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Wtc7 Fire Progression, A closer look

onesliceshort
post Jun 10 2012, 03:14 PM
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I've searched through most of the relevant images and videos that I could find of WTC7 to assess NIST's claims on the alleged fires throughout the day.

Like the Pentagon, nailing down the timeframes and sequenciality of images and videos that day were made all the more difficult because of intentional vagueness (by NIST), cropped images, nonsequential video snippets, withheld visual evidence and lack of original footage, timestamps or exif data.

This is a first draft and if anybody can add to or point out errors are more than welcome.


1. 9am — 10am

2. 10am — 11am

3. 11am — 12pm

4. 12pm — 1pm

5. 1pm — 2pm

6. 2pm — 3pm

7. 3pm — 4pm

8. 4pm — 5:20pm

Conclusion A • Exaggerations, ommissions and the south face of WTC7

Conclusion B • Exaggerations and inventions

Conclusion C • The reasons for the lies

Conclusion D • The "diesel fires"

Edit added:

A closer look at the southwest damage and source of smoke.



Sources, WTC7 overheads and pre-911 images

South face WTC7 bridges pre911

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9721/imagetur.jpg

Overhead plan

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...d_Site_Plan.svg

WTC7 overheads and images

Wtc7 NorthEast pre911

http://archive.org/download/MichaelChan_so...7before9-11.jpg


South face floors and columns legend

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2362/imageygua.jpg

North face floors numbered

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/2907/imagedapv.jpg

South face entrance and bridges pre911

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9721/imagetur.jpg

WTC7 facade legend (ConEd)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4644/imageltd.jpg

FEMA Report

Bird's eye view from various angles (solely for perspective and bearings):

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/2118/imageena.jpg

For bearings (overhead post collapses):

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/4624/imagewnd.jpg

FOIA released images:

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com.es/2010/...tos-part-3.html

NIST - WTC 7 Visual Evidence, Damage Estimates, and Timeline Analysis
(reference : "Pitts")

http://www.infowars.net/WTC7Report/WTC%207...ter%20Pitts.doc


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4pm-5:20pm
 


 
4:06pm
 

Source: William Cirone compilation, Ground Zero, WTC5 and 6, WTC7 (north, west and south area)

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ImaALIpxgk

@5:06mins, time shown on cam is 4:06pm

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/6986/imagewzft.jpg

@5:20mins, time shown is 4:10pm

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/2999/imagegii.jpg

@5:35mins, time shown as 4:13pm

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3154/imageamoy.jpg


 
"3:55pm - 4:15pm"
 

Source: CBS/Demetri/Pitts

Note: northeast face WTC7

QUOTE
"shot from near the corner of Greenwich Street and Park Place shows the north face of WTC 7.  The time is estimated as between 3:55 p.m. and 4:15 p.m.  The building on the left is 30 West Broadway"

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1471/imagekwm.jpg  
     




 
"4:03pm - 4:23pm"
 


Source: CBS/Demetri/Pitts 

Note: Curious since the NIST FOIA claims that the footage is allegedly until  4:09pm    

QUOTE
"eastern side of the north face of WTC 7.  The time is estimated as being between 4:03 p.m. and 4:23 p.m"

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/7892/imageosu.jpg  
   

CBS footage (and description) here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRKCSmnR3ow




"4:05pm - 4:25pm"
 

Source: CBS/Pitts

Note: Curious since the NIST FOIA claims that the footage is allegedly until  4:09pm    


QUOTE
"lower northeast corner of WTC 7.  The time is estimated as being between 4:05 p.m. and 4:25 p.m"

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/5799/imagevge.jpg  
     

Possible video match for above:

Source: WNBC/911 Archives

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub4A2

And

http://archive.org/details/WNBCDub4A3

 
4:15pm
 

CNN announces that "WTC7 has collapsed or is about to collapse"

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PqbGfCcef0



 
4:31pm
 

Source: Abe Conby

Note: South face of WTC7 from southwest

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0558.jpg

Exif data (4:31:48pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0558.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   4:31:48PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, 32 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"





 
"4:25pm - 4:45pm"
 

Source: "Anonymous" 

Note: possibly later judging by image that follows this.

Black smoke seen rising from northwest corner out of shot

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from near the corner of Greenwich and Harrison Streets.  The time could not be determined exactly, but based on the fire distributions a range of 4:25 p.m. and 4:45 p.m. was estimated"

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4708/imagekeqt.jpg  
     




4:37pm
 


Source: Richard Peskin/Pitts 

Note: no black smoke at lower floors as in previous image

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 at 4:37:46 p.m. ± 1 s."

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5420/imagefwk.jpg  
     


Richard Peskin edited footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE568HMP6MY



 
4:38pm
 

Source:Richard Peskin/Pitts

Note: north face fires almost extinguished/no black smoke as seen in "4:25pm - 4:45pm" shot

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was recorded at 4:38:11 p.m. ± 1 s.  The video was shot from the same location as the frame in Figure 1139 (above)"

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2597/imagebpw.jpg  
     

Peskin edited footage (again):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE568HMP6MY


 
"4:39pm"
 

Source: Frank Didik/Pitts 

Note: contradicts two previous Peskin shots @4:37pm and 4:38pm


QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 shot from near the corner of Harrison and Greenwich Streets.  The time of the image is estimated to be 4:39 p.m. ± 120 s."

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/2153/imagewmf.jpg  
     




 
4:49pm
 

Source: NBC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx8oOVm7zvg

 

"4:30pm - 5:00pm"
 


Source: Abe Conby/Pitts

Note: upper south face of WTC7 visible

QUOTE
"west side of the south face of WTC 7 was taken between 4:30 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. from near the corner of West Street and Liberty Street"

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6318/imagehaz.jpg. 
   

Source of smoke can be seen in another Abe Conby shot:

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6153/imagenvna.jpg

Source for above image:

http://archive.org/stream/AbeConby#page/n17/mode/1up



 
4:52:56pm
 

Source: Abe Conby

South of wtc7 

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0583.jpg

Exif data (4:52pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0583.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   4:52:56PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 15 hours, 12 minutes, 12 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"



 
4:53:32pm
  


As above (Abe Conby)

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0585.jpg

Exif data (4:53pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0585.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   4:53:32PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 15 hours, 15 minutes, 18 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"

Abe Conby FOIA released video footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuy2QnGp5Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5_LxBBPQ1Q


 
@4:55pm
 

BBC announces "collapse"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7SwOT29gbc

OSS: that the BBC "lost the (live) feed" a few minutes before the collapse is the more suspicious and more open to investigation than "prior knowledge", for me personally.



 
5:04:39pm
 


As above (Abe Conby)

http://archive.org/download/AbeConby_DSCF0...by_DSCF0591.jpg

Exif data (5:04pm)

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&im...by_DSCF0591.jpg

"Date: September 11, 2001   5:04:39PM (timezone not specified)
(10 years, 8 months, 15 days, 15 hours, 7 minutes, 41 seconds ago, assuming image timezone of US Pacific)"



 
5:05pm
 


Source: CNN

http://archive.org/details/CNNDub201



 
5:09pm
 


Source: CNN

http://archive.org/details/CNNDub202



 
5:13pm
 


Source: CNN

http://archive.org/details/CNNDub203

Source: CBS

Note: strangely enhanced continuous footage allegedly starting at 5:13pm which includes collapse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO7dZgyLWWo



 
@5:14pm
 


Source: Frank Didik/Pitts (black smoke at lower floors)

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7 was taken from a building located to the northwest looking down Greenwich Street at 5:13:58 p.m. ± 3 s"

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2825/imageics.jpg  



WTC7 north face leading up to collapse:

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4841/imagelbz.jpg

As above. Sequential. Closer.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4272/imageosg.jpg

As above. Sequential. Lower north face floors

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/9052/imageaua.jpg

Sequential. Thick black plume of smoke around lower floor area

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2921/imagejqa.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5738/imageilck.jpg

As above. Sequential.

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/8660/imagehvj.jpg


Source: NIST

Note: NIST on FDNY claims about lack of deisel fires Prior to WTC7 collapse

QUOTE
http://911speakout.org/NIST_Tech_Briefing_Transcript.pdf  (p18)

"Finally, the FDNY personnel that we spoke to did not see any indication of burning liquid fuels before the building collapsed."




 
@5:20pm
 


@5:20 (just prior to collapse)

Source: Pitts

QUOTE
"During the clip that Figure 1146 was taken from the camera zoomed in on the same area shown in Figure 1144.  Very heavy smoke was visible rising from near the northwest corner.  Suddenly, several pulses of jet flames several stories high were pushed out of one of a window near 13-54B on the 13th floor.  These pulses continued for about 6 s.  Figure 1147 shows a frame captured during one of the pulses.  The amount of smoke on the face increased dramatically at the same time."
     

The "unusual event" described above - Floor 13 fireball and smoke just prior to collapse better seen here:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_IAcuITqh6E

And

@5:20pm

Source: CBS/Pitts 

Note: sparse black smoke at lower floors

QUOTE
"north face of WTC 7.  The exact time for this video clip is unknown, but it is estimated to have been taken within a few minutes of the WTC 7 collapse at 5:20:52 p.m"

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2571/imageual.jpg  
     


Just after collapse (from west):

Source: Jay Comella

http://archive.org/download/JayComella_jay...aycomella0a.jpg

Collapse compilations 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA 


Edit: Source: "John G " (NFPAS - National Fire Protection Association - Tim Tobiason?)

Note: a lot of interesting Ground Zero shots, etc, available at this link

http://s756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...John%20G_NFPAS/

WTC7 rubble

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0058.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0059.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0068.jpg

WTC5 and 6/WTC7 rubble

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0008.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0024.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0027.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0065.jpg

WTC5

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0014.jpg

WTC5 and 6

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0012.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0030.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0042.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0047.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0060.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...AS/DSCF0062.jpg



WTC6 overheads post collapse

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba295e3d93f0.jpg

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba295e4ec7e5.jpg

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba295e5c5e2f.jpg

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba299f7c561f.jpg

As above 9/12

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba299f89adf1.jpg

WTC6 overhead a few days later

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/375...aab3222403.jpg 


Edit: additional WTC7 rubble images in following days

WTC7 rubble pile 12th

http://letsrollforums.com/imagehosting/37524ba917253f99e.jpg


http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k..._AND_CHURCH.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k..._N094_CHAMB.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010024.jpg


WTC7 rubble pile 13th

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010033.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010040.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010047.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010049.jpg

Unsure of date:

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...01/P1010050.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0077.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0078.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0079.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0080.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0082.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0083.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0084.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0085.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0086.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...ce/DSCN0146.jpg

Edit: VIP hi-res images of WTC7 rubble pile:

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.009b.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.009.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.comp1a.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.001.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.002.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.003.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.004.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.006.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.007.jpg

http://www.mediumrecords.com/wtc/blg7.008.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/1017/imagevwv.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...0Views/2382.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/P9111119.jpg



http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-192X.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-193X.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-196X.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-198X.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-199X.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-224L.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-227L.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-276L.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-278L.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-279L.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k...on/MVC-291L.jpg

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx208/k..._EFFORTS_44.jpg





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- - onesliceshort   9am-10am    Post North tower impact, pre-South t...   Jun 10 2012, 03:14 PM
- - onesliceshort   10am-11am    South tower collapse    Source: 9/1...   Jun 10 2012, 03:16 PM
- - onesliceshort   11am-12pm    11am    Source: Richard Peskin (...   Jun 10 2012, 03:17 PM
- - onesliceshort   12pm-1pm    12pm    Source: NYPD/Pitts Aerial ...   Jun 10 2012, 03:18 PM
- - onesliceshort   1pm-2pm    Source: NIST QUOTE "NCSTAR 1A pg...   Jun 10 2012, 03:20 PM
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- - onesliceshort   3pm-4pm    3:05+   Source: NYPD/Pitts Note: No...   Jun 10 2012, 03:22 PM
- - onesliceshort   4pm-5:20pm    4:06pm   Source: William Cirone c...   Jun 10 2012, 03:24 PM
- - onesliceshort   Conclusion A: Exaggerations, ommissions and the s...   Jun 10 2012, 03:26 PM
- - onesliceshort   Conclusion B: Exaggerations and Inventions NIST ...   Jun 10 2012, 03:29 PM
- - onesliceshort   Conclusion C The reasons for the lies I won...   Jun 10 2012, 03:31 PM
- - onesliceshort   Conclusion D "Diesel fires" The unfoun...   Jun 10 2012, 03:33 PM
- - onesliceshort   Edit added to timeframe 2pm - 3pm: FDNY helicopt...   Jun 15 2012, 06:09 PM
- - onesliceshort   QUOTE FDNY helicopter shots - possibly taken betwe...   Jul 5 2012, 11:22 PM
- - onesliceshort   Not sure if this is old news but... FOIA released...   Oct 31 2012, 12:28 PM
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