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The Manmade Origin Of Hiv

bill
post May 8 2008, 09:20 AM
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http://www.onlinejournal.com/health/102605...02605mazza.html
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post May 8 2008, 12:23 PM
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Thanks bill! This pits perfectly into a discussion we're having on another forum.
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post May 11 2008, 02:51 AM
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Great article, Bill.
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post May 13 2008, 01:25 AM
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This is a load of BS.

If you want some real dissident views on the HIV/Aids issue. I suggest that you look up scientist Peter Duesberg or Thabo Mbeki.

There are several thousands of top notch scientists who do not believe that HIV causes AIDS.
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Nice back up of your assertions, Nag

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QUOTE (bill @ May 14 2008, 04:13 AM) *
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Well, I could give you a couple of links. I disovered this issue just a couple of months ago.

Peter Duesberg. Professor at Berekley Is the most known of the HIV/AIDS dissenters. He has been critical of the official theory since almost from the beginning. HIV is supposed to be a retrovirus. Duesberg is THE expert on retroviruses. According to him all retroviruses are harmless passenger viruses that has been with us as long as mankind. Link to his site.

http://www.duesberg.com/

Here is list of people approx. 2500 who questions the official theory. Most of them have Phd's. They are of course completly blacked out in mainstream massmedia.

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm
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post May 14 2008, 08:51 AM
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"He (Duesberg) has instead proposed the hypothesis that the various American/European AIDS diseases are brought on by the long-term consumption of recreational drugs and/or AZT itself, which is prescribed to prevent or treat AIDS. "

Oh, yeah right

People in African villiages (not to mentiont the children born with AIDS ) have been consuming recreational drugs and AZT

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post May 14 2008, 10:45 AM
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I have been aware of the alternative theory regarding HIV/AIDS for a while. To me it doesn't make any sense, but then Im not a scientist.

If you've ever had friends who went from healthy to dead in a matter of weeks, you also might question that theory. I also have friends who have been living with AIDS for many years, two decades in one instance.
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QUOTE (Oceans Flow @ May 14 2008, 02:45 PM) *
I have been aware of the alternative theory regarding HIV/AIDS for a while. To me it doesn't make any sense, but then Im not a scientist.

If you've ever had friends who went from healthy to dead in a matter of weeks, you also might question that theory. I also have friends who have been living with AIDS for many years, two decades in one instance.


Is it possible that a lot of things get grouped under AIDS to sell expensive drugs and therapy?
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post May 14 2008, 11:21 AM
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That is one part of the alternative theory that HIV does not cause AIDS.

I don't know what to believe. My gut tells me that AIDS is definitely a real disease. If you've ever seen someone die of it you might agree. The original theory at the top of this thread makes the most sense to me, and is backed up by historical fact.
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QUOTE (bill @ May 14 2008, 01:51 PM) *
"He (Duesberg) has instead proposed the hypothesis that the various American/European AIDS diseases are brought on by the long-term consumption of recreational drugs and/or AZT itself, which is prescribed to prevent or treat AIDS. "

Oh, yeah right

People in African villiages (not to mentiont the children born with AIDS ) have been consuming recreational drugs and AZT

BS



and this

http://www.rethinkingaids.com/quotes/rethinkers.htm

list of so called signatures is meaningless



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Well, I am not here to discuss alternative HIV/AIDS theories. But, I continue for a while at least.


AIDS is a real decease that's for sure. It is a immunodeficiency syndrome. Basically you lack T cells. This means that you are not protected from opportunistic deceases.

According to Duesberg and co. AIDS is not contagious and it is not sexually transmitted. In the US and Europe AIDS has not spread outside the risk groups (mainly Gaypeople and drug users) as projected. If it had been a sexually transmitted decease it would have spread to the heterosexual community and would have been equally distributed between men and female. But still 90 % of AIDS patients are men.

In Africa the situation is very different. It is spread among heteros and equally distributed between men and women. So it is a different epidemiological situation. According to the AIDS heretics. AIDS in Africa is a situation that has always been there. It is caused by malnutrition and bad sanitation. Poor people living in very tough environments where your immuno system gets hammered by many different viruses. Eventually your defenses breaks down and you get sick. The cure is not drugs from big pharma. The cure is nutrition and better living conditions.

So why is the list of 2500 prominent scientists protesting against the official AIDS theory meaningless?

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