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[lunk]

Another thing I have recently noticed is the strange colours of the clouds.

Is this the right shade of pink, for a morning sky?

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/IMG_6286.jpg)


Look at these colours for a sunset.

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/IMG_6225.jpg)

ooo, there's a plane.
...and it's leaving a trail.

How come you don't see grid patterns, geometric or iridescent clouds in old paintings?
Because these things are a recent phenomena in the sky, and are man made,
not natural.

imo, lunk

This post has been edited by lunk: Nov 20 2008, 09:02 AM

[dMz]

Another thing I have recently noticed is the strange colours of the clouds.

Is this the right shade of pink, for a morning sky?
...
How come you don't see grid patterns, geometric or iridescent clouds in old paintings?
Because these things are a recent phenomena in the sky, and are man made,
not natural.

imo, lunk

Like many of "my" country's "exports" lunk-

This one seems like Hollyweird to me [IMHO, and the hot-links haven't worked well in the past...]

Pretty in Pink (1986)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091790/

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[dMz]

Hey [alternately inhaling and exhaling "fresh" air]- wait a minute!

How do we know this isn't an evil Canadian plot to deliberately dumb down Amerika?!? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

[beatles64]

This is very Tesla-like in a way.....



I believe he claimed that his "teleforce" would cause the appearance of an aurora borealis in the sky before whatever crazy f'ing thing he expected to happen would happen.....



Tesla....what more can one say?

[lunk]

We have all been dumbed down equally.
Canadians were just a bit more smarter,
when it all started.

I don't know if it's just me getting old, but
I notice joint pains, sore muscles, pin prick pains
randomly on my skin, flu like symptoms in the morning,
that soon disappear, forgetfulness and...
I forget what else.
I wonder if these are the side effects of chemicals in the air.

Other than that I'm in perfect health.

This is what happened just before everything turned pink.

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/IMG_6283.jpg)

It's almost like these waves shake the chemicals out of the clouds.

[lunk]

Do you see what I see?

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/IMG_6273.jpg)

It's sort of like Find Waldo,
these waves are fleeting, they appear in the clouds
and are gone, like someone turned off a switch.

[dMz]

Lunk is likely already aware of the work of Dr. Nick Begich of Alaska, but here are some HAARP links:

http://www.earthpulse.com/src/category.asp?catid=1

http://www.orgone.org/articles/ax6-harp.htm

A "democrat" Begich just narrowly beat an incumbent Alaska Republican as I understand, but I'm not sure if the two Begiches are related.

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/1703

The Eastlund patent (and Jerry E. Smith's books) are some interesting reading IMHO.

http://www.bariumblues.com/haarp_patent.htm

[lunk]

The ionosphere is being used like a transistor,
it already has the naturally occurring high voltage electro-jet running through it,
and it appears that by inputting a few million watts, that power source can be amplified, directed and controlled.
The control of the ionosphere and the electro-jet with ground based radio waves can be
enhanced by the addition of Barium and other metals, and their salts to the atmosphere.
...like doping the germanium, shooting its' crystalline lattice full of holes.

imo, lunk

[dMz]

I believe he claimed that his "teleforce" would cause the appearance of an aurora borealis in the sky before whatever crazy f'ing thing he expected to happen would happen.....

Tesla....what more can one say?

For beatles64 and from the Eastlund patent linked above:

"Other References
Liberty Magazine, (2/35) p. 7 N. Tesla. .
New York Times (9/22/40) Section 2, p. 7 W. L. Laurence. ...."

[amazed!]

Good Grief! I hope we won't be seeing pictures of toast with the image of the Virgin Mary on it!

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[lunk]

Good Grief! I hope we won't be seeing pictures of toast with the image of the Virgin Mary on it!

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If that happens I'll try to get a picture, too.

I feel like I'm a tiny bug in a microwave oven.

This post has been edited by lunk: Nov 21 2008, 01:23 PM

[dMz]

NASA on aerosols (guess which part is accurate):

"Why do we care about aerosols?
Aerosols tend to cause cooling of the Earth's surface immediately below them. Because most aerosols reflect sunlight back into space, they have a "direct" cooling effect by reducing the amount of solar radiation that reaches the surface. The magnitude of this cooling effect depends on the size and composition of the aerosol particles, as well as the reflective properties of the underlying surface. It is thought that aerosol cooling may partially offset expected global warming that is attributed to increases in the amount of carbon dioxide from human activity. "

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Aerosols/

The Wiki actually looks fairly good to me on particulates and aerosols, at least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particulate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerosol_science

If you don't like the Wiki on Aerosol science, this looks better:

http://www.me.utexas.edu/~ezekoye/rsch.dir/aerosol.html

"Electro-coalescence

Aerosol particles will experience enhanced agglomeration dynamics when subjected to large electric fields."

Hmmm... speaking of acid rain, this was interesting:

"Soil biology and chemistry can be seriously damaged by acid rain. Some microbes are unable to tolerate changes to low pHs and are killed. [18] The enzymes of these microbes are denatured (changed in shape so they no longer function) by the acid. The hydronium ions of acid rain also mobilize toxins, e.g. aluminium, and leach away essential nutrients and minerals.[19]

2H+ (aq)+ Mg2+ (clay)is in equilibrium with 2H+ (clay)+ Mg2+(aq)

Soil chemistry can be dramatically changed when base cations, such as calcium and magnesium, are leached by acid rain thereby affecting sensitive species, such as sugar maple (Acer saccharum).[20][21]

...

Scientists have suggested direct links to human health.[24]. Fine particles, a large fraction of which are formed from the same gases as acid rain (sulfur dioxide and nitrogen dioxide), have been shown to cause illness and premature deaths such as cancer and other diseases[25]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain

[dMz]

I have seen this exact thing here in the Midwest numerous times

I now am carrying my trusty Canon power shot with me at all times. hopefully I'll record one of these, they aren't all that uncommon

Here you go Bill. I took this one about a week ago over "dry" western US skies. Looks like the pilot of "CT airlines" shut them down twice for the helluvit here, and I might have some of lunk's waves there too (I was in a moving vehicle when taking that).

(IMG:http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/7683/25pbroken0087zt3.th.jpg)

EDIT: Here is the same photo at a better server:
http://flickcabin.com/public/view/full/17559

Here's a chemtrail-heavy one from last month, taken out over the very low-population desert- go figure:

EDIT: According to David J. Travis of University of Wisconsin, "We actually found a much greater change in temperature range for parts of the country that normally get the greatest contrail coverage," said David J. Travis, of the University of Wisconsin in Whitewater. His team presented their results at an American Meteorological Society conference in Portland, Oregon.

Large contrails, he said, only form when the cruising-altitude atmosphere is both sufficiently moist and sufficiently cool (somewhere in the range of minus 40 to minus 65 degrees Celsius). The skies above the Southwest are typically too dry, and the skies above the deep South are too hot for extended contrail coverage.

These factors plus the varying density of air traffic over different parts of the country combine to make the skies in the Midwest and Northeast -- and, to a lesser extent, the Pacific Northwest -- particularly laden with contrails. "

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2002/05/52512

Ummm, so WTF am I seeing over the ~12% relative humidity desert below?

(IMG:http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/417/25p0080rb3.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img296.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif)

I see 2 legitimate contrails here, and something else:

(IMG:http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9985/25p0130jm1.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img153.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif)

Here is another legitimate contrail in a blue sky, but WTF is up with that other color of sky in the lower photo? That is not cloud cover, and there was frost on the windshield that morning (an outdoorsman's precipitation guide BTW).

(IMG:http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4359/25p0109ts2.th.jpg) (IMG:http://img92.imageshack.us/images/thpix.gif)

I frequent the remote, relatively "spray-free" areas of the US. I suspect that many deniers towing the USAF/NASA party line have grown accustomed to skies other than blue. I have not.

Reason for edit: updated link

[dMz]

You are exactly right--the moisture content and temperature of any given air sample has EVERYTHING to do with the appearance of contrails. I don't know why that is so difficult for some to grasp.

With all due respect amazed, do you remember my post #42 above?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10758431

BTW, I was once a chemistry major before I finally opted to gather my sheepskin in physics. Low pressure physics, cryogenics, and water/ice chemistry are a few of my professional experience "specialty" areas. Again, I'm no stranger to the concepts of condensation and evaporation (I've even built solar stills for survival applications and am considering building some larger-scale airwells to recover atmospheric moisture).

http://www.rexresearch.com/airwell2/airwell2.htm

Lunk, paranoia, and I provide links to 3+ publicly-available US patents, HEPA air filter tests that show off-the-chart hazardous metal levels, Cliff Carnicom's math/physics, photographic evidence, etc. The deniers provide their "say so" which coincidentally parallels the tired rhetoric of USAF, NASA, and EPA. Does anyone here still believe that the GUS agencies are completely honest and forthright? What is that 2-word catch phrase again that the "debunkers" are currently so fond of? I think some are conveniently forgetting about the evaporation/sublimation part regarding condensation trails and their alleged long-term duration. Weren't we taught it is a water cycle?

[dMz]

Move along, nothing to see here kids- NWS says it's all normal. They work for the US Dept. of Commerce after all, just like those fine scientists at NIST... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/fgz/science/contrail.php

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/images/fgz/science/contrail.jpg
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http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/images/fgz/science...ails040595a.gif [this one looks like Germany to me and claims to be Europe]
(IMG:http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/images/fgz/science/contrails040595a.gif)

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/images/fgz/science/contrail1.jpg
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http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/images/fgz/science/contrail2.jpg
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[lunk]

Here is a classic,
Jet flying above haze.
...I wonder what's in that haze...

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/IMG_6246.jpg)

I'm still waiting for enough rain to get a pH sample,
The wind overturned my stainless steel collector.
Will try again,

weather permitting

cheers, lunk

[amazed!]

dMole

I quickly and happily defer to your technical knowledge on such matters. And you have made somewhat of a case here with the information you provided a few weeks back.

And make no mistake, I have no doubt WHATSOEVER that our beneficent government would do such a thing.

My problems are that I have seen these things all my life, flown amongst them, and generated them myself. So, I consider them an ordinary part of the sky since man has been able to fly above 20,000 feet.

I would love to see some data about some recovered samples.

It would be interesting to know how to tell the difference between an ordinary contrail and one of these chemtrails.

[Lasthorseman]

Just my two cents worth on this subject.
For three solid weeks after the Katrina NOLA disaster no plane observed in my area north of Boston produced any contrail longer that about five plane lengths. Nothing hung in the sky and there was a complete absence of horizon to horizon contrails.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-517
http://ieet.org/archive/20061006-Regulatin...-Nanoethics.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller

[lunk]

Chemtrail or Contrail...
What about these "cloud waves"?

I have no recollection of lines in the clouds
when I was young.
I didn't start to notice them until fairly recently.

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/standingwaves2.jpg)

All these are from the day that started off pink.

(IMG:http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp210/rongrite/standingwaves.jpg)

I don't remember cloud shapes being so well defined.

Or multiple lines in overcast sky.

Am I that much of a lunk to have not noticed them before?

I remember some story about natives on an island being unable to see the ships at sea, for the first time, when they were right on the horizon, until they were described by the tribes elders.

I wonder if this is what is going on.

(edit) added

All those pictures in my last post were taken minutes (or less) apart.
The wires are the same in all pictures in this post and are between only two power poles.
These "cloud lines", though appearing in troughs, continued across my entire eastern view,
at that hour on...
er...
the day of the federal Canadian election?!

Another flipping coincidence?!


I can't say it's just my opinion, I took these pictures!

cheers, lunk

This post has been edited by lunk: Nov 22 2008, 09:48 PM

[Omega892R09]

Did you happen to see this 'meteor' lunk:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7744207.stm

I put the meteor in quotes because I figure you may have an alternative explanation. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)