second aircraft" into the scenario. It makes a mockery of the NOC testimony. Who saw what? When? Where?

Nobody saw two aircraft, which would have had to have been virtually simultaneous. And the drivers on Route 27 didn't see two planes fly over the road.

If you want to discuss this I suggest opening a new thread Mike. Better still, respond in the thread I've linked to. I'm pretty underwhelmed by the response to this thread so far.
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- onesliceshort   Penny Elgas Plane Debris   Nov 14 2009, 11:39 AM
- - tezzajw   Good thread. Good questions. Hopefully someone h...   Nov 14 2009, 11:06 PM
- - DoYouEverWonder   www.sott.net/signs/Pentagon_Parody.htm Supposed...   Nov 15 2009, 07:59 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Nov 15 2009, 12...   Nov 15 2009, 09:51 AM
- - SPreston   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Nov 14 2009, 10:39...   Nov 15 2009, 10:52 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (SPreston @ Nov 15 2009, 03:52 PM) ...   Nov 15 2009, 11:11 PM
- - onesliceshort   I checked out the site that DYEW linked to for tha...   Nov 16 2009, 08:48 AM
|- - DoYouEverWonder   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Nov 16 2009, 07:48...   Nov 16 2009, 09:29 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (DoYouEverWonder @ Nov 16 2009, 02...   Nov 16 2009, 08:16 PM
- - tinynate   as far as penny elgas, I edited this and posted he...   Nov 23 2010, 07:25 PM
- - 23investigator   Sorry, not certain who a fast reply goes to. Perha...   Nov 29 2010, 05:16 AM
- - onesliceshort   Going back to the original question of this thread...   Dec 9 2013, 11:46 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Can anybody see where this alleged debris, h...   Dec 11 2013, 10:08 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 11 2013, 09:08...   Dec 11 2013, 05:15 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Dec 11 2013, 10:15 PM) O...   Dec 12 2013, 11:25 AM
- - onesliceshort   IIRC, these are the polymer composite sections of ...   Dec 12 2013, 12:01 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 12 2013, 11:01...   Dec 12 2013, 03:29 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Dec 12 2013, 08:29 PM) I...   Dec 14 2013, 04:09 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 14 2013, 03:09...   Dec 14 2013, 05:41 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 14 2013, 03:09...   Dec 14 2013, 09:24 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Dec 15 2013, 02:24 AM) I...   Dec 15 2013, 10:14 AM
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|- - amazed!   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Dec 14 2013, 09:24 PM) I...   Dec 15 2013, 10:46 AM
- - onesliceshort   It's like talking to a fucking brick wall. ...   Dec 15 2013, 11:12 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Dec 15 2013, 10:12...   Dec 15 2013, 06:52 PM
- - onesliceshort   Mike, that last comment of mine wasn't directe...   Dec 15 2013, 09:23 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Going back to the original question of this ...   Feb 18 2014, 12:34 PM
- - NP1Mike   I can see where you are trying to go with this OSS...   Feb 18 2014, 05:55 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE Given the outer white paint, this pretty muc...   Feb 18 2014, 10:06 PM
- - onesliceshort   Here's a Boeing (767) before the composites ar...   Feb 18 2014, 10:54 PM
- - onesliceshort   Here's another image of this piece without the...   Feb 20 2014, 12:28 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 20 2014, 11:28...   Feb 20 2014, 04:48 PM
- - onesliceshort   Hi Mike QUOTE Doesn't the nose cone in this p...   Feb 20 2014, 05:08 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 20 2014, 04:08...   Feb 20 2014, 05:25 PM
- - onesliceshort   The nosecone is a slightly lighter grey but it...   Feb 20 2014, 10:48 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 20 2014, 09:48...   Feb 20 2014, 11:12 PM
||- - 23investigator   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 21 2014, 12:42 PM) O...   Feb 21 2014, 05:52 AM
||- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (23investigator @ Feb 21 2014, 10:5...   Feb 21 2014, 08:07 AM
||- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 21 2014, 07:07...   Feb 21 2014, 09:31 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Feb 21 2014, 03:48...   Mar 8 2014, 11:26 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 8 2014, 04:26 ...   Mar 8 2014, 11:40 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (b) A Boeing expert on plane construction of...   Feb 21 2014, 10:24 PM
- - onesliceshort   I've run out of options as to where the Elgas ...   Mar 8 2014, 11:52 AM
- - kawika   My apologies if this has been covered already. Wh...   May 2 2014, 04:37 PM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (kawika @ May 2 2014, 09:37 PM) My ...   May 2 2014, 06:08 PM
|- - kawika   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 2 2014, 05:08 ...   May 2 2014, 06:15 PM
- - Alpha66   Nice work, it can be said, that at least in the Pe...   Apr 20 2015, 04:32 PM
- - amazed!   QUOTE (Alpha66 @ Apr 20 2015, 04:32 PM) N...   May 22 2015, 05:03 PM
- - Alpha66   QUOTE (amazed! @ May 22 2015, 05:03 P...   May 23 2015, 01:05 PM


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