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Garnet Bailey Background, Possible Reason for His Disappearance

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post Jan 5 2015, 02:41 PM
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My look at...

Garnett 'Ace' Bailey, passenger, Flight 175

Ace's career stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=169

Ace playing with WHA Oilers in '78-'79 season. Ace is #17 in the video in the first game action at 55 second mark.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnet_Bailey
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Garnet Edward "Ace" Bailey (June 13, 1948 – September 11, 2001) was a Canadian professional ice hockey player and scout who was a member of Stanley Cup and Memorial Cup winning teams. He died at age of 53 when United Airlines Flight 175 crashed into the World Trade Center in New York City during the September 11 attacks


Obit on Legacy:
http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/nwitimes/ob...mp;preview=True
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In 1994 he joined the LA Kings, where he was currently the Director of Pro Scouting


Ace was a real person. I saw him play on TV back in the day. I have played and followed hockey my whole life. With that in mind, I thought I would look into what could possibly be the reason for his 911 disappearance.

In 1987, the LA Kings were acquired by Bruce McNall who bought the team from Jack Kent Cooke. McNall then traded for Wayne Gretzky of Edmonton in the summer of 1988. All hockey fans were stunned by this trade (including me). Ace played on the same line with Gretzky in Edmonton's last year in the WHA during the '78-'79 season. Ace was a veteran to keep the very young Gretzky in line. Very common occurrence in the pro hockey for a vet to look after a rookie.

Wayne and Ace became good friends and Ace was hired by Bruce McNall to work in the scouting department in 1994. Gretzky was still with the Kings.

In 1994, McNall pled guilty to following charges:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_McNall
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In December 1993, McNall defaulted on a $90 million loan, and Bank of America threatened to force the Kings into bankruptcy unless he sold the team. He sold controlling interest in the Kings in May 1994 and resigned as chairman of the board of governors, though he still remained as president and governor of the Kings for a time.

Shortly afterward, he granted an interview to Vanity Fair in which he admitted smuggling many of his prized coins out of foreign countries. His claim of graduating from Oxford University was also debunked.

On December 14, he pleaded guilty to five counts of conspiracy and fraud, and admitted to bilking six banks out of $236 million over a ten-year period. He was sentenced to 70 months in prison. Immediately after his conviction, it emerged that his free-spending ways had put the Kings in serious financial jeopardy. They were ultimately forced into bankruptcy in 1995.The financial problems from the McNall era plagued the Kings for several years afterward.

McNall was released in 2001 after his sentence was reduced by 13 months for good behavior. He was on probation until 2006.


http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-15/spo...0_1_bank-frauds
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King President Bruce McNall was formally charged Monday with defrauding six banks of more than $236 million over 10 years in a long-awaited plea agreement with federal prosecutors, the culmination of a dizzying collapse that is virtually unprecedented in the sports business.

The four-count criminal information consists of two counts of bank fraud, one count of conspiracy and one count of wire fraud. In December, McNall plans to formally plead guilty to all counts, according to his attorney.


In Ace's playing days, salaries were below the other U.S. pro sports leagues. Hockey was and still is a ticket revenue generated sport. Players normally worked a second job in the off-season during the prime of Ace's career due to the low salaries.
1970 NHL average salary:
http://www.hhof.com/htmlTimeCapsule/t700.shtml

Drinking and gambling was not uncommon among players on a team. Hockey is a very close fraternity and 'what happens in the locker, stays in the locker room'. The pension for players that became vested was very low during Ace's prime years.

Rick Tochett was a longtime NHL player who was respected by all players. He played a very physical game and was also a scorer. Some say he will one day be elected into the NHL Hall of Fame. I think he has a shot at induction.

Rick Tocchet ran a gambling ring from '02-'06. Quite possibly this ring started even farther back. Gretzky and Tocchet were close friends. They coached together. Wayne's wife, Janet, was dragged into this case.

Tocchet gambling case:
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSN172...070817?irpc=932


I am one who feels that all 'plane' passengers are alive. The Ace Bailey mystery is unique because he was real. I think there is a decent chance that Bailey is tied into the McNall case and quite possibly the gambling case. Something tells me he was given the opportunity to avoid possible prosecution by agreeing to take part in 911 exercise.

I can't think of any other reason other than financial, at this time, concerning Ace's involvement in 911. There is another LA King scout that was on 175. Mark Bavis, 31 on 911, worked with Ace in the scouting department. I am looking into his background at this time and will post in this thread when I get enough info on him.

Both Ace and Bavis were living in Massachusetts at the time of 911 and were traveling back to LA for the start of the Kings training camp preceding the upcoming '01-'02 NHL season.
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post Jan 5 2015, 03:09 PM
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Thank you for this very interesting background info. I'm not sure how well it supports the idea of imaginary passengers, given that Bailey and Bavis had valid reason for being on flight 177.
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post Jan 5 2015, 05:55 PM
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If he is still alive, his "widow" is still milking the situation. See acebailey.org for the charity she started soon after 9/11.
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post Jan 5 2015, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (Truthissweet @ Jan 5 2015, 01:41 PM) *
My look at...

Garnett 'Ace' Bailey, passenger, Flight 175...


I am one who feels that all 'plane' passengers are alive.


Other than a gut feeling, do you have any evidence that any of the passengers are alive?

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The Ace Bailey mystery is unique because he was real.


You are contradicting yourself a bit here.
First you say you feel that all the plane passengers are alive.
Then you say that Bailey is unique because he was real.
How can all the other passengers be alive if they weren't real?

Also, do you really believe that no other passenger was real?
No other names spring to mind other than Bailey?
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post Jan 6 2015, 12:30 PM
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Other than a gut feeling, do you have any evidence that any of the passengers are alive?

No. And neither does anyone else. Hence, gut feeling.


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You are contradicting yourself a bit here.
First you say you feel that all the plane passengers are alive.
Then you say that Bailey is unique because he was real.
How can all the other passengers be alive if they weren't real?

Some think every passenger was a vicsim. The video proves that is not true. Real vs. aliases is what I am discussing. I am working on another passenger that is a much different case. Lets just say more hands on with passenger's family members. Only 25% done on that case.
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post Jan 6 2015, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE (Truthissweet @ Jan 6 2015, 11:30 AM) *
No. And neither does anyone else. Hence, gut feeling.



Some think every passenger was a vicsim. The video proves that is not true. Real vs. aliases is what I am discussing. I am working on another passenger that is a much different case. Lets just say more hands on with passenger's family members. Only 25% done on that case.


Well I know Barbara Olson was 'unique' too; because she was real.
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post Jan 6 2015, 01:24 PM
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Well I know Barbara Olson was 'unique' too; because she was real.


NP, I want this thread only about Bailey and Bavis. I have other things to post about them. Do me a favor, start a thread here in the Debate section about Olson and I will more than happy to discuss it. Thanks.
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post Jan 8 2015, 09:48 AM
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Mark Bavis, passenger, Flight 175

Why was this person on Flight 175 other than returning to Kings training camp? Not much on him right now.

Mark Bavis game action BU vs. Maine 11/15/91. He is #11 and takes a shot on goal at 7 second mark. Also 19 and 47 second mark is shown in detail.


(this is just for the record video)
Twin brother Mike 10/02/10 post-game press conference:


Mark Bavis college and minor league hockey stats:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=249

BU article on twins Mike and Mark Bavis
http://www.bu.edu/today/2011/remembering-mark/

Mike and Mark Bavis '92-'93 BU hockey stats
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues...0004491993.html

Bavis 911 lawsuit settled 9/20/11
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachus...h_suit/?camp=pm
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After nearly 10 years of wrongful death litigation, the family of Mark Bavis, a Roslindale native and a professional hockey scout killed in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, reached a settlement yesterday with United Airlines and its security contractor. The family was the lone holdout among the thousands that either accepted money from the $7 billion Victim Compensation Fund or settled their lawsuits.

Until now, Bavis family members had steadfastly refused to settle their suit, saying they wanted a trial so they could reveal just how woefully inadequate airport security measures were on the day the hijackers boarded at Logan International Airport.


The next post on current Kings owner will be much more interesting.
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post Jan 17 2015, 02:35 PM
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Had to post this while taking a break writing. The Ace Bailey video was removed. You would be surprised the number of vids on 911 that are no longer available on youtube. thumbdown.gif
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post Jan 18 2015, 02:01 PM
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Garnet Ace Bailey
Boston Bruins 1969-1970
#14 (Ace appears at 14 second mark and his name is mentioned by announcer five seconds later)



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Philip Anschutz, through his business, Anschutz Entertainment Group, is owner of the Los Angeles Kings.

Anschutz highlights
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz
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A member of the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, he is a conservative Christian. He and his wife Nancy, whom he met when he was 16, have three children.
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Anschutz is a somewhat reclusive man who prefers to stay out of the limelight. He hasn't granted a formal interview in over 30 years.
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In 1971, he acquired 9 million acres along the Utah-Wyoming border. This produced his first fortune in the oil business. In the early 1980s, the Anschutz Ranch, with its 1 billion barrel oil pocket, became the largest oil field discovery in the United States since Prudhoe Bay in Alaska in 1968. He sold a half-interest in it to Mobil Oil for $500 million in 1982.
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November 1993 he became Director and Chairman of the Board of Qwest, stepping down as a nonexecutive co-chairman in 2002, but remaining on the board. He has also been a Director for Pacific Energy Partners and served on the boards of the American Petroleum Institute, in Washington, D.C. and the National Petroleum Council in Washington, D.C.
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In May 2003, New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer reached a settlement with Anschutz after the AG filed a civil complaint accusing Anschutz of accepting IPO shares from Salomon Smith Barney in exchange for his firm, Qwest's, investment banking business. He continued to vehemently deny any wrongdoing but agreed pay a total of $4.4 million to settle the case. Anschutz paid $100,000 to each of 32 New York nonprofit groups that he selected, as well as $200,000 to each of six law schools. In return, Spitzer dropped his civil suit. The payment was roughly equal to his profit from the practice of IPO "spinning", thus he actually suffered no penalty. The controversial suit by Spitzer was panned in a Wall Street Journal editorial headlined, "The Anschutz Ransom". The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the U.S. Department of Justice extensively investigated Qwest officials, and determined that there was no justification for taking action against any board member. The Denver Post summarized the implications for Anschutz thus: "Not only is Qwest founder and board member Philip Anschutz not a defendant in the long-awaited civil case against the regime of former Qwest chief executive Joe Nacchio, he doesn't even merit a mention in the 50-page complaint."
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The Anschutz Entertainment Group (AEG) is a sporting and music entertainment presenter and a subsidiary of The Anschutz Corporation. It is the world's largest owner of sports teams and sports events, the owner of the world’s most profitable sports and entertainment venues, and under AEG Live the world's second largest presenter of live music and entertainment events after Live Nation.
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The Anschutz Foundation, founded in 1964, supports a broad variety of community service, cultural and arts groups, as well as health facilities and initiatives - all of which make up the vast majority of the Foundation's annual giving. It also provides grants to several public policy think tanks - which account for approximately 1.5% - 2.0% of the Foundation's grants.
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Anschutz has funded a number of conservative and Christian organizations including the following:

#The Foundation for a Better Life, organization founded in 2000 to promote "positive behavioral values;" it is neither anti-gay nor right-wing and has no political agenda; the Foundation communicates its message through television, outdoor advertising, theater, radio, and the Internet.
#Institute for American Values, which campaigns against same-sex marriage and against single parenting. The Institute has received three grants to date for a total of $17,500 over the lifetime of the foundation.
#Colorado for Family Values, the organization behind Colorado's anti-gay constitutional amendment, Amendment 2, approved by the voters in 1992 and later overturned by the US Supreme Court.
#Enough Is Enough, whose President and CEO is Donna Rice Hughes, the major figure in the sex scandal that ended the 1987 campaign of Gary Hart, in the Democratic presidential primary. The organization claims that it is "Lighting the way to protect children and families from the dangers of illegal Internet pornography and sexual predators".
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In 2009 Anschutz purchased the conservative American opinion magazine The Weekly Standard from Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation.
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http://www.macleans.ca/society/the-r...ilip-anschutz/
Back in 2000, Forbes estimated Anschutz’s worth in the $18 billion range. A year earlier, CNN had surmised that Anschutz was the largest single private landowner in the United States. It’s uncertain if that remains the case, but Anschutz still owns enormous swathes of the U.S., much of it oil and gas fields and ranchland.

That fortune was cut in half by the collapse of the telecom bubble (and Anschutz’s Qwest telecom giant) shortly after the 2000 Forbes article, but he regrouped and turned his attention — and financial firepower — to the world of sports and entertainment.
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http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/anschutz_philip
The Examiner's first edition, published February 1, 2005, ran an editorial entitled "Hope Blossoms Where Bush Plants Democracy." The editorial "featured glowing reviews of Bush's inaugural address, stating that he 'spoke with such eloquence of America's role in spreading liberty and democracy.' It went on to laud Bush's leadership as more successful than that of past foreign policy officials including James Baker, Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger, stating: 'Today there's a better chance of peace in the Middle East than the wise men of foreign policy achieved in their decades at the helm.'"




Edward Roski, also owner of Los Angeles Kings

Ed Roski
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_P._Roski

http://kings.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=41332
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As President and Chairman of the Board of one of the oldest and largest privately held real estate companies in the United States, Edward P. Roski, Jr., took over ownership of the Los Angeles Kings with Philip F. Anschutz in October, 1995. Mr. Roski’s expertise in real estate development played a key role as he helped lead the L.A. Arena Company’s efforts to create STAPLES Center in Los Angeles.
From Forbes


http://www.forbes.com/profile/edward-roski-jr/
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Edward Roski, Jr., is still vying with competitors to build a football stadium in Los Angeles, plans he first announced in 2008. He's president and board chairman of Majestic Realty Co., the industrial and commercial real-estate firm his father founded in 1948. Based in Los Angeles, the company is one of the country's largest privately owned industrial developers, with 70 million square feet of commercial real estate across the U.S.


Anschutz and Roski campaign contributions
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2...contributions/
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If Los Angeles Kings owners Ed Roski and Phil Anschutz had their way during last year's election, someone other than President Obama would be greeting the Stanley Cup champions Tuesday when they arrive in D.C. for the traditional White House fete. According to Sunlight's Influence Explorer, the Kings organization contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Republican candidates throughout the 2012 election cycle — almost all of which came from the pockets of Roski and Anschutz.

Kings' employees donated a combined $413,800 to candidates, political action committees and political independent expenditure groups. That's the second-highest total among National Hockey League teams, behind only the St. Louis Blues. All but $500 came from owners Roski and Anschutz; more than 92 percent of their donations fortified conservative causes — leaving only a modest $35,000 that went to Democrats.


More when time permits.
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Anschutz and Qwest

http://www.wired.com/2007/10/nsa-asked-for-p/
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Naccio was sentenced to 6 years in prison in 2007 after being found guilty of illegally selling shares based on insider information that the company’s fortunes were declining. Nacchio unsuccessfully attempted to defend himself by arguing that he actually expected Qwest’s 2001 earnings to be higher because of secret NSA contracts, which, he contends, were denied by the NSA after he declined in a February 27, 2001 meeting to give the NSA customer calling records, court documents released this week show.


http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5335553
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Naccio, handpicked by Anschutz to lead Qwest, is accused of selling $100.8 million in Qwest stock in early 2001 while he knew the company's finances were deteriorating.
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