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grizz
post Nov 18 2007, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (Kesha @ Nov 18 2007, 02:40 PM)
QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ Nov 18 2007, 09:19 PM)
To be honest, we should be careful about what we say in this public thread, folks. :ph43r:


Ehh... Why?

Someone is trying to sell a Boeing which s/n indicates that it has been used as a weapon in a mass murder.

Ok... I`m from Europe and nobody will punish me here... but asking simple and logical questions should be allowed, even in the US.


Kesha

It's probably too late, because they know we know about this airplane. It's likely been hidden in a hanger under heavy guard and will be destroyed.

Still someone on the inside may be sympathetic and manage to take some pictures.
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post Nov 18 2007, 08:27 PM
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Nice digs Kesha. Google is still the best tool every developed. It's just too bad it won't go back in time.

So, did the seller say the repairs have been done or just plan to be done.
And you found evidence showing the bird to be still fatally wounded and damaged.

Sounds like some kind of fraud sale. Book him.
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post Nov 18 2007, 09:12 PM
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Well it doesn't really change a thing, and it looks like the serial number listed is a typo, so it probably doesn't mean squat.
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post Nov 18 2007, 11:13 PM
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The engine fire during a maintenance run up on N330AA occurred on 6/2/2006, serial number 22330.

N330AA was totaled as a result of the damage.

As of today, N330AA is still listed in the American Airlines system as unassigned at LAX.
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post Nov 18 2007, 11:32 PM
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There are only two likely possibilities here.

1.Individuals are trying to sell a non-airworthy 767, which should be big news in the mainstream media and to the traveling public. I cannot see the managers of a corporation like AMR exposing themselves to the liability associated with selling a totaled 767 in a manner that allows the aircraft to fly again and endanger the public.

2.Individuals are involved in an elaborate disinformation scheme.

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post Nov 19 2007, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE (UnderTow @ Nov 19 2007, 03:27 AM)
So, did the seller say the repairs have been done or just plan to be done.
And you found evidence showing the bird to be still fatally wounded and damaged.

He told me that the repair is already done.
The insurence paid for the incident and instead of
just replacing some fan blades and other parts,
he said he ordered 2 new engines and the entire
left wing directly at Boeing and replaced the old ones.

He also told me that the complete maintanance history is
well documented. I wait if he will send me the data he got as
he promised me.

So, don't scare him away.

Carl
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post Nov 19 2007, 01:56 PM
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If Chowdry produces documentation for 22330, it is not necessarily conclusive evidence. Documents can be forged and fabricated or perhaps the documents he produces are, in fact, the documents for 22330. If IMP/Atlas were attempting to put 22332 back into operation, they would use the identity of an aircraft that was headed for the boneyard (or the Pacifc Ocean for that matter).

A much more conclusive piece of evidence would be proof that 22330 is still disabled, unpainted and sitting at LAX. This is much easier to obtain, imho.

If 22330 is currently sits unrepaired, Chowdry/Atlas could be charged with fraud, just for starters.

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post Nov 19 2007, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE (Culhavoc @ Nov 19 2007, 06:56 PM)
A much more conclusive piece of evidence would be proof that 22330 is still disabled, unpainted and sitting at LAX. This is much easier to obtain, imho.

If 22330 is currently sits unrepaired, Chowdry/Atlas could be charged with fraud, just for starters.

-Culhavoc

Well said...

Could someone in LA please check this out?

On August 30th, she was sitting at this part of LAX:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6059989

Is someone able to locate this area at LAX?
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post Nov 19 2007, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Kesha @ Nov 19 2007, 07:09 PM)
QUOTE (Culhavoc @ Nov 19 2007, 06:56 PM)
A much more conclusive piece of evidence would be proof that 22330 is still disabled, unpainted and sitting at LAX. This is much easier to obtain, imho.

If 22330 is currently sits unrepaired, Chowdry/Atlas could be charged with fraud, just for starters.

-Culhavoc

Well said...

Could someone in LA please check this out?

On August 30th, she was sitting at this part of LAX:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6059989

Is someone able to locate this area at LAX?

From http://letsrollforums.com/forums/viewtopic...er=asc&start=42

Re: American Airlines N330AA‏
From: Harro Ranter (harro.ranter@gmail.com)

Sent: November 19, 2007 11:53:33 AM
Reply-to: hr@aviation-safety.net
To: rjbelong@hotmail.com

Thanks for your e-mail. N330AA is still parked at LAX minus its engines. It is assmued that this airplane will be used for spares, but since it has not been broken up yet, I am reluctant to consider it a write off.

kind regards,

Harro

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Kesha,

Yes, I saw Ricochet's post. I'm just curious when AviationSafety's' db record on N330AA was last updated. I posed that question in the other forum, no reply yet.

As of now, all data (minus Chowdry's reply to Bank) points to N330AA still sitting at LAX. 2 more nails in the coffin would be a recorded phone interview with someone at LAX and current photos of the damaged bird.

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QUOTE (Culhavoc @ Nov 19 2007, 10:54 PM)
Kesha,

Yes, I saw Ricochet's post. I'm just curious when AviationSafety's' db record on N330AA was last updated. I posed that question in the other forum, no reply yet.

As of now, all data (minus Chowdry's reply to Bank) points to N330AA still sitting at LAX. 2 more nails in the coffin would be a recorded phone interview with someone at LAX and current photos of the damaged bird.

-Culhavoc

Go on , Bro


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post Nov 19 2007, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (Kesha @ Nov 19 2007, 10:55 PM)
QUOTE (Culhavoc @ Nov 19 2007, 10:54 PM)
Kesha,

Yes, I saw Ricochet's post.  I'm just curious when AviationSafety's' db record on N330AA was last updated.  I posed that question in the other forum, no reply yet.

As of now, all data (minus Chowdry's reply to Bank) points to N330AA still sitting at LAX.  2 more nails in the coffin would be a recorded phone interview with someone at LAX and current photos of the damaged bird.

-Culhavoc

Go on , Bro


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We need pics, folks!

No one in the LA area here?


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While there has been merely a handfull of participants on this thread, the number of views is outstanding. LINK

If there is anything of value to this, time is our enemy.

This task requires someone to pay a visit to LAX, pronto. Otherwise, N330AA, if it still sits at LAX, will disappear in no time.
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post Nov 19 2007, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Culhavoc @ Nov 19 2007, 05:57 PM)
While there has been merely a handfull of participants on this thread, the number of views is outstanding. LINK

Nothing surprising about that. And I'm sure that the views are not all by truthers. :ph43r:
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post Nov 20 2007, 04:39 PM
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According to this .pdf (line no. 166 / page 6)
http://www.edinavtn.co.uk/assets/files/PDFs/B767.pdf
N330AA (SN 22330) , damaged by uncontained engine fire - Los Angeles
is "Written Off".

Chowdry didn't tell me this, but he told me, he got an interested possible
buyer in a Swiss based airline that wants to use the plane for flights
in or to India. When I asked him to name the company, he said, he just
know the name of the one who he spoke to and named it.
Unfortunately, due to his strong eastern european accent and the fact that
he was stressed & driving while speaking ("It is 4 o clock in Washington and
I am driving home right now. Have you ever been to the Washington rush hour
in November?!"
), I didn't get it properly.

But I did some research on him and it is interesting to know, that he is
the heir of Michael Chowdry who founded 'Atlas Air' and made it to the Forbes 400.

A affiliated company of Atlas Air is 'Polar Air Cargo' -
Amnesty International mentiones this comp. in their Report about the
CIA kidnappings "Below The Radar".

The former CEO of Polar Air Cargo, Farhood Azima, is related to the brothers
Farhad and Farzin Azima who are still busy.
In the 80ies, on behalf of the CIA and the ex.Shah, they smuggeled tons of rocket
parts to Iran to free the US hostages in Lebanon and to prevent the Iran from a temporarily
possible victory of Iraq.

Any way, he didn't answer my email. Maybe it is too early, but I think the huge
attention on the web scared him away and the plane is nothing he will discuss
on the phone anymore.

Or shall I call him again?


no phone bill's too high 4: Carl
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post Nov 20 2007, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Nov 20 2007, 05:39 PM)
Or shall I call him again?

I say call again. But what do I know? I'm just a lurker hanging on the edge of my seat, waiting to see how all this plays out.

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Where are the serial numbers located on the plane? I would assume that the serial number is in various locations but when you're going to look for it where would you look first?
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post Nov 20 2007, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Nov 20 2007, 09:39 PM)
Any way, he didn't answer my email. Maybe it is too early, but I think the huge
attention on the web scared him away and the plane is nothing he will discuss
on the phone anymore.

Or shall I call him again?


no phone bill's too high 4: Carl

My suggestion would be to contact the other posters (including those on the 911TruthMovement and LooseChange forums) who have also tried to get in touch with Mr Chowdry and plot a co-ordinated strategy together, so you don't step on each others' toes, otherwise little will be accomplished, methinks. But then what do I know? A real (open-minded) investigative journalist is what's required here, someone who could easily get to where the plane is and *investigate*. Perhaps one of you know such a person, and can discreetly get this info to them. It doesn't matter who breaks this story (if in fact this is AA11), just that it gets broken, right?
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post Nov 20 2007, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Adam Sowa @ Nov 20 2007, 05:54 PM)
Where are the serial numbers located on the plane? I would assume that the serial number is in various locations but when you're going to look for it where would you look first?

Tail.
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QUOTE
Tail.


The serial number is incoperated into the tail number? Or is the serial number prominent on the tail where you can read it easily?
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