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About Passengers...? Didnt Hit Pentagon?, Then where are they?!?

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post Sep 12 2008, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE (JFK @ Jun 8 2008, 12:57 PM) *
Downloading the hi quality version now.... 27.2 Mb. wink.gif

Well JFK,

Surprise!- looks like Fox Noise has "sanitized" that video. Have you got that 27.2 MB copy handy (and can you mirror it somewhere for us when you get time)?
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QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 10 2008, 05:44 PM) *
Well JFK,

Surprise!- looks like Fox Noise has "sanitized" that video. Have you got that 27.2 MB copy handy (and can you mirror it somewhere for us when you get time)?

Bastards aren't they!

But these still stand as facts d:

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Note the response when the propagandist "news" anchor attempts to tie in the 9/11 victims (video counter with 02:20 remaining). Dr. Michael Baden, Forensic Pathologist states that cremation of human bodies requires 2500 deg Fahrenheit for at least 30 minutes. Has anyone got a way to archive this clip and/or get a transcript?

EDIT: Also house fires only reach 1700 F and the passengers did not get vaporized by airplane fires, according to Dr. Baden in the above clip.
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post Sep 12 2008, 08:48 PM
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OK- "johnnie-come-latelies"- FYI we've already talked passengers and manifests several times. See related thread, particularly the links of post #12 at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13537
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QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 12 2008, 03:44 PM) *
Well JFK,

Surprise!- looks like Fox Noise has "sanitized" that video. Have you got that 27.2 MB copy handy (and can you mirror it somewhere for us when you get time)?



Yeah, I finally found it... And moved it to my outgoing directory.

Now I need to find a free host.

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Try this. wink.gif

http://www.fileshost.com/en/file/60451/Sto...mation-flv.html
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post Sep 12 2008, 11:23 PM
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Thanks bushels JFK! I really love throwing Fox "News" at the "debunkers," since that's likely where they get all their "facts" and perception of the universe... rolleyes.gif

That is high-quality- you used Orbitdownloader for that IIRC? I'll host that Stonehenge vid too and post a link here soon.

Orbitfiles doesn't ask for a bunch of personal info, doesn't have the "wait BLAH seconds.." and gives 2GB storage, but I think 50MB is the biggest file they let you upload. It's not always "family friendly"/G-rated at times though.

http://www.orbitfiles.com/

EDIT:
OK- I've uploaded the Stonehenge video where forensic Dr. Baden says "no the passengers were not cremated" flat-out to:

http://www.orbitfiles.com/download/id3266866132.html

JFK, that Orbitfiles page does strange things if there are spaces in the filenames so get rid of those, and it's actually 6GB storage, with only 50MB files available.
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You are welcome dMole.

Yes I used the Orbit downloader for initially downloading that... There was a button on the Fox site for viewing a high quality version. wink.gif

Thanks for the link. smile.gif
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QUOTE (voldemor)
The most important question according to me .... where did the passengers of the flight American 77 go? - because there was a real Boeing 757 that took of from the airport that day. If it did not hit the Pentagone, where did they go - passengers and plane ? Where are the facts or topics about passengers and plane. Thanks.
QUOTE (johndoeX)
I say we all gather together and march up the steps of the Capitol and ask.. because according to their own information they provided via the NTSB... American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon (or the 5 light poles on Washington Blvd).

Who wants to join in asking the above question to people who should be asking the same themselves (ie. Congress, MSM.. et al).....?
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Voldemor

One possible explanation of "what happened to the passengers", assuming they exist at all, is that they were placed into the Federal Witness Protection Program.

It does exist, and it does recycle and generate identities for people.

Of course there is no evidence of that, but the government manages to control the evidence very well. In any event, it would be easy to do.

The government claims that Barbara Olson was located here:





The primary suspects controlled the crime scene and the DNA. There was lots of DNA from the targeted Pentagon personnel all over the crime scene. A lot of the alleged 'passenger' DNA was found way up past the Exit Hole. Initially the report was that the aircraft nose cone created the Exit Hole which is comical. Then the embarrassed perps changed it to a landing gear. Since the alleged 'passenger' DNA was inside the fuselage and the landing gear is outside the fuselage and under the wings or under the nose cone, then how did that DNA reach the A&E Drive in that supposedly hot jet fuel burning hell? The latest propaganda is that an explosive fireball created the Exit Hole which demands even more;
"But how did fragile DNA get way out there and survive the heat?"

Answer: It didn't. No aircraft crashed into the Pentagon.
It was all a military psyops mission and a lot of people were had.

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A summary question......do any public documents exist that show seats inside or outside of the pentagon here or elsewhere?

Can someone show the link to any dna identification of the pax of AA77?
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Well one of the GL's was kind enough to finally provide us with this archived PDF:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060907034559/...files/3/266.pdf

Excerpts:

"[p. 1]The fact that this was a terrorist attack targeting the nerve center of the U.S. Department of Defense made the identification and handling of the human remains significantly different than a “typical” mass disaster.

The responsibility to identify and autopsy each of the decedents fell to the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner, part of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, headquartered in Washington, DC. All of the human remains–of which there were more than 2000 separate specimens–were moved to the U.S. Air Force Port Mortuary at Dover AFB, Delaware, for
evaluation.
...
[p 6 of 10, presumably "typical" handling procedures described] Triage/Safety
If the possibility of unexploded bombs, weapons, or other dangerous materials exists, the remains must be appropriately screened to ensure the safety of those in the morgue. Once this is accomplished, the anthropologist or pathologist assigned to the triage area examines every set of remains that comes through the door of the morgue. Aircraft parts and/or personal effects that are not associated with any human remains can be pulled aside and inventoried separately. Any human remains that are in the same bag, but are not physically connected, are separated into different bags, uniquely labeled, and assumed to be different individuals until proven otherwise.

Photography
All remains are photographed “as is” at this point. All accession number are double-checked.
...
[Victims list on pages 9 & 10- names only]"
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My quick notes on "chain of custody" of evidence:

1. DoD in charge of operation the entire time.
2. DoD handled the Pentagon "significantly different"ly than "typical."
3. Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner [DoD] was responsible for identification.
4. Specimens were moved to Dover AFB [DoD].
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QUOTE (dMole @ Nov 9 2008, 12:15 AM) *
Well one of the GL's was kind enough to finally provide us with this archived PDF:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060907034559/...files/3/266.pdf

Excerpts:

"[p. 1]The fact that this was a terrorist attack targeting the nerve center of the U.S. Department of Defense made the identification and handling of the human remains significantly different than a “typical” mass disaster.

The responsibility to identify and autopsy each of the decedents fell to the Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner, part of the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, headquartered in Washington, DC. All of the human remains–of which there were more than 2000 separate specimens–were moved to the U.S. Air Force Port Mortuary at Dover AFB, Delaware, for
evaluation.
...
[p 6 of 10, presumably "typical" handling procedures described] Triage/Safety
If the possibility of unexploded bombs, weapons, or other dangerous materials exists, the remains must be appropriately screened to ensure the safety of those in the morgue. Once this is accomplished, the anthropologist or pathologist assigned to the triage area examines every set of remains that comes through the door of the morgue. Aircraft parts and/or personal effects that are not associated with any human remains can be pulled aside and inventoried separately. Any human remains that are in the same bag, but are not physically connected, are separated into different bags, uniquely labeled, and assumed to be different individuals until proven otherwise.

Photography
All remains are photographed “as is” at this point. All accession number are double-checked.
...
[Victims list on pages 9 & 10- names only]"
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My quick notes on "chain of custody" of evidence:

1. DoD in charge of operation the entire time.
2. DoD handled the Pentagon "significally different"ly than "typical."
3. Office of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner [DoD] was responsible for identification.
4. Specimens were moved to Dover AFB [DoD].


HMMMMMMMMMM, 7 years later, all the pathology evidence at Dover AFB, and no EVIDENCE (not anecdotal statement or opinions) released...right?

Have there been any public announcements of the ingormation and remains being classified under "NATSEC"?
Any NSD's?

I haven't found any, but I am sure it has happened... thumbdown.gif
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In retrospect, let's add:

5. Exact role(s) of FBI, NTSB/DOT/FAA, CIA, Secret Service, [rest of] DoD, and NSC (and its various minions) entirely unknown.
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some related details...



unaccounted TOTAL tally:
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/releas...?releaseid=3043
"Total estimate is now 125. The original estimate for Defense Agencies was 10, which inadvertantly included one DoD employee on American Airlines Flight #77, Mr. Bryan C. Jack."


unaccounted navy personnel:
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=44898
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/releas...?releaseid=3038

unaccounted army personnel:
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/releas...?releaseid=3042

unaccounted DOD:
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/releas...?releaseid=3041


casualty update 9/15/2001:
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/releas...?releaseid=3046

"The Department of Defense announced today that Herbert W. Homer, a civilian employee of the Defense Contract Management Agency, was among the passengers aboard United Airlines Flight # 175, which crashed into the World Trade Center. He was previously listed in error as unaccounted at the Pentagon."
"Search and rescue operations continue. To date, 85 remains have been recovered from the Pentagon, 77 of which have been transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification."


casualty update 9/17/2001
http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/releas...?releaseid=3048

"To date, 97 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Eleven have been identified. Search and rescue operations continue."


9/18:
To date, 113 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Eighteen have been identified. Search and rescue operations continue.


9/19:
The Department of Defense confirmed today that the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 30 the number of victims positively identified.
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted for, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 115 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and rescue operations continue.


9/20:
The Department of Defense confirmed today the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 40 the number of unaccounted for victims positively identified, not including the individual who recently died of wounds suffered in the attack:
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted for, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 116 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and rescue operations continue.


9/21:
The Department of Defense confirmed today the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 40 the number of unaccounted for victims positively identified, not including the individual who recently died of wounds suffered in the attack:
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted for, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 116 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and rescue operations continue.


9/22:
The Department of Defense confirmed today that the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 60 the number of unaccounted victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succumbed to wounds suffered in the attack.
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 117 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and recovery operations continue.
The Department of Defense confirmed today the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 68 the number of unaccounted for victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succombed to wounds suffered in the attack:


9/23:
The Department of Defense confirmed today the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 68 the number of unaccounted for victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succombed to wounds suffered in the attack:
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted for, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 118 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and recovery operations continue.


9/24:
The Department of Defense confirmed today that the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 74 the number of unaccounted victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succumbed to wounds suffered in the attack.
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted for, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date 118 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and recovery operations continue.


9/25:
The Department of Defense confirmed today that the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 78 the number of unaccounted victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succumbed to wounds suffered in the attack.
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 118 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and recovery operations continue.


9/27:
The Department of Defense confirmed today that the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 80 the number of unaccounted victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succumbed to wounds suffered in the attack.
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 118 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and recovery operations continue.


9/30:
The Department of Defense confirmed today that the following people were killed as a result of the attack on the Pentagon. This brings to 84 the number of unaccounted victims positively identified, not including the individual who later succumbed to wounds suffered in the attack.
As a result of the attack, 125 people were killed or remain unaccounted, not including the 64 passengers on the plane. To date, 118 remains have been recovered and transported to Dover Air Force Base, Del. for identification. Search and recovery operations continue.


january 2007, 184 bodies identified: Experts ID 184 Pentagon Fatalities
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:CHdJ0...cd=34&gl=us


the exact process of body identifications of the pentagon victims:
http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/full/223/1/7

exact process broken down further, New Foundland crash:
http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/content/...pe2=tf_ipsecsha
http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/reprint/...f1dd564884603a2
http://radiology.rsnajnls.org/cgi/reprint/...f1dd564884603a2

more on that crash:
http://www.qmfound.com/gander.html



random:

jonestown bodies (taken to DOVER for i.d.):
http://www.qmfound.com/jonestown_guyana_identification.htm

nasa crash bodies sent to Dover Air Force Base:
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/sts10...ins_030213.html
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clearly this is a topic we've all presented to the sheeple before...
so instead of a new post, im just going to post a response from sometime awhile back:



Andrew M. Baker, M.D., a good boyscout (was the m.e. for the pent victims)

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Lshgm...;cd=2&gl=us

CURRICULUM VITAE
Professional Employment:
2001-2002
Chief Deputy Medical Examiner
Office of the Armed Forces Medical
Examiner, Armed Forces Institute of
Pathology, Washington, DC

2000-2001
Staff Pathologist
Department of Pathology, National
Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, MD

1999-2001
Deputy Medical Examiner
Office of the Armed Forces Medical
Examiner, Armed Forces Institute of
Pathology, Washington, DC

1998-1999
Associate Medical Examiner
Office of the Armed Forces Medical
Examiner, Armed Forces Institute of
Pathology, Washington, DC


Teaching:
Course Director, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Basic Forensic Pathology course,
Bethesda, Maryland, November 12-16, 2001


Honors and Awards:
Department of Defense, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, 2002
Department of Defense, Joint Service Commendation Medal, 2001
Department of Defense, Joint Meritorious Unit Award, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, DC, 2000
Distinguished Graduate, Commissioned Officer Training, Maxwell AFB, Alabama, United States Air Force, 1998


Invited Presentations:
Aviation Pathology: 101, Minnesota Society of Coroners and Medical Examiners, October 2001


there's no possible motive for the good doc to be biased, huh?

i dont think anyone is arguing about what the proper method of DNA identification is. the problem is comes from the fact that there is mounting evidence that the plane could not and did not hit the building. so because thats the case, then any alleged DNA of passengers at the pentagon is just that, alleged.


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So are you saying that the DNA of any of the passengers, was never at the pentagon site? Who then would have to be involved for that to be the case?


im not saying it, though it is indeed what is easily observable. you silly skeptic - are clearly aware of the "mounting evidence" i was referring to (your posts in the relevant threads establishes your awareness of this evidence). its that evidence which makes it clear that the plane flew from east of the potomac (chaconas), north of the citgo (+10 witnesses), and over the building (roberts). so if you want to address the alleged passengers' DNA's in a vacuum, where all other facts are absent, then go ahead. it wont change the truth/reality thats established by real witnesses and real investigative footwork.

regarding your question of who would be involved, i dont know and i dont have to say. your question is about as relevant to the doubts about DNA authenticity, as the price of tea in china. but i'll go ahead and entertain it, at least partially. who would be involved? well the dear doctor, military/DOD trained and awarded Dr.Baker, is at least one person who (at least) after the fact, would be (witting or unwittingly) involved, because thanks to his "insights", pseudoskeptics such as yourself can coontinually deny the evidence that clearly indicates the impossibility of aircraft passengers from "flight 77" being recovered from the pentagon.

there is no record of, nor any testimony which directly establishes who found what at the aftermath of the explosions at the pentagon. thru compartmentalization, the various entities and footsoldiers who facilitated the clean-up at the pentagon, would be kept from knowing what was what. what i mean is that the workers there, cleaned up x number of bodies and remains. i doubt it was one person, so an overall count of how many such bodies/parts were found would not have been kept by anyone involved in the clean-up. so no one from the clean-up can say with any certainty that enough bodies/parts were collected to account for a total sum of deceased plane passengers and pentagon employees.

there is no proof that any of the clean-up personnel were present at the labs where the DNA testing took place. so there wasnt anyone from the pentagon clean-up present at the lab, keeping a tally of overall bodies/parts received for testing. absent of any official oversight or continuity in the chain of evidence, there is no way to tell where the remains (examined at the military lab) came from. so as a lab technician you might be presented with something to test for DNA, but as a lab worker you would NOT have any confirmable/verifiable proof that what's being tested, actually came from the pentagon rubble.

each group would be tasked with specific jobs/responsibilities, but none of these would overlap in a way that would allow for awareness that there was malfeasance or subversion. i challenge you to find any person on record, who has said that yes i was at the cleanup, and yes i rode along or followed the trucks/choppers on their way to the DNA facility, and yes i watched the specific remains being delivered, and yes i watched each of those remains being tested at the lab. obviously it even sounds ridiculous for it wouldnt make any logistical/operational sense to have the same persons track the evidence from start to finish. but such compartmentalization is exactly what provides ample opportunity for unsubstantiated, untracked bodies/remains to become included as alleged "flight 77" passengers.

neverminding any of the above, and sticking to facts PREREQUISITE to reaching the DNA question, there is substantial evidence that the alleged flight 77 NEVER hit the pentagon. in fact, NO PLANE hit the pentagon. deny the preponderence of evidence and testimony all you want, it only proves that psuedo-skeptical logic is something for physicists to examine, since such logic exists in a black hole and not in the 3 dimensional plane of existence known as REALITY to the those of us with UNBIASED and genuinely critical minds. so see a shrink or find a physicist, maybe they can recommend some remedy for your head ailment. we can only continue to present evidence of contradictions/lies, but we cant make you think logically. as they say, you can lead horse to water, but you can make him drink. so thanks to the hard-earned labors of truth-pursuers (CIT/P4T especially) there is a wealth of evidence in front of you which should help do away with the Official Conspiracy Theory of 19 arab jihadists.
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9/11 exposed sums it up rather well.
http://911exposed.org/DNA.htm
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QUOTE (dMole @ Sep 12 2008, 05:48 PM) *
OK- "johnnie-come-latelies"- FYI we've already talked passengers and manifests several times. See related thread, particularly the links of post #12 at:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=13537

Now let's add:

The Missing Passengers
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=6389
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A bit about Dover AFB:

http://www.dover.af.mil/units/

"Dover AFB is home to the 436th Airlift Wing, known as the "Eagle Wing" and the 512th Airlift Wing, our Air Force Reserve associate--referred to as the "Liberty Wing." Together, these two wings make up the "Dover Team."

The 436th Airlift Wing is the active duty military host unit at Dover Air Force Base, which provides command and staff supervision, along with support functions, for assigned airlift providing worldwide movement of outsized cargo and personnel on scheduled, special assignment, exercise and contingency airlift missions.

The "Eagle Wing" is a subordinate of Eighteenth Air Force headquartered with the Air Mobility Command at Scott Air Force Base, Ill. The Eagle Wing consists of operations, maintenance, mission support and medical groups and 14 staff divisions. The wing has more than 4,000 active-duty military and civilian employees.

Home to the C-5 Galaxy and C-17 Globemaster III aircraft, the Eagle Wing flies hundreds of missions throughout the world and provides 25 percent of the Nation's strategic airlift capability, projecting global reach to over 100 countries around the globe.

Dover AFB operates the largest and busiest air freight terminal in the Department of Defense and is also home to the Air Mobility Command Museum, which welcomes thousands of visitors each year. The Charles C. Carson Center for Mortuary Affairs is the DOD's largest joint-service mortuary facility and the only one located in the continental United States. "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dover_Air_Force_Base

http://www.dover.af.mil/library/factsheets...eet.asp?id=4037

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=28223

"WASHINGTON, Oct. 29, 2003 – Military officials this week opened a new $30 million mortuary at Dover Air Force Base, Del. The Charles C. Carson Center for Mortuary Affairs, which replaces a 48-year-old facility, is the Defense Department's only stateside mortuary.

"The new building is state-of-the art," said Meg Falk, director of the Defense Department's Office of Family Policy.

The 70,000-square-foot facility was built in little more than a year, said Falk, who likened the project to the Pentagon's Phoenix Project, which rebuilt the portion of the Pentagon destroyed on Sept. 11, 2001, in a year. "It was built with that same kind of spirit and dedication," she said.

Since 1955, the remains of more than 50,000 service members have arrived at Dover for identification and funeral preparations. The mortuary staff prepares the remains of fallen U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines, as well as government officials and their families stationed abroad in Europe and Southwest Asia.
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Here's a "dirty little" historical secret about US military bases during the Vietnam "police action" (I know a couple of firsthand witnesses to such unsavory "business"):

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10760367

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_action
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OP Title: "About Passengers...? Didnt Hit Pentagon?, Then where are they?!?"

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html
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Also Known as: Smoke Screen, Wild Goose Chase.
Description of Red Herring

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

1. Topic A is under discussion.
[Ed: American Airlines Boeing B757-223, # N644AA, B# 24602, Rolls RB211-535E4B-37?, Mode 3A 6553 off 08:50:38 EDT DEFINITELY and CONCLUSIVELY struck the Pentagon around 11 Sep 2001 before 10:00.] == Topic A
2. Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
3. Topic A is abandoned.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.


[Isn't "abandoning" Topic A anytime soon: d wink.gif]

EDIT: OP by 1-post forum member "voldemor":

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showuser=1330
Reason for edit: Fishing for Herring...
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post Jan 23 2009, 10:47 AM
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See also the page in the Library section:

Passengers
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=246

"Flights 11 and 175 were each Boeing 767s with a seating capacity of 255. The flight manifests listed 86 passengers and crew on flight 11 and 56 on flight 175. Flights 77 (56 passengers) and 93 (33 passengers) were both Boeing model 757s with a seating capacity of 239."

Strangely, many of those passenger sources trace to CNN, which appears to have pulled all of its flight passenger info for all 4 pages linked at:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.cen...ctims/main.html
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I didn't check many of these links, but this page is worth looking at:

http://911review.org/Wiki/PassengerList.shtml
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This page came up in a search, but the CNN links are broken there too. The images wouldn't link, but look here for passenger info:

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/passengers.html
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EDIT: Boston Globe/NY Times has these webpages:

AA11
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...ms/flight11.htm

AA77
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...ms/flight77.htm

UA93
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...ms/flight93.htm

UA175
http://www.boston.com/news/packages/sept11...s/flight175.htm
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