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Debunkers Respond To Dennis Cimino, A Few Comments Copy & Pasted

mrmitosis
post Mar 16 2012, 06:50 PM
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Edit by Rob Balsamo - I would like to make it clear that Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not endorse the No Plane Theory nor the article mentioned in the OP.

I personally have not read the article in detail, nor do i intend to. People are free to make their own choices.

Please keep in mind the disclaimer in white text at the top of the forum when reviewing this thread and the article referenced.

Thank you.



Dennis Cimino posted an article on Veterans Today earlier this week discussing the Pentagon attack and the unresolved issues within the FDR data.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/13/91...k-is-a-fantasy/

Debunkers are already talking about it. I'd appreciate any responses to the comments below, to help me deal with a particularly loathsome GL on YouTube. (If not, I'm sure I can manage on my own...it'll just take a little bit longer whistle.gif...)

If he knows what hes talking about, why does he insist the FDR recorder shows the plane flying just over the West Wing of the White House on its way to the Penty, when even the twoofies pilots admit it shows no such thing?

Why does Dennis the ignorant fux insist the plane was heading 180, made a 330 degree right hand turn, then impact at heading 070. I mean HONESTLY, you fuxing moron, before pretending someone is an expert. Before pretending somone knows what he is talkin gabout, dont you think its a good ideaq to find out if the idiot can do SIMPLE FUXING 3RD GRADE ARITHMETIC FIRST?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

I mean Jesus tittfuxing christ! Even the little drooler picture Dennis drew of the AA77 flight path doesnt even show a 270 degreee turn. Instantly noticeable to anyone not a complete idiot (like Goebbels is) Yet Dennis the Moron keeps insisting a less than 270 degreee turn was an exact 330 degree turn? LMGDAOOOO

Dennis the Moron debunks herself frequently. At one moment (supposedly disproving a claim that data can sit in a buffer for several seconds before being recorded) that the FAR requires the data to be accurately recorded at least once a second. Then dismisses the Radar Altimiter data that disproves the "380 above the light poles" lie due to a magic carpet that was following the plane around, remaining underneath the Radalt ant. making it read falsely low--AND then claiming the Radal data is (contrary to previous claims) ofte ntimes "in lag" by several seconds. Dennis the Moron cant even keep his story straight. No wonder anyone with the smallest SHRED of aviation and avionics knowledge long ago dismissed his bullshit.


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Jim,

We already went over this via email when this article was posted to Facebook. Feel free to post that exchange. If you like, I will dig it out and post it myself.

In summary -
Our work does not validate No Plane Theories. We do not endorse No Plane Theory.

I don't know how much more clear I can make it, especially given the email exchange we had on this topic just last week, where i took the time to spell it out for you in answering your questions, the same questions you are asking now, which have already been addressed.

This is why I am being a bit firmer with my tone now. I apologize if it is upsetting you, but it upsets me when people use our work to further their own theories, especially when such people are specifically aware that we do not endorse such theory.

Again, please review the email exchange we had last week on this topic (or was it two weeks ago? I forget). I politely spelled it out for you.

Please post it here.

And as a reminder -



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- mrmitosis   Debunkers Respond To Dennis Cimino   Mar 16 2012, 06:50 PM
- - rob balsamo   feel free to email Dennis... i havent seen the art...   Mar 16 2012, 06:52 PM
|- - mrmitosis   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 16 2012, 05:52 P...   Mar 17 2012, 01:19 AM
- - onesliceshort   What's the YT link MrM?   Mar 16 2012, 07:05 PM
|- - mrmitosis   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 16 2012, 06:05...   Mar 16 2012, 08:52 PM
- - jfetzer   Well, there are three studies in this series as fo...   Mar 17 2012, 08:34 PM
- - mrmitosis   Thanks, Jim For the record, this is how I ende...   Mar 17 2012, 09:20 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE According to the official account, AA Flight...   Mar 17 2012, 10:53 PM
|- - mrmitosis   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Mar 17 2012, 09:53...   Mar 17 2012, 11:50 PM
||- - jfetzer   I do not believe that NPT is cited or discussed in...   Mar 21 2012, 10:43 AM
|- - jfetzer   Both articles discuss the impossibility of a Boein...   Mar 20 2012, 01:15 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 20 2012, 01:15 AM) ....   Mar 20 2012, 01:20 AM
|- - jfetzer   The wrong link was (what we used to call) "a ...   Mar 21 2012, 10:18 AM
- - amazed!   Jim Fetzer I wonder if it's possible you migh...   Mar 18 2012, 11:08 AM
|- - mrmitosis   QUOTE (amazed! @ Mar 18 2012, 10:08 A...   Mar 19 2012, 01:15 AM
- - onesliceshort   From your link Jim. QUOTE Pilots for 9/11 Truth C...   Mar 18 2012, 01:34 PM
|- - jfetzer   Well, if no Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, that supp...   Mar 21 2012, 10:57 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 10:57 AM) W...   Mar 21 2012, 11:00 AM
|- - jfetzer   Well, maybe Pilots still thinks its possible, but ...   Mar 21 2012, 11:24 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 11:24 AM) W...   Mar 21 2012, 11:26 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (jimfetzer)And, of course, as Pilots has sho...   Mar 18 2012, 11:26 PM
- - amazed!   Mitosis Thanks for the link to the interview with...   Mar 19 2012, 02:41 PM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (amazed! @ Mar 19 2012, 07:41 PM) M...   Mar 20 2012, 02:25 AM
|- - Dennis Cimino   QUOTE (amazed! @ Mar 19 2012, 07:41 PM) M...   Mar 20 2012, 02:28 AM
|- - jfetzer   While it was good of Rob to post this on behalf of...   Mar 21 2012, 01:19 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 01:19 AM) W...   Mar 21 2012, 04:19 AM
|||- - jfetzer   While I have replied to this elsewhere, Dennis sai...   Mar 21 2012, 10:30 AM
||- - jfetzer   Rob has send me a copy of what he received from De...   Mar 21 2012, 10:07 AM
|- - amazed!   QUOTE (Dennis Cimino @ Mar 20 2012, 02:28...   Mar 21 2012, 03:39 PM
|- - mrmitosis   QUOTE (amazed! @ Mar 21 2012, 02:39 P...   Mar 23 2012, 05:14 AM
- - rob balsamo   I would like to make it clear that Pilots For 9/11...   Mar 19 2012, 03:10 PM
|- - jfetzer   Given the degree of respect I have for Rob and for...   Mar 20 2012, 01:31 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 20 2012, 01:31 AM) U...   Mar 20 2012, 01:35 AM
|- - jfetzer   This is bad, Rob. I cite your own work establishi...   Mar 20 2012, 01:43 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 20 2012, 01:43 AM) I...   Mar 20 2012, 01:51 AM
|- - jfetzer   And of course I have consistently drawn the distin...   Mar 20 2012, 10:15 AM
- - rob balsamo   Wow, i see we have a huge jump in hits viewing thi...   Mar 20 2012, 09:16 AM
- - rob balsamo   Jim, We already went over this via email when thi...   Mar 20 2012, 10:24 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 20 2012, 10:24 A...   Mar 20 2012, 11:38 AM
|- - jfetzer   Yes, Rob sent me this, which is a fine statement f...   Mar 21 2012, 01:14 AM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (jimfetzer)They are "different kettles ...   Mar 20 2012, 11:24 AM
|- - jfetzer   Why don't you actually read my studies and exp...   Mar 20 2012, 11:59 AM
- - onesliceshort   That you label the "mistaken" official f...   Mar 20 2012, 12:59 PM
- - GroundPounder   guys, guys, we are on the same side here, ok?   Mar 20 2012, 01:39 PM
- - SanderO   Question about a plane's wing hitting light po...   Mar 20 2012, 08:09 PM
|- - jfetzer   SanderO, you are joking, right? You don't kno...   Mar 21 2012, 01:25 AM
|- - Dennis Cimino   Let me tell you a little story about a P-3 that wa...   Mar 21 2012, 06:52 AM
- - jfetzer   In case anyone believes that Pilots determination ...   Mar 21 2012, 01:05 AM
|- - mrmitosis   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 12:05 AM) W...   Mar 21 2012, 02:01 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (mrmitosis @ Mar 21 2012, 02:01 AM)...   Mar 21 2012, 05:13 AM
||- - jfetzer   Since there are four parts to NPT--that no Boeing ...   Mar 21 2012, 10:46 AM
|- - jfetzer   Another nice example of misunderstanding NPT. It ...   Mar 21 2012, 11:13 AM
|- - woody   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 03:13 PM) A...   Mar 22 2012, 01:07 PM
|- - Tamborine man   QUOTE (woody @ Mar 20 2012, 04:07 PM) I r...   Mar 23 2012, 02:39 AM
|- - woody   QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 23 2012, 06:39...   Mar 23 2012, 08:13 AM
|- - Tamborine man   QUOTE (woody @ Mar 21 2012, 11:13 AM) Cer...   Mar 23 2012, 11:17 AM
- - rob balsamo   Thank you for your apology Jim... accepted. As fo...   Mar 21 2012, 10:48 AM
|- - jfetzer   Well, thanks. But your post displays a misunderst...   Mar 21 2012, 11:06 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 11:06 AM) B...   Mar 21 2012, 11:11 AM
|- - jfetzer   No, Rob. I am talking about FAKE PLANES, not FAKE...   Mar 21 2012, 11:19 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 11:19 AM) N...   Mar 21 2012, 11:24 AM
|- - jfetzer   Rob, What you have explained is that you know som...   Mar 21 2012, 12:25 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 12:25 PM) R...   Mar 21 2012, 12:35 PM
||- - jfetzer   So it is the position of Rob Balsamo, the head of ...   Mar 21 2012, 12:41 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 12:41 PM) S...   Mar 21 2012, 12:50 PM
||- - jfetzer   This is embarrassing, but illuminating. You have ...   Mar 21 2012, 01:00 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 01:00 PM) T...   Mar 21 2012, 01:04 PM
||- - jfetzer   Rob, I am not going to try to persuade you of any...   Mar 21 2012, 02:15 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 02:15 PM) y...   Mar 21 2012, 02:29 PM
|- - jfetzer   The use of CAPS was for emphasis. Change the to b...   Mar 21 2012, 12:29 PM
|- - jfetzer   Yes, but your answers, which I shall quote here, s...   Mar 21 2012, 12:36 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 12:36 PM) Y...   Mar 21 2012, 12:42 PM
|- - jfetzer   Why can't you deal with my actual arguments, w...   Mar 21 2012, 12:46 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (jfetzer @ Mar 21 2012, 12:46 PM) W...   Mar 21 2012, 12:57 PM
|- - jfetzer   Here you confirm that you not only have not read m...   Mar 21 2012, 02:27 PM
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- - amazed!   Good post Mitosis. It seems obvious to me that th...   Mar 23 2012, 10:48 AM
- - Aldo Marquis CIT   Tambourine man, NPT=no planes theory. Not non-imp...   Mar 23 2012, 12:04 PM
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|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 23 2012, 11:59...   Mar 24 2012, 04:24 AM
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