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Pentagon 9/11 Flight 'black Box', Data File Created Before Actual 'Black Box'?

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post May 18 2008, 10:35 AM
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Pentagon 9/11 Flight 'Black Box' Data File Created Before Actual 'Black Box' Was Recovered?

http://www.911blogger.com/node/15636

A flight data file created by the downloaded Flight Data Recorder information of American Airlines flight 77 was created on Thursday, September 13, 2001 at 11:45pm.



However, as reported by USA Today, Pentagon spokesman Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance reported that the FDR for AA 77 was recovered on Friday, September 14, 2001 at 4am, 4 hours and 15 minutes after the creation of the AA 77 FDR data file.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Searchers on Friday found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders from the hijacked plane that flew into the Pentagon and exploded, Department of Defense officials said. The two "black boxes," crucial to uncovering details about the doomed flight's last moments, were recovered at about 4 a.m., said Army Lt. Col. George Rhynedance, a Pentagon spokesman.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/0...ntagon-fire.htm


What say Cooperative Research ?
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/searchR...n&search=Go

Flight 77’s damaged cockpit voice recorder. [Source: FBI]At around 3:40 a.m., investigators at the Pentagon recover the two “black boxes” from Flight 77. [Washington Times, 9/14/2001] These boxes are the plane’s flight data recorder and its cockpit voice recorder. [BBC, 9/15/2001

The boxes are taken to the National Transportation Safety Board’s office in Washington, but are reclaimed by the FBI later on in the morning. [Washington Times, 9/14/2001]

A new mistake from the 'fakers' team ?

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post May 18 2008, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE (Voltaire @ May 18 2008, 08:35 AM) *
Pentagon 9/11 Flight 'Black Box' Data File Created Before Actual 'Black Box' Was Recovered?


Wouldn't surprise me any.
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post May 18 2008, 11:36 AM
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When i download the fdr file :
Orignial L3 Compressed Raw AA77 FDR File

from : http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...4&st=0&

I obtain this :




The hour is 17:45 (5:45 PM) against 11:45 PM on 911blogger.
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post May 18 2008, 12:47 PM
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Undertow has a thread on this around here somewhere... i'll email him.. .hopefully he can dig it up...
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post May 19 2008, 07:58 AM
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More info in this thread:
AA77 > The NTSB Evidence
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=8240

Basically yes, the file I received from the NTSB (I was 1st btw) was created before the actual hardware was reportedly recovered.
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post May 19 2008, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE (UnderTow @ May 19 2008, 12:58 PM) *
More info in this thread:
AA77 > The NTSB Evidence
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=8240

Basically yes, the file I received from the NTSB (I was 1st btw) was created before the actual hardware was reportedly recovered.

Thanks for the answer. So, I think this post can be deleted.
I will give my thinking in your post.
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post May 19 2008, 12:15 PM
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Wow, Voltaire! This is big! great introductional post!

Why is this never mentioned in Pandoras Black Box?

For me, it sounds absolutely similar to the BBC reporting
WTC7's collaps 20something minutes prior to the actual collaps,
with the slight difference, that the NTSB isn't some foreign news
broadcaster but a federal agency. So it is much bigger.

Do I overvalue this? Is here anyone who knew this?

This is the 2nd HUGE indication for govt. involvement in cover up!

First, they provide data before they reportadly actually got it themself
and then they omit or delete the altimeter setting for local barometrical pressure
on descent to make the plane in the animation look lower than actual!

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When you see two of the same things occur, it's a pattern.
When you see three of the same things occur, it's a program.



Do we have to wait for the 3rd?
Rob? UT? Calum?
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post May 19 2008, 02:37 PM
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Thanks UT!
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Moved from Pentagon section to AA77 section
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Check out this article gleaned from Prison Planet.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may20..._b_Pentagon.htm

As we all know, nothing hit the Pentagon. Still we have to have data to confuse truth seekers.
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post May 20 2008, 07:06 AM
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QUOTE (Carl Bank @ May 19 2008, 05:15 PM) *
Wow, Voltaire! This is big! great introductional post!

Why is this never mentioned in Pandoras Black Box?

For me, it sounds absolutely similar to the BBC reporting
WTC7's collaps 20something minutes prior to the actual collaps,
with the slight difference, that the NTSB isn't some foreign news
broadcaster but a federal agency. So it is much bigger.

Do I overvalue this? Is here anyone who knew this?

This is the 2nd HUGE indication for govt. involvement in cover up!

First, they provide data before they reportadly actually got it themself
and then they omit or delete the altimeter setting for local barometrical pressure
on descent to make the plane in the animation look lower than actual!


Actually, these anomalies were observed by Pilotfortruth and enumerated by Undertow in this thread in august 2007 :
Link

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The FDR is not Documented per any investigative or crime scene procedure
The Factual Report (and in reference the CSV Output) directly and factually conflict with the 'Damage Path'
A 2nd independent readout of the raw file further supports these conflicts, and adds even more.
There is no Serial Number
There is no picture
There is no final output (see the UA93 Factual Report + others)
There is zero documentation
The FDR is reported recovered at 3:40AM 9/14/2001
The RAW file is timestamped at 5:45PM 9/13/2001
The NTSB Reports are from Jan-Feb 2002.


The summary of this make obvious that the FDR is a fake and make it a very ambigous reference.

It would be more expedient to show all the contradiction and inconsistency of the pentagon's case, than move forward explanation and theories who are not based on solid evidence. That lead also to interminable discussion and controversies, that is not good for us and on the contrary is profitable and even intended by our opponents.

We have so much better argument on the Wtc, flight 93, Norad, hijackers, insider trading, etc
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post May 20 2008, 12:20 PM
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If the FDR is fake, its as alarming as it being real due to the fact it comes from a govt source and is claimed to be coming from AA77. Those who ignore the FDR evidence (and it is evidence that can be used in a court of law) due to the fact they think its "fake", only do themselves a disservice.


The FDR (any FDR) is actually very strong evidence when speaking in terms of the law, again, due to the fact the NTSB/FBI are touting it as real and coming from AA77.
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QUOTE (Voltaire @ May 20 2008, 12:06 PM) *
Actually, these anomalies were observed by Pilotfortruth and enumerated by Undertow in this thread in august 2007 :
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The summary of this make obvious that the FDR is a fake and make it a very ambigous reference.

It would be more expedient to show all the contradiction and inconsistency of the pentagon's case, than move forward explanation and theories who are not based on solid evidence. That lead also to interminable discussion and controversies, that is not good for us and on the contrary is profitable and even intended by our opponents.

We have so much better argument on the Wtc, flight 93, Norad, hijackers, insider trading, etc


But hey we didn't shove it in PP's face so how would they know?

Oh yeah that's right, a little research and open communcation.

I sometimes hate PP and AJ's horseshit.
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post May 21 2008, 05:50 PM
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Ofcource it is very almarming if the FDR is fake.

If so, it is one of the biggest argument 9/11 related.
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post Sep 23 2008, 01:43 PM
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After asking myself, what is really known about who found the flight data recorder, when and where exactly, and noticing all the mind boggling contradictions in the reports, I just stumbled over this CNN article. http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/america.attack/
In it, under latest development, it says:
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In Washington, signals are being picked up from a flight data recorder from American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, according to one of the search and rescue leaders.
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Note the date of the article: September 13, 2001 Posted: 11:29 p.m.

So at least one "source" implies that the FDR was found on Sep 13.
I know that the NTSB report explicitely mentions Sep 14.
Somebody got something wrong...

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QUOTE (Voltaire @ May 18 2008, 12:36 PM) *
When i download the fdr file :
Orignial L3 Compressed Raw AA77 FDR File

from : http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...4&st=0&

I obtain this :




The hour is 17:45 (5:45 PM) against 11:45 PM on 911blogger.


Yeah... Try setting your timezone for EST and looking again...

This is what I get :



That would give them 45 - 85 minutes to transport the FDR and retrieve the data, depending on who's time of discovery you use.

That is still a very narrow window, but doable if the damage to the FDR was not severe.
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post Sep 23 2008, 10:12 PM
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JFK, you have the Italian file, set to EST, which is not my file, which originated in EST. Please check and fix your post.
The file is date IS 9/13/2001 5:45PM

P66,
About your source, 'signals' means a beacon picked up by a 'radio' meant to locate black boxes. If that report is true as someone reported, well that's another problem I think.

According to official "pictures" of the recovery 'boxes' the Locator Beacon was destroyed and/or not attached to the "recovered" black boxes. So where they found the 'signal' source, it was not with FDR.

There is no wiggle room. The source date is 1/2 a day before the 'reported' recovery and who knows who really saw it after that. If it even exists anymore.
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[Mod edit: 911 blogger link]
9/11 Aircraft 'Black Box' Serial Numbers Mysteriously Absent
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See related thread and post #17 of:

Download AA77 NTSB Data

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10764344

EDIT: See also:

FBI Only Worked Crime Scene For 5 Days
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15401

Army Corps Of Engineers In Doubt Of Official Location Of Aa77 Fdr Discovery
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=15542
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Related information can be found at post #23 on the "Pentagon Rotated..." thread near here:

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....&p=10764257
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