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What To Expect If Your Airplane Flys Through A "chemtrail"

MikeR
post Mar 15 2014, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 16 2014, 02:00 AM) *
But this information is good to know... it has saved me time and effort putting together my proposal, not to mention the fact clearly there isn't much interest in gaining/funding the research.. so I will no longer waste my time trying.. So I thank you for posting it MikeR.

I guess what we do now is sit back and wait for the film to be released.... if ever....


The funding thing is a total red herring, Rob.

I personally attempted on occasions to gain crowd-funding as it was/is called
to produce various commercially-sensitive lines in the T-shirt business.
My miserable success bore zero relationship to the method of raising finance.
Many people have made fortunes with the exact process I employed.

Don't wait for Herr Hancke's video: grab the principle with an open mind and
continue the testing scientifically at the levels and in the locations where testing
can and will produce results.... either that or just concentrate on the excellent, er,
ground-work that's being ongoing for years.

One closing thought: stratospheric aerosol spraying in military secrecy has
obvious implications many will find totally impossible to get their head round.

Therefore you tell yourself the lines in the sky are contrails, because you can NOT
imagine any organization forming part of government would intentionally harm
its citizens.

I can, and I do.

But it's been a fairly long uphill battle; and not just because I'm a slow reader.

MikeR

PS Thanks for your patience with the slow typer

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rob balsamo
post Mar 15 2014, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Mar 15 2014, 11:12 AM) *
Don't wait for Herr Hancke's video:


You introduce the information regarding flight testing saying my proposal has "already been done", then ask me to sit through a 2 hr 40 min interview on the topic.... then when asked why should I waste my time, you finally provide an interesting summary of the contents and tell us "to be continued"... now you tell us don't bother?

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In other words, Hancke is not going to release anything and ran off with 13k of donor cash?

This flight testing was supposedly done in 2009 and the videos have still yet to be released. I have made 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, 9/11: Intercepted, and Skygate in the same amount of time!

If this supposed "research" were so detrimental and grave to the public at large, why hasn't he released the tapes in nearly 5 YEARS!?!?!


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post Mar 15 2014, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Mar 15 2014, 07:35 AM) *
the last time our sky was chem-bombed.... I was in the thick of it.

So were my grandkids


It is my duty to keep shaking the others till they wake up
to the toxic aerial danger so blatantly-hidden in plane sight.


MikeR:

I am sorry to hear that you and your grandkids were in the thick of things.

I just got back from running a routine errand. While I was out walking, I gave the matters of chemtrails and things of a nuclear nature more thought.

It seems that some individuals are positing and spreading rumors that the purpose of chemtrails is for a population reduction program.

Perhaps this rumor has legs to it.

Let's do some more connecting of dots...

Nanothermite is made with aluminum.

Aluminum seems to have been determined to be a component of chemtrails.

Nanothermite burns really hot.

Critical mass is defined "as the amount of a given fissionable material necessary to sustain a chain reaction at a constant rate." This is an important consideration in the design of nuclear weapons.

Can the intense heat resulting from the ignition of nanothermite be a substitute for the so-called "critical mass" ordinarily considered necessary for a nuclear reaction?

Can nanothermite and its heat be used to accomplish nuclear reaction on a much, much smaller level (remember "nano" means "small") right down possibly to the molecular or even atomic level?

Demolecularization of solid objects into dust is caused by nuclear activity at the molecular level.

Evidence of nanothermite was found at the site of the demolecularized WTC.

Can the amount of chemtrail "stuff," like maybe enough nanothermite that's typically inhaled by individuals all over the world, make them possible targets for being demolecularized?

Can such demolecularization be set off by a laser beam carrying an electro-magnetic disturbance of just the right frequency to get the "motor running" of the molecules of chemtrails in a person's body?

Is what I am saying far-fetched?

Is what a science guy said far-fetched which is: "There is no such things as science fiction anymore."

I'll tell you what is not fiction: drones are not fiction. Night vision is not fiction. Drones that can fly virtually invisible to the naked eye at night can use automated night vision to identify certain individuals by their unique gait. The drones can then take out those individuals. This is not fiction.

Would it be a stretch to conceive of a drone's spotting an individual and signaling to a satellite in outer space to shoot a beam down to demolecularize that individual... all within a split second's time leaving nary a trace of evidence behind?

George Orwell was one heck of a visionary. In his book 1984 (which was published in 1949, mind you) he foresaw much that actually came true in today's society. I compiled the following list of predictions from 1984, and I bring to your attention the last item on the list, #25, "vaporization."

The social issues of 1984, the novel, included:
1. Urban decay
2. Abjectly low standards of living
3. Electronic surveillance devices
4. Sky high crime rates
5. Racketeering of every sort
6. Prostitution
7. Divorce on demand
8. Hardest of hardcore pornography
9. Thought crimes
10. Glowing but false governmental economic reports
11. Gambling addictions
12. Mechanized music
13. Rubbishy tabloids
14. Trashy movies
15. Daily two-minute hate sessions
16. Weekly lottery drawings with fantastic payouts
17. A national obsession with football and beer
18. Equal Opportunity in the Party
19. Smelly, incredibly stupid coworkers
20. Emphasis on cheap, cheap labor
21. Fat and slovenly workers
22. Exercise videos
23. Promiscuity
24. Drug peddling
25. Vaporization of enemies of the Party

(Notes: The mechanized music is more commonly known as "rap" or "electronica" like Lady Gaga's style; the daily hate sessions are more commonly known as TV talk shows ["Maury;" "Jerry Springer"] and news reports of terrorists especially Osama bin Laden; thought crimes are discrimination and thinking that you are chatting online with a minor; vaporization is now feasible by way of demolecularization.)


Make of this what you will. Draw your own conclusions. For further information, consult a physicist. I think that I have taken this discussion as far as I can.

P.M.
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post Mar 15 2014, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 16 2014, 03:20 AM) *
You introduce the information regarding flight testing saying my proposal has "already been done", then ask me to sit through a 2 hr 40 min interview on the topic.... then when asked why should I waste my time, you finally provide an interesting summary of the contents and tell us "to be continued"... now you tell us don't bother?

bs_flag.gif

In other words, Hancke is not going to release anything and ran off with 13k of donor cash?

This flight testing was supposedly done in 2009 and the videos have still yet to be released. I have made 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, 9/11: Intercepted, and Skygate in the same amount of time!

If this supposed "research" were so detrimental and grave to the public at large, why hasn't he released the tapes in nearly 5 YEARS!?!?!


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Who said "don't bother" Rob? I said "continue the testing scientifically at the levels
and in the locations where testing can and will produce results".
By all mean decline any personal involvement in such testing, it's perfectly okay
to leave it to experts to do the science if you and Mick West don't personally feel inclined
or qualified.

Carry on flying planes and moderating forae and all the other things you're good at....
but don't expect me to be any good at second-guessing (y)our friend Herr Hancke's
diary of activities. I have no idea what he's done in the past, nor what work
he has in progress on the cutting room or any other bench.

If you still cannot begin to imagine what is so grave and detrimental, let's just let
others relay available intelligence

MikeR

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post Mar 15 2014, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 16 2014, 03:20 AM) *
you finally provide an interesting summary of the contents


Why do you apparently not choose to comment on possible implications
of the contents you say you find interesting?

You previously commented on there being no proof that an increase
in ground aluminum was connected with airplane activity... which could
be taken to mean that in your opinion no aluminum would be found
at the altitudes occupied by aircraft. Herr Hancke's team produce
evidence that there's a huge aluminum content in the atmosphere
at the altitudes of commercial aircraft activity. Is that evidence not
sufficiently interesting for further consideration of what many would
suggest are fairly serious implications?

Or am I being a tad insensitive to your persona, your quasi-editorial
position of a public forum the permitted existence of which you'd
be aware is at risk if the editor isn't seen by the Minders to keep a lid
on non-PC dissent (chemtrails no doubt not to be aloud :-)

Rob Kall threw MikeR off OpEdNews because as editor he didn't want his
Minders to notice that editor hadn't managed to prevent Miker publishing
the famous banned photo of Barack cuddling the then recently-deceased
Emilie Parker (weeks before the WWW finally saw through
the Shady Hoax scam)

Have I missed a point here, and are P4T or P4C chemtrail options to be
(un)officially confined to debunking or denying?

MikeR
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post Mar 16 2014, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Mar 15 2014, 10:45 PM) *
If you still cannot begin to imagine what is so grave and detrimental, let's just let
others relay available intelligence

MikeR


MikeR,

Your whole argument amounts to a guy standing on a corner wearing a sign which says, "The Sky Is Falling!".

How many people pay attention to such "statements"?

Again, if you want people to listen to what you have to say... and gain any support, you will need to provide conclusive evidence. I admire your efforts for trying, but you have failed thus far.... as have the people you sourced (Hancke).

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Why do you apparently not choose to comment on possible implications
of the contents you say you find interesting?


Because P4T do not speculate or offer theory. We will especially refrain from "comment on the possible implications" when given a source of a YT video which has had less than 350 views in nearly a year, which in fact has not provided any evidence whatsoever but what some guy says on a YT video. Have you ever read the front page of our website? Or reviewed any of our work at all? If you had, you would not be asking such a question. Should we "comment on the possible implications" of every YT video which has had less than 350 views in a year? Have you?

With that said....

I found your summary of the "contents" interesting after first reading your summary (without having to sit through a 2 hr 40 min interview that clearly has not gained any interest) while also making a mental note your summary was not well sourced ('almerie' asked you of this specifically, and you clearly chose to ignore the post). Despite the lack of sourcing.. .and since I found your summary 'interesting', I started to research your claims/sources. As it turns out, your "source" is nothing more than a boring radio interview from a year ago, with a person who was not able to achieve his financial goals, and has apparently held onto information/evidence for nearly 5 (Five) years (still not released), which is allegedly grave to the public at large (according to you).

Unlike you, I actually provided links for my research into the subject of your post. I can see why you did not want to provide such links, yet expected people to sit through a 2 hr 40 min interview. Did you really think that would persuade anyone? If so, I remind you of the number of views on the "interview" you linked.

In case you are confused, no one is interested in such rhetoric without proper and conclusive evidence. And in retrospect, I find your post highly misleading based on omissions and distortions.

To make a long story ... short....

Let us know when Hancke will release the tapes allegedly filmed nearly 5 years ago during his supposed "flight tests"... (strong emphasis on the word "allegedly")

Clearly Hancke (a person you sourced in rebuttal to my initial proposals) doesn't have a sense of urgency on this matter... why should anyone else?

Any more current updates as to when and if the film is going to be released? Or did he just take the 13k and run off with it? (third time asked, I will not ask again)... and a reminder, you are the one who introduced Hancke into this discussion.

I will also add to that question. Have you donated to Hancke's efforts?

The rest of your attempts at ad hom attacks and derailing the discussion (ie: Rob Kall et al)... ignored....

Keep it up!
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post Mar 16 2014, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 16 2014, 05:31 PM) *
Keep it up!


Nah, Rob. You pilots carry on practicing your incomparable skills:
keep your jet planes on the straight and narrow, carry-on leaving your
crooked condensations trails in meteorological conditions way-y-y outside
conditions where condensation could possibly occur..

We architects can rely on fearless fertile imagination to try and figure out
how to shelter our valued clients from the condensation crap
you barnstormers drop on us all.

It would be great tho, if you could get the aviation gas suppliers to
figure out any way of eliminating the aluminum and the barium from' their mix
(I s'pose you reckon it raises the octane rating? and why can't they use lead?)

Taking out the toxic stuff wouldn't do any harm to aircrew health
either, for those rare occasions when you guys come back down to earth
for some r and r to share our smog downunder

MikeR

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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 16 2014, 05:31 PM) *
Keep it up!


OK ... I realize Pilots know that airplanes never follow each other on a common route....
and that parallel flight paths are intentionally flown in wildly different directions even
when all planes are heading for the same destination...and all planes at all altitudes
on routes criss-crossing at different altitudes all exhibit the exact-same condensation
trails which we non-pilots will never understand without thousands of hours of
training in Meteorology 101 102 103 201 20..... as well as all the other modules
of post-tertiary aviation eddification...

I presume therefore only non-pilot would have the slightest interest in "any answers?"

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QUOTE (almerie @ Mar 16 2014, 01:56 AM) *
Do you have any documentation or reference to that flight?



What attached research paper are you talking about?



The documentation I have has been posted here on P4T so why
do I get called out for not spotting posts from people too lazy to
check for their insensitive selves?

The research is way above your head ... look up at the sky for now
get SkyderALERT for your batphone and use it, lad.

You'll learn more than trying to decode research papers
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Mar 17 2014, 05:22 AM) *
The documentation I have has been posted here on P4T so why
do I get called out for not spotting posts from people too lazy to
check for their insensitive selves?


I am sorry for not paying attention if this was posted elsewhere, but could you be so kind as to repost it here?

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The research is way above your head ... look up at the sky for now
get SkyderALERT for your batphone and use it, lad.


Are the Ad Hom attacks really necessary?

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You'll learn more than trying to decode research papers


That may be but I would like to see them anyway.
Why are you second guessing my qualifications in this matter?




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