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Pilots For 9/11 Truth Forum _ Shanksville, PA _ The Ceecee Lyles Call Was Made Whilst She Was On The Ground.

Posted by: roscoe Oct 28 2013, 04:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLc6izfNj0&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrxsrTKHN4

NO ENGINE NOISE - SHE'S ON THE GROUND

Posted by: DonM Oct 28 2013, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (roscoe @ Oct 28 2013, 12:37 AM) *
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLc6izfNj0&feature=player_detailpage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUrxsrTKHN4

NO ENGINE NOISE - SHE'S ON THE GROUND



Of course she was on the ground... all the cell phone calls had to have been made from a ground location

Posted by: amazed! Oct 28 2013, 05:03 PM

Agreed, DonM.

Further, the radios used to communicate with ATC are not the same radios (cellphones) allegedly used by Lyles, so they are not going to sound the same, no matter how you cut it.

Posted by: roscoe Oct 29 2013, 02:25 AM

QUOTE (amazed! @ Oct 28 2013, 05:03 PM) *
Agreed, DonM.

Further, the radios used to communicate with ATC are not the same radios (cellphones) allegedly used by Lyles, so they are not going to sound the same, no matter how you cut it.


Yes well as a former Cell Phone engineer I can vouch for the fact that cell phones will not remain connected for longer than a few seconds. However Ceecee Lyles may well be using the airphone and these use VHF (in some cases UHF)

The pilot will use a noise cancelling microphone. Whilst these microphones reduce the engine noise they do not eliminate it completely. An Airphone does NOT use a noise cancelling microphone at all. If Ceecee Lyleswas in the passenger cabin she would be closer to the engines and the noise would be louder.

There is NO ENGINE NOISE AT ALL. SHE'S ON THE GROUND AND THE ENGINES ARE SHUT DOWN.

Posted by: paranoia Oct 29 2013, 05:07 AM

roscoe, while i fully agree with you that the call is suspect (and did not originate from onboard a fast moving commercial airliner at altitude), i think you may find this little tidbit interesting and maybe even helpful:

CeeCee Lyles' Husband Lorne



secondary link for same clip: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a56_1311405304

-at 2 minute mark, he speaks of the caller i.d. showing her cell phone number!



see also - an amplified excerpt from the end of ceecee's call sounds like someone saying "you did great!" to her:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17518
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/478284/1/
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&q=call+ceecee+lyles+%22you+did+great%22&oq=call+ceecee+lyles+%22you+did+great%22&gs_l=serp.3...118859.125922.0.126187.17.8.0.0.0.0.453.2092.0j3j3j0j2.8.0....0...1c.1.29.serp..12.5.1172.YgY_dBLcEmM

(unfortunately the youtube vid that had made light of the discovery is no longer available, but if you listen at the end of the call but before the end of the clip that you posted in the o.p., you'll hear a woman's voice say something that at first listen sounds unintelligible. try recording and amplifying it, see what you hear... i recall it sounding very much like someone congratulating ceecee as if she had done a good job playing the role and reading the script - "you did great!" is what it sounded like.)

Posted by: paranoia Oct 30 2013, 12:25 AM

another instance of caller i.d. call recognition: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=deena_burnett

9:27 a.m. September 11, 2001: Flight 93 Passenger Tom Burnett Calls Wife Using Cell Phone; Reports that His Plane Has Been Hijacked

QUOTE
Tom Burnett, a passenger on Flight 93, calls his wife Deena Burnett at their home in San Ramon, California. [Longman, 2002, pp. 106-107] She looks at the caller ID and recognizes the number as being that of his cell phone. She asks him if he is OK, and he replies: “No, I’m not. I’m on an airplane that’s been hijacked.” He says, “They just knifed a guy,” and adds that this person was a passenger. [Burnett and Giombetti, 2006, pp. 61] (According to journalist and author Jere Longman, this would likely have been Mark Rothenberg in seat 5B; Burnett was assigned seat 4B. Rothenberg is the only first class passenger who does not make a call from the flight. [Longman, 2002, pp. 107] ) Deena asks, “Are you in the air?” She later recalls, “I didn’t understand how he could be calling me on his cell phone from the air.”


9:45 a.m. September 11, 2001: Tom Burnett Makes Third Call; Says Flight 93 Passengers Are Making Plans to Defeat Hijackers
QUOTE
Flight 93 passenger Tom Burnett calls his wife Deena Burnett for the third time. She is able to determine that he is using his cell phone, as the caller identification shows his number. [Federal Bureau of Investigation, 9/11/2001


- since its impossible for the cell phone calls to have originated (and stayed connected at length) from a commercial plane flying at altitude, the calls must have come from elsewhere. the perps could have used the actual phones in question or they spoofed the incoming call numbers to fool the caller id machines, but they didnt do from onboard "flight 93".


another example of a call that falls into a similar category, is the (alleged) call of ed felt. though his call was not identified by caller i.d., the origin of the call comes into question. let's put aside the context of the call - where nothing he described (trapped in bathroom), matched the rest of the let's roll calls and alleged circumstances purported by them (hanging out freely and calling relatives and eventually crashing the cockpit).

the real problem with felt's call is that it reached the emergency call center at westmoreland county (pennsylvania) police dispatch. first lets rule out a seatphone: the seatphone can not reach 911 dispatchers on the ground. lets assume there is an emergency number written on the phone, and the would-be victim calls it. at some emergency call center an operator answers. but they dont and cant know where the plane is, and neither does the caller. so how would the operator know to call the westmoreland county e-center? especially around the same relative time the plane was passing by?

instead the felt call is alleged to have come from a cell phone onboard flight 93 toward its last minutes. but then all the prerequisite failing of cell calls aboard commercial planes in 2001 apply. the implication is that the call came from somewhere on the ground. typically, when dialing 911 on a cell phone, the only way to reach a particular local emergency center is by physically being in the area that is convered by that particular e-center. the highest probability way to reach them in particular is to have made the call somewhere inside the radius covered by them, and in this case, to wait to do so til right around the time the plane is supposed to be (or actually is) flying by. so its likely the call originated from somewhere inside westmoreland county pa.

unless of course, the perps had access to some sort of dirty bird in the sky with tele-com spoofing and other satelite capabilities. either way, the ed felt call did not and could not have come from onboard the alleged UA93.

imho of course.

Posted by: woody Nov 6 2013, 02:27 PM


Don't miss this here: List of United 93 Airfone Calls

http://911woodybox.blogspot.de/2012/11/list-of-united-93-airfone-calls.html

More contradicitions piling up.


Posted by: poppyburner Nov 12 2013, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (paranoia @ Oct 29 2013, 09:07 AM) *
see also - an amplified excerpt from the end of ceecee's call sounds like someone saying "you did great!" to her:
...
(unfortunately the youtube vid that had made light of the discovery is no longer available, but if you listen at the end of the call but before the end of the clip that you posted in the o.p., you'll hear a woman's voice say something that at first listen sounds unintelligible. try recording and amplifying it, see what you hear... i recall it sounding very much like someone congratulating ceecee as if she had done a good job playing the role and reading the script - "you did great!" is what it sounded like.)


A woman's voice??? Sounds like a man to me, saying: "It [the performance you just gave] was great."

I'm surprised you didn't mention the lines audibly-whispered to Lyles (by presumably the same man) at earlier points.

My guess is that he was her mentor, in a hijack simulation/response exercise; and there were key-lines he had to extract from her, to fit the official story (sounds as if he neglected to run the cabin white noise atmos track - too late now, Lorne Lyles has a copy of the message, with the whispers!).

QUOTE (roscoe @ Oct 29 2013, 06:25 AM) *
SHE'S ON THE GROUND AND THE ENGINES ARE SHUT DOWN.


How can you be sure that she was even in a plane?


Posted by: poppyburner Nov 12 2013, 10:16 PM

Plus, I doubt that there was a script to read, it would sound too artificial (and not everyone is literate).

Here is an official source for the audio file (I find that third parties often corrupt evidence):

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.html

Posted by: Nagelfar Nov 19 2013, 08:25 PM

Have you guys missed that she actually says: "It's a frame" at the end of the tape?

Here is a short (3 min) trailer for the excellent newly produced italian documentary:"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor"

Listen to this it becomes very clear:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmM4Tra-rg0

Posted by: Nagelfar Nov 20 2013, 12:07 PM

This one is even better. This is without the trailer. Just the conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiX7mNV4ab0

Posted by: poppyburner Nov 20 2013, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Nagelfar @ Nov 20 2013, 12:25 AM) *
Have you guys missed that she actually says: "It's a frame" at the end of the tape?
...
Listen to this it becomes very clear:


Specifically at which point do you hear her say that? I hope you're not mishearing the aforementioned final whisper, which was surely produced by the same sinister party responsible for those heard seconds earlier?


Posted by: Nagelfar Nov 20 2013, 10:16 PM

Exactly at 0:38 she whispers "It's a frame". It cannot be mistaken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiX7mNV4ab0

Posted by: poppyburner Nov 21 2013, 01:27 AM

QUOTE (roscoe @ Oct 29 2013, 06:25 AM) *
An Airphone does NOT use a noise cancelling microphone at all.


But this is worth noting from the Airfone FAQ (1997):

'Airplanes are pretty noisy. Do I have to talk loud on the phone and/or will it be difficult, for the party I'm calling, to hear me?

Your party should be able to hear you loud and clear. Not only does Airfone Service utilize digital signaling which delivers crisp, clear voice connections, but there is a volume control on the handset which can be adjusted to fit your needs.'


http://web.archive.org/web/19980415060212/http://www.gteairfone.com/faq.html#9

Posted by: poppyburner Nov 21 2013, 05:02 PM



QUOTE (Nagelfar @ Nov 21 2013, 02:16 AM) *
Exactly at 0:38 she whispers "It's a frame". It cannot be mistaken.



Oh really? So far I've read people mistake it as: "You did great", "Let us pray" and *cough* "It's a frame".


oO(Excellent, she did everything I prompted her to and added a bit of convincing grief at the end.) "[Cheer up honey] It was great."

Posted by: poppyburner Nov 23 2013, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (poppyburner @ Nov 13 2013, 01:56 AM) *
(sounds as if he neglected to run the cabin white noise atmos track ...



Correction: I'm now guessing that by design, Flight 93's calls typically had no significant background noise, based on both the known CeeCee Lyles audio and these FBI statements:

'The entire call lasted approximately fifteen to twenty minutes. Lyzbeth [Glick] could not hear any unusual sounds in the background of the call and the connection was extremely clear, "as if he [husband Jeremy Glick] was calling from the next room."

'[Verizon Airfone supervisor Lisa] JEFFERSON noted that the call had an unusually low amount of background noise. JEFFERSON continued her conversation with [Todd] BEAMER for another eight minutes, During this time she could hear screams, prayers, exclamations, and talk of subduing the highjackers. At no time did she hear any discernable language other than English.'


Maybe the culprits found in trials, that aircraft cabin noise was too intrusive for such important reporting to ordinary phones; so they sacrificed a little authenticity for the greater gain.

'Airplane Cabin Noise Sound':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNB5i-BJFRc

Posted by: poppyburner Dec 14 2013, 04:04 AM

+ 'Jack Grandcolas later says, “She [Lauren] sounded calm.” He describes, “There is absolutely no background noise on her message. You can’t hear people screaming or yelling or crying. It’s very calm, the whole cabin, the background, there’s really very little sound.” [Longman, 2002, pp. 128; Kate Solomon, 2006; Washington Post, 4/26/2006]' ~ http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=lauren_grandcolas_1

QUOTE (roscoe @ Oct 29 2013, 06:25 AM) *
The pilot will use a noise cancelling microphone. Whilst these microphones reduce the engine noise they do not eliminate it completely.


In this video, it picks up only a slight square wave ringing-sound:

'Real American Airlines Boeing 767 cockpit JFK to LAX (not a simulator or reenactment)'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnVECnp8fmQ

@ 4:59


'An Airphone does NOT use a noise cancelling microphone at all. If Ceecee Lyleswas in the passenger cabin she would be closer to the engines and the noise would be louder.'

Perhaps the perpetrators installed (an otherwise economically unviable) one in advance. If this video is to be believed, such technologies can be (imo) astonishingly effective:

'The Boom - Noise Canceling Microphone'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOSXglfOWgw

Posted by: NP1Mike Jan 26 2014, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (poppyburner @ Nov 21 2013, 04:02 PM) *
Oh really? So far I've read people mistake it as: "You did great", "Let us pray" and *cough* "It's a frame".


And I hear "It's a frame" clear as day as well.
The same "It's a frame" that the makers of September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor heard and included in their film.

Let me ask you this.
In the scenario we are both considering: that the passengers were on the ground making the calls, in a building, in a quiet room, do you think the perps would have passengers sitting next to each other
listening to each of their calls?

Coaching them and congratulating them, even before they hung up???

Of the three possible quotes above, which of the three makes the most sense, given the circumstances, with no passengers nearby, just a handler.

1. "You did great"
2. "Let us pray"
3. "It's a frame".

Posted by: poppyburner Feb 8 2014, 11:49 PM

QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 27 2014, 12:09 AM) *
Let me ask you this.
In the scenario we are both considering: that the passengers were on the ground making the calls, in a building, in a quiet room, do you think the perps would have passengers sitting next to each other
listening to each of their calls?


Possibly.

QUOTE
Coaching them and congratulating them, even before they hung up???


Presuming you mean the perpetrators: are you unfamiliar with the concept of http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incompetence?

The message doesn't even feature the expected cabin noise.

QUOTE
Of the three possible quotes above, which of the three makes the most sense, given the circumstances, with no passengers nearby, just a handler.

1. "You did great"
2. "Let us pray"
3. "It's a frame".


Presuming you mean the handler; then obviously 1.
I don't suppose that they had a pang of conscience and whispered a confessionary swansong.

QUOTE (Daniels @ Jun 25 2009, 04:21 AM) *
[quoting Leslie Landry]'This video has been posted a few times. In all honesty..it does not sound like "you did great" to me. it sounds more like "you need to pray".

IMO.

~Leslie'


I have previously downloaded this video and listened to it many times and I am convinced that the perp is saying "You did great".


~ http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17518

QUOTE (NotHappy)
You Did Great


Watch this video about the CeeCee Lyles call:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjNB9MGSoWc

I have never heard the end before. Lyles didn't hang up right away and you can hear another woman say, "You did great."

Has any heard this before?


~ http://letsrollforums.com/ceecee-lyles-t17044p2.html

Posted by: NP1Mike Feb 9 2014, 01:41 AM

Poppy you gotta get your ears cleaned out ASAP!

"It's a frame" is heard clear as a bell.

It can't be a handler coaching or congratulating her because it's THE SAME VOICE, just a whisper.


Posted by: NP1Mike Feb 9 2014, 03:52 PM

Let's think this one through logically.

But before we do, let's look at the obvious.

We both hear three words (contraction).
I hear "It's a frame".
You hear "You did great!"

With the third word it might be understood why 'frame' and 'great' could be confused. They both have a hard 'a' sound in them.

But how could you confuse 'It's' with 'You'?
or 'a' with 'did'?


Now let's get to the logical part.

Let's examine the time the comment was made in the message and the manner it was made.

First the *time*.
It was made at the very end of the message, just before she hung up the phone.

That is the most logical place to slip in a hidden message in the recording. At the beginng and middle, the handler(s) would be paying close attention for slip ups/deliberate sabatoge etc.

When they heard the call was wrapping up, their guard probably let up a bit.

If a comment such as 'You did great' was made, why make it during the conversation? Why not wait at least until the phone was hung up? Was it that urgent to congratulate so quickly?

Now, the *manner* in which the comment was made.

The comment was whispered.
This makes perfect sense for someone who was trying to hide it from her handler/captor.

A handler whispering a congratulation makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
Why would they whisper it?
Whispering something means they don't want someone else to hear it.
Do you think the handlers deliberately whispered congratulations in the recording because they didn't want the person who would play back the message to hear it, but they wanted CeeCee to hear it? Huh?

When you congratulate someone, you want them to hear it.
You wouldn't congratulate someone acting their part well, while they were still on the phone, you'd wait until they hung up and then, say it out loud, not whisper it.

The very fact that the comment was whispered, means it had to have been made by CeeCee.

And finally, CeeCee was also a cop, besides being a flight attendant.
As a cop you have the savvy to know when to make a comment such as she made and how to make it (whisper).
In addition, cops are very familiar with the terminology of 'frame'.

Posted by: tumetuestumefaisdubien Feb 9 2014, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 9 2014, 08:52 AM) *
We both hear three words (contraction).
I hear "It's a frame".
You hear "You did great!"

I've cut http://tumetuestumefaisdubien1.sweb.cz/Itsaframe.wav from the call (from the official flash version http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.html) using http://audacity.sourceforge.net/. I didn't use any filters, I've just put it repeated 5 times for listener to hear better. (you can of course let the player play it in the loop)
And I must say I really quite clearly hear there rather "It's a frame" than anything like "You did great!" (I don't hear there any "you", nor "did") or even "Let us pray" (-why somebody would whisper something like that anyway).

Posted by: NP1Mike Feb 9 2014, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 9 2014, 05:05 PM) *
I've cut http://tumetuestumefaisdubien1.sweb.cz/Itsaframe.wav

And I must say I really quite clearly hear there rather "It's a frame" than anything like "You did great!" (I don't hear there any "you", nor "did") or even "Let us pray" (-why somebody would whisper something like that anyway).



Thanks for taking the time to do that tume.
It was going to be my next project. smile.gif

Posted by: tumetuestumefaisdubien Feb 9 2014, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 9 2014, 12:16 PM) *
Thanks for taking the time to do that tume.
It was going to be my next project. smile.gif

This project just took me 15 minutes. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: poppyburner Feb 9 2014, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 9 2014, 05:41 AM) *
It can't be a handler coaching or congratulating her because it's THE SAME VOICE, just a whisper.


You mean: the same voice as Lyles'? Can you not hear the same whisperer earlier in the message, whispering whilst Lyles is speaking; plus (imo irritatingly) echoing her "very much", immediately after she uttered it?

QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 9 2014, 07:52 PM) *
You hear "You did great!"


Whoa whoa whoa! Stop right there. Let me quote myself, verbatim, from earlier in this thread:

QUOTE (poppyburner @ Nov 21 2013, 09:02 PM) *
oO(Excellent, she did everything I prompted her to and added a bit of convincing grief at the end.) "[Cheer up honey] It was great."


Though I have more sympathy with the "You did great!" crowd, than the "It's a frame!" proponents; this^ is consistently my interpretation.

QUOTE (NP1Mike)
Why not wait at least until the phone was hung up? Was it that urgent to congratulate so quickly?


Note: it was furtively whispered.
Lyles was used to make a second distress call that morning; so it would be desirable to keep her cooperative, hence the encouragement (albeit bętise).

QUOTE (NP1Mike)
Do you think the handlers deliberately whispered congratulations in the recording because they didn't want the person who would play back the message to hear it, but they wanted CeeCee to hear it? Huh?


Yeeees. They possibly underestimated how sensitive the phone's microphone was, and unluckily for them: the voicemail technology was incorrigible.

QUOTE (NP1Mike)
You wouldn't congratulate someone acting their part well, while they were still on the phone, you'd wait until they hung up and then, say it out loud, not whisper it.


Ideally yes. But this was likely a live performance, the desperate prompter would be under profound pressure and afforded no second take.


Posted by: tumetuestumefaisdubien Feb 10 2014, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (poppyburner @ Nov 21 2013, 10:02 AM) *
oO(Excellent, she did everything I prompted her to and added a bit of convincing grief at the end.) "[Cheer up honey] It was great."

Sorrry PB, but I again listened to http://tumetuestumefaisdubien1.sweb.cz/Itsaframe.wav for easier recognition what is whispered there and I certainly don't hear there "It was great" neither.
Quite surely I don't hear there a "was" or a "great".
Frankly, whole this debate looks to me a bit moot, because in both cases - either she whispered "It's a frame" (which I very much think is what I hear there and others too) or a handler cheering up the honey "It was great" (which I certainly don't hear there and I anyway would wonder anybody - just taking part in arguably worst criminal operation in the US history - would do that while the mock call is still on) - it would mean the whole OCT story is a BS anyway.

Posted by: paulmichael Feb 10 2014, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (poppyburner @ Nov 21 2013, 04:02 PM) *
Oh really? So far I've read people mistake it as: "You did great", "Let us pray" and *cough* "It's a frame".

Maybe what's heard at the very end of CeeCee Lyles' alleged call is neither "You did great" nor "It's a frame" but a flub, a hot microphone gaffe, on the part of a couple of techies who were using a computerized system to convert one of their own voices into that of CeeCee Lyles'.

In other words, they were working an audio avatar, of sorts, impersonating Ms. Lyles when the voice of one of those techies continued beyond an intended point of silent termination.

I vaguely remember a movie in which an old-time televangelist ruined his career by knocking his congregation big time in front of a so-called "hot mic."

For a rundown of numerous real life microphone gaffes, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microphone_gaffe in Wikipedia.

See my prior post on my positing: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22553

P.M.

Posted by: NP1Mike Feb 10 2014, 07:00 PM

QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 10 2014, 12:55 PM) *
Sorrry PB, but I again listened to http://tumetuestumefaisdubien1.sweb.cz/Itsaframe.wav for easier recognition what is whispered there and I certainly don't hear there "It was great" neither.
Quite surely I don't hear there a "was" or a "great".
Frankly, whole this debate looks to me a bit moot, because in both cases - either she whispered "It's a frame" (which I very much think is what I hear there and others too) or a handler cheering up the honey "It was great" (which I certainly don't hear there and I anyway would wonder anybody - just taking part in arguably worst criminal operation in the US history - would do that while the mock call is still on) - it would mean the whole OCT story is a BS anyway.



Agreed Tume, it is a moot point.

Poppy would you agree that whether CeeCee said "It's a frame" or the handler said "It was great" or "You did great" etc. etc. it all adds up to the same thing?

That is, a call made by CeeCee under the control of a handler.

Agreed?

Posted by: poppyburner Feb 11 2014, 11:49 PM

QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Feb 10 2014, 05:55 PM) *
Sorrry PB, but I again listened to http://tumetuestumefaisdubien1.sweb.cz/Itsaframe.wav for
easier recognition what is whispered there and I certainly don't hear there "It was great" neither.


Thank you for that Tume.
I just nervously clicked the link to re-evaluate the audio, which I had last listened to perhaps a couple of months ago.

To my relief, it continues to sound exactly as I've just described (though maybe with a little Israeli accent).

I would however, like to withdraw this embarrassment:

QUOTE (poppyburner)
...this was likely a live performance...


What if she had started laughing?
Not live; but I imagine that they had only a short time to review the contrivance, and most listeners (including the MSM, FBI, 9/11 Commission) seem oblivious to the tell-tale whispers.

QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien)
...I anyway would wonder anybody - just taking part in arguably worst criminal operation in the US history -
would do that while the mock call is still on) - it would mean the whole OCT story is a BS anyway.


Didn't I just answer that, in my last post?

QUOTE (NP1Mike)
...a call made by CeeCee under the control of a handler.

Agreed?


Definitely.

QUOTE
With the help of a flight attendant sitting next to him, [Todd] Beamer details the numbers of passengers and crew on the plane. He says the hijackers have divided the passengers into two groups, with ten of them in first class at the front of the plane, and 27 in the back. ...Beamer describes to [Verizon's Lisa] Jefferson two people on the floor in fist class, possibly dead. The flight attendant next to him can be overheard saying these are the plane’s captain and co-pilot.


~ http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=lisa_jefferson


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