Time For 911 Truth To Become 911 Justice, A call to unite behind prosecution of Giuliani for destroying steel Options

[Munkle]

AT http://dailypaul.com/node/154670

As the percentage of the population which no longer believes the Official Conspiracy Theory of 911 pushes past fifty percent, some point out, "So what?" Ten years after the Warren Commission the number of Americans who believed the government was lying about the Kennedy assassination was up to 70 percent, yet nothing happened. No prosecutions, no re-opened investigation. What is to guarantee that the 911 Truth movement will not go the same way, and recede into the fog of history until the perpetrators have died natural deaths and there is no one left who can be held criminally accountable? Unless the sins of the father pass on to the son, the deed will be accomplished and the new order and its beneficiaries will be established.

But 911 differs from the Kennedy assassination in a number of ways. Kennedy was one American royal whose family has united behind the official account of his death. A physically courageous man, he knew the arena he was entering had its dangers, as any president does. The 911 victims were 3000 innocents engaged in the most routine activity of all: going to work. Family survivors have stepped forward to plead for justice in the BuildingWhat.org television ad.

Even the Kennedy assassination did not change the course of not just American, but world history, as did 911, sparking a global assault on Muslims and greatly strengthening all state security apparatuses in the name of the Global War on Terror. Intimidation of populations through searches, surveillance, and loss of basic rights reaches from New York to London to Sydney.

An ever-growing share of wealth is being sapped by military industries many years after the end of the Cold War, with Aerovironment now working on an unmanned aerial weapons platform, a drone, the size of a 747. Because of 911 the projects are merely announced, never debated, each one bigger than the last.

One last and very important difference is that 911 Truth is the first Internet-powered, worldwide social justice movement in history, and the extent to which it has enabled sophisticated exchange of information among the masses is perhaps one factor that the planners of 911, probably 10 years in the making, did not count on. Never before was it possible for a college student in Boston to engage anonymously in debate with a housewife in west Texas, whose paths would otherwise never cross. These take place with almost unlimited access to exhibits providing rebuttal and counter-rebuttal. Degrees of separation can be leaped over in a single bound and sifted information propagated throughout entirely different communities. This electronic interconnection of society into a massive, deliberative town hall is a completely new development.

The perpetrators are completely aware of the dangers of this new development, and its potential for cutting through propaganda as fast as it can be created. It meets the threat with real-time disinformation and the tactic perfected by the former Eastern Bloc of equating dissent with insanity. High profile dissidents wound up not in work camps but insane asylums. The plan of the disinformation campaign is to bog the movement down in the minutia of the inconsistencies and lies surrounding the official story, in order to distract attention from the fact that enough clear evidence of crimes already exists to bring indictments, beginning, first and foremost, with the felony destruction of evidence, under the command of the former Mayor of the City of New York, Rudy "Ran Like a Coward" Giuiliani. This is the name which was according to His Honor by firefighters in honor of his flight up Vessey Street.

These may be harsh words, but these are harsh times: those with the audiences, such as Alex Jones, are henceforth only playing into the hands of the myth perpetuation machine if they lack a strong call for the indictment of Rudy for the felony destruction of the critical evidence to the collapses, the WTC steel. Rudy's destruction of evidence is the elephant in the room.

For what should be going through our minds as the disinformationists spin their webs and toss out words like "debunked" accompanied by naked links leading down rabbit holes, to ludicrous sites like 911myths (which is astonishing for how it turns on a dime and changes subject when up against a question it cannot answer) is: Why are we even guessing? Why is the debris from the Pentagon not laid out and reconstructed, and made available for public inspection? The entire aura of secrecy on the part of the government is in itself enough to convict. Is it for national security, to keep terrorists from knowing what planes they themselves flew?

Every single piece of modern commercial aircraft is redundantly labeled because airliner crashes are such enormous tragedies. In the manufacture of aircraft every effort is made to help crash investigators, an elite profession, piece together what happened. We don't need to guess what hit the Pentagon. The government need only show us the parts which were found, and experts will nail it probably within minutes. But all the debris disappeared, probably destroyed.

Rudy has no defense. As a former federal prosecutor he knew it was a felony, and in destroying 95% of the WTC steel, he not only destroyed evidence, he destroyed exhibit A. The line running to Guiliani is secure as the contracting authority for the City of New York, which hired Metals Management and other companies to haul the steel away from Ground Zero, load it onto barges, and ship it off to China to be melted. It doesn't matter if someone else in turn gave Rudy an order. Local jurisdictions always bear primary responsibility for securing the crime scene and the chain of custody for all evidence. Local authorities can choose to protect their evidence from all other purported authorities at gunpoint.

Time to sit Rudy down, an open-and-shut case, and get him talking. Grab that piece of yarn, and start pulling. Arguing any further over the temperature of office fires should be secondary.

We need not know the precise temperature of the office fires. It is enough to know that phone records released by the FBI show Todd Beamer's cellphone making calls to Woodbridge, NJ all day until 9pm that night, long after his plane had crashed (any incoming call would say "incoming" on the phone bill.) Why has Glenn Cramer, the supervisor who took the call from Edward Felt on flight 93, been gagged by the FBI? What is the purpose of gagging anyone unless you have something to hide?

Why did the government try to put over a clearly fake bin Laden in a "confession" video, which the CIA confirmed is actually bin Laden? Anyone can see his nose is too short, his forehead is too broad, higher cheekbones, differently shaped face.

Why did Building 7 fall? Why were 5-ton pieces of steel beam cut and shot upward and laterally at 50 - 70 MPH like confetti, for 600 feet (twice the width of the towers) and embedded in adjacent buildings? Why was the incendiary explosive thermite found in the dust when a single speck of it should have re-opened the investigation? Why was molten steel found in the basements for months afterwards which is impossible from a gravitational collapse? Witnesses say they thought the plane circling the Pentagon was a "military pilot," because of nearly 90 degree bank turns like a Blue Angel (nose down, without flipping the plane or going into a tailspin, at 400 MPH?)

Enough. Is destruction of evidence a crime or isn't it?

No single question is greater than the overwhelming weight of questions. Nothing more will be answered without subpoenas, cross-examination, and the threat of impeachment of testimony and possible perjury sentences. Start with Rudy.

Former Army War College Director of Studies Dr. Alan Sabrosky has suggested that local veterans' posts like the VFW are the key, saying the veterans lobby is a sleeping giant which knows not its power. Sabrosky argues that stepping forward for 911 truth was not easy for him, but that he once took an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic, and that oath did not "go away" upon retirement or return from a war zone.

Local posts should hold press conferences before local, not national, news media, as local TV news is not as "bought out," says Sabrosky, and serves its own constituencies.

They should issue calls to their local DAs to issue an arrest warrant for Rudy Giuliani, which the "effects" doctrine of the law allows in cases in which harm is spread across jurisdictions. Enough of arguing about fire temperatures. In 2001 the 911 Truth movement must make the transition to 911 Justice.

CONTACT LOCAL VFW POSTS

This post has been edited by Munkle: Jan 19 2011, 01:45 PM

[amazed!]

I'm totally sympathetic, but the rule of law in this country was pronounced DOA some years back.

Dennis Kucinich tried to impeach Bush for his admitted violations of law, but Nancy Pelosi blocked his attemp.

So, best of luck.

[Johnny Angel]

Notify the VFW.. I stopped into the local VFW with a friend. When I mentioned 911, the guys at the table immediatly changed the subject to sports. I made another comment, We went to fight for this country in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afganastan etc etc etc, dont it bother you guys that the Money Changer Capitalists are selling the Communists the rope to hang us with. Again not even a dirty look, change the subject.

Most guys go to the VFW or American Legion for cheap drinks and fish dinners.

One Bartender told me that I should try my luck at talk radio...

[albertchampion]

i cannot believe that you think that appealing to any veterans group would get you a hearing.

for decades, i have found the organized veteran groups in the usa tantamount to the post ww2 german odessa.

no matter what, it is usa uber alles.

i ask you to reflect upon how those groups have dealt with all those that richard nixon, gerald ford and so many others at the highest levels of the pentagon were more than willing to leave behind in seasia. when they could have been repatriated. when the vietnamese were more than willing to repatriate them.

the two stand-out veterans[patriots?] who closed investigations into those left behind were john mccain and john kerry.

and so that you get a clearer picture of the political leadership in the usa, do you recall the cnn story concerning operation tailwind? succinctly, it was the story of how the usa decided that all us soldiers[principally infantry] imprisoned by the vietnamese, the laotians, the cambodians were not really prisoners, but deserters. and that the usg decided to exterminate them so that they would be unable to tell their stories of fair treatment, etc.

the usmc ran at least one prisoner extermination operation out of danang. a usmc colonel who ran a segment of these us prisoner assassination ops was featured in a book entitled SPITE HOUSE. during the usg murdering of the tailwind story, a murdering applauded by the us populace, by the way, this undeniable story was buried.

the investigators who authored the tailwind piece, april oliver, jack smith were cashiered. the reason was that they had perpetrated a fraud.

the most amazing thing was how admiral thomas moorer, former chairman jcs, in the throes of dementia was manipulated to renounce the records he revealed to oliver and smith.

and it was little discussed during that era how it had been that moorer had enabled an espionage cabal to survey the nixon-kissinger regime. principally because moorer knew that nixon and kissinger were going to cut and run and leave scores of us military personnel imprisoned in seasia.

for most citizens of the usa, they were more than willing to believe that oliver and smith had committed some form of journalistic fraud. this was reinforced by rush limbo for all of his dittoheads.

and that is the situation that stymies all efforts to look beyond the official story of that day in september. sad to say it, but virtually no citizen wants to consider that its government is a vast criminal conspiracy. even when the facts hit them upside the head.

in all my years, i have determined that virtually no citizens want a democratic republic. they are more than pleased to be like the inhabitants of 1930's germany. or 1030's soviet union.just give us some bread, let us live another day. we shall love the manacles for a bit of gruel.

today's usa. and yesterday's. and tomorrow's.

[amazed!]

I knew a guy in that Tailwinds operation, and as I recall he wrote a book about it by the same name.

He was Robert VanBuskirk, former Special Forces.

[Johnny Angel]

i have found the organized veteran groups in the usa tantamount to the post ww2 german odessa.

the two stand-out veterans[patriots?] who closed investigations into those left behind were john mccain and john kerry.

I just received a call from Veteran for Peace to renew my membership, and asked if I was interested in paticiapating in anti-war demonstrations...

Another good Veterans group is, Veterans Today. Gordon Duff posts quite a bit of information about 911.
Veterans today is a good source for veterans infomation and news.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/

Operation Tailwinds.. I did a search and a lot of reading. Apocolyse Now. IT is quite amazing that John McCain & John Kerry helped to cover-up the covert events of Viet-Nam. Its even more amazing that these same men moved to the top of the US Govt as senators and Presidental Canidates.

Pure speculation.. Maybe John Kerry`s swiftboat was the story behind Apocolyse Now..

Guarenteed Cover-up.

This post has been edited by Johnny Angel: Jan 21 2011, 03:47 PM

[amazed!]

Institutionalized cover-up

[Munkle]

Notify the VFW.. I stopped into the local VFW with a friend. When I mentioned 911, the guys at the table immediatly changed the subject to sports. I made another comment, We went to fight for this country in Viet Nam, Iraq, Afganastan etc etc etc, dont it bother you guys that the Money Changer Capitalists are selling the Communists the rope to hang us with. Again not even a dirty look, change the subject.

Most guys go to the VFW or American Legion for cheap drinks and fish dinners.

One Bartender told me that I should try my luck at talk radio...

At least the bartender was open. I've done the same with impeach Bush in 2006, a guy told me they found the WMD, after Fox reported the rotted sarin shells so weak that when one was used in an IED they said it didn't even make you itch as much as pepper spray.

I'm not talking about the drinkers at the bar, I'm talking about an agenda item for the - what? Quarterly? - post meetings where they discuss if they're going to get the roof fixed and how much is in the kitty. Ask for a general meeting vote. If enough guys don't care enough to try to stop it (apathy can be our friend here) it could pass. Whoever is running the ball calls Fox News and sends a press release, say local vet post has an important announcement about terrorism and 911 and say 'hey we risked our asses for you guys whaddya mean you won't cover our press conference?' and Fox swings by to see what the fuss is about. Maybe it plays, maybe it doesn't, but word gets out and other guys at other posts get the idea and someone else does it. The beauty is there are thousands of posts, there must be a few activists in some of them. The Veterans for Peace guys for instance.

The main point is vets are hard to ridicule and shout down, the media will be forced to give somewhat respectful treatment unlike the rest of us. Bottom line is no one really knows what sparks the next velvet revolution, in Tunisia it was some guy who lit himself on fire. All I'm saying is this stands as good a chance as anything. I didn't spend all this time learning the truth to stop now and say, well that's it, they got away with. If that was the end then what's the point of learning it in the first place? If you can't do anything?

No one said getting a hearing would be easy at vet posts and it may take a number of tries. Keep in mind NYC 9-11-11, this is a special year. Tunisian people win their freedom after the army refuses to fire on the protesters, maybe in part thanks to wikileaks, and people are WAKING UP! You didn't do all this work and research all these years just to watch those bastards walk away without even trying to give them a fight. Family survivors are on the air in NYC.

I'm not saying the posts will jump at it. Saying we need a few guys to HERD them and even buy them a $1.25 beer to vote yes. There's bound to be plenty of guys who'll say hell I don't care if they prosecute or investigate or WTF, and if it's so all-fired important to ol Bob over there I'll give him a vote, I'm not against it, either. The old down and outer who casts the tie-breaker vote yes, funnier things have happened, winds up saving his country all over again, if it sparks something. How poetic that would be.

Alright, this is just a long-winded way of saying, hell, it's worth a try.

Tunisian Army refuses to fire on protesters:
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Tunisian...revolt_999.html

BuildingWhat? TV ad
http://world911truth.org/nfl-great-to-matc...what-donations/

good movie clip
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This post has been edited by Munkle: Jan 23 2011, 01:35 AM

[Munkle]

The first American Rev was 10 years in the winning, and Valley Forge was a bitch. Those guys didn't do all that so it could end this way.

[rob balsamo]

The first American Rev was 10 years in the winning, and Valley Forge was a bitch. Those guys didn't do all that so it could end this way.

Did you know.. .that if Cornwallis defeated Washington... we would be speaking English?

[amazed!]

That's good Rob--you might be a comedian and don't know it! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

I agree that "people are waking up" in some sense. When Napolitano and Rivera on Faux News ACTUALLY and seriously discuss WTC 7, things have changed to some degree.

[rob balsamo]

That's good Rob--you might be a comedian and don't know it! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

I cant claim it as mine... i saw it on FB and thought it was pretty funny.... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Munkle]

Did you know.. .that if Cornwallis defeated Washington... we would be speaking English?

Right, now back to reality. This is America, speak Spanish! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[23investigator]

Right, now back to reality. This is America, speak Spanish! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Gentlemen

The reality is that your Nation is in a FFF --rightful mess.
Not to say that the same influences are not trying to 'ply their trade' in many others, because clearly they are, for a long time now, not very imaginitively though, and whilst perhaps not much is being done to counteract it at the moment, PEOPLE THROUGH OUT THE WORLD, can clearly see it and identify parts of their lives to it.
Apathy, is not unique to your Nation, it is every where in varying degrees, but here is your REAL AUDIENCE, gentlemen, the SLEEPING GIANT, of HUMANITY, morality and decency.

Robert

ps A great AMBASSADOR for your NATION just graced our shores.
Compare her welcome here to another, who attended not long before, whisked around in big black cars, with security at evey corner and hole in the ground.
What better demonstration could we have of the incredible DIFFERENCE that is possible.

[Johnny Angel]

Did you know.. .that if Cornwallis defeated Washington... we would be speaking English?

If Cornwallis defeated Washington.. We would have National Health Care..

IF Germany or Japan had won WW2.. We would have National Health Care.
Instead, the USA wins WW2, we rebuilt the losers, they give up War and spend thier wealth on the people while the USA spends the wealth on World Militray Domination.. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[amazed!]

Excellent post Johnny Angel, and just too damn true!