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The Malthusian Conspiracy?, The Possible Big Picture

Timothy Osman
post Apr 5 2008, 10:11 PM
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In 1798, Thomas R. Malthus (1766-1834), a 19th century pessimist, after reading about goats on Galapagos Island, published his essay Principles of Population. The essay extended his observations of goats to humans, and maintained that populations are unprincipled and have no internal constraints toward growth. Now, in the first half of the 19th century in Europe, members of the ruling classes met subsequent to the publication of Principles of Population to discuss "the population problem." Before Malthus, populations were considered to be an asset. After Malthus, the concept of land acquisition to support "future large populations" became a motivating factor for war.

Another aspect of Malthus' theory is that is maintained that "all animated life was governed exclusively by the sexual-reproductive drive. Like Freud, Malthus reduced a complex interplay of factors to just one factor-sexual drive. Reducing any issue to just one factor is reductive determinism, which on its face has little or no scientific merit. Although the Malthusian doctrine was one of the most influential of modern times, it never had any scientific basis. The Malthusian doctrine later came to the attention of Charles Darwin, who read Malthus' essay in 1838. For Darwin, who was familiar with the viewpoint of Thomas Hobbes, "life consisted of a struggle, one against all." The Malthusian idea of existence also incorporated this Hobbesian viewpoint, and it appealed to Darwin. When applied to populations and society, it resulted in Social Darwinism.

Social Darwinism appealed to the European elite, who saw it as prima facie justification their "evolutionary superiority." The elite adapted the Malthusian principle of "management of unprincipled populations"- population control. Moreover, Darwinism achieved orthodox status among his friends in the British Royal Society, two of whom were Thomas Huxley, president of the Royal Society, and Francis Galton, Darwin's cousin. Galton founded the eugenics movement, which later expanded in the United States and subsequently in Germany.

Darwin's vision of existence as a "purposeless struggle", after 1859, quickly replaced the Judeo-Christian vision of human life as a purposeful, divinely guided moral struggle. This idea of "life as a meaningless struggle" played a decisive role in the brutalization of the Western world for the rest of the 19th and 20th centuries. Social Darwinism prompted the enlargement of colonial empires, and also conditioned a struggle for power on an unprecedented scale. The principle targets of war switched from enemy armies to populations themselves.


http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardt...ian_premise.htm

This is just an article which describes how we got where we are in a simple way IMO. It does explain the dog eat dog world we accept in which over Two Billion people have no access to electricity and are blamed for being a burden on the planet.
Could it be that today we have an elite who as their core belief is the Malthusian idea of humans as randy goats shagging their way to oblivion. That the control of energy resources, the only way of currently maintaining affordable food for all is central to this elites plan. It's hard not to see 911 as a means of securing the middle and central east energy producing area's, not just to exploit them but to control and diminish supply.
When I look at the origin of the other scam which is working in tandem to artificially inflate the price of energy through carbon taxes and seeing the architects are the same old suspects. Without going into a pyramid hunting rabbit hole I thought I would start with this bloke.

Maurice Strong.

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THE Kyoto Protocol was the work of thousands of bureaucrats, diplomats and politicians. But no one person is more responsible for it than a Canadian named Maurice Strong.

Strong organized the UN first-world environmental summit in Stockholm in 1972 and has never stopped pressing for a world where UN resolutions would be enforced as law all over the Earth.

Strong went on to chair the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development in Rio and to become senior adviser to Kofi Annan, the UN's secretary general. Not bad for a kid from Oak Lake, Manitoba, who dropped out of school at age 14.

But Strong is different than other social butterflies who flit from one UN conference to the next. He is a powerful businessman, who has served as president of such massive energy companies as Petro-Canada and Ontario Hydro, and on the board of industrial giant Toyota.

He is a huge political donor, not just here in Canada, but to both the Republican and Democratic parties in the U.S. as well.

At age 29, he became president of Power Corporation, fusing his destiny to Canada's wealthiest and most influential families - including Paul Martin Sr. and Jr., now heir apparent to the prime minister.

Strong hired Paul Jr. to work for him during a vacation from university. "We controlled many companies, controlled political budgets," Strong said of his time at Power Corporation. "Politicians got to know you and you them."

Strong hired Martin into Power Corporation's executive suite. He helped guide Martin towards unimaginable personal wealth - and even predicted Martin's path to becoming prime minister. But Strong's influence reaches farther than Canada.

Indeed, compared to Strong's American and European friends, Martin is a small star in the constellation.

Strong sits on boards with the Rockefellers and Mikhail Gorbachev and chairs private meetings of CEOs, including Bill Gates. He hobnobs with the world's royalty, too - and with dictators and despots.

He once did a business deal with arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, and wound up with a 200,000-acre ranch in Colorado - which his wife, Hanne, runs as a New Age spiritual colony.

He told Maclean's magazine in 1976 that he was "a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology." He warns that if we don't heed his environmentalist warnings, the Earth will collapse into chaos.

"Do we really want this? Do we want Marx to be proven right, after all?" Strong asks. He shares the views of the most radical environmentalist street protester, but instead of shouting himself hoarse at a police barricade outside a global conference, he's the secretary general inside, wielding the gavel.

Strong has always courted power - but not through any shabby election campaign. He was a Liberal candidate in the 1979 federal election, but pulled out a month before the vote.

How could a mere MP wield the kind of international control he had tasted in Stockholm? Journalist Elaine Dewar, who interviewed Strong, described why he loved the UN.

"He could raise his own money from whomever he liked, appoint anyone he wanted, control the agenda," wrote Dewar.

"He told me he had more unfettered power than a cabinet minister in Ottawa. He was right: He didn't have to run for re-election, yet he could profoundly affect lives."

Strong prefers power extracted from democracies, and kept from unenlightened voters. Most power-crazed men would stop at calling for a one world Earth Charter to replace the U.S. Constitution, or the UN Charter.

But in an interview with his own Earth Charter Commission, Strong said "the real goal of the Earth Charter is it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments. It will become a symbol of the aspirations and commitments of people everywhere." Sounds like Maurice was hanging out at his spirit ranch without his sunhat on.

There has been no one like Maurice Strong before, except perhaps in fiction - Ernst Blofeld comes to mind, 007's round-faced nemesis in You Only Live Twice. But Blofeld sought to attack the world order, to challenge it from some remote hideaway - not to co-opt it, and transform it from the inside as Strong does.

Blofeld would threaten a meeting of the UN; Strong would chair the meeting and script its agenda. Strangely, Strong once indulged his inner Blofeld, musing to a stunned reporter about a violent plot to take over the world through one of his many super-organizations.

In 1990, Strong told a reporter a fantasy scenario for the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland - where 1,000 diplomats, CEOs and politicians gather "to address global issues."

Strong, naturally, is on the board of the World Economic Forum. "What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?...

In order to save the planet, the group decides: Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring this about?"


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I think Darwin was a creationist.
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I think Darwin was a creationist.


Darwin was on crutches just like the rest of us, his theory on evolution made him a darling of the elite. As we have seen this elite can't be accused of being too bright either, they get passed a theory on the fly and they're off to the try line like a dumb ass prop forward, the only way to stop them is sheer weight of numbers. Well that's how it looks after a weekend of watching Rugby, the truth is probably more sinister in that they use whatever theory is flying around to advance their agenda.

Malthusians pushing Global Warming.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/zjmar07.pdf
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QUOTE (Timothy Osman @ Apr 6 2008, 04:03 PM) *
Malthusians pushing Global Warming.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/icecore/zjmar07.pdf


Thanks T.O.

Great read!
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Some more on Mr Strong and the rise of NGO's.

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Maurice Strong has demonstrated an uncanny ability to manipulate people, institutions, governments, and events to achieve the outcome he desires. Through his published writings and public presentations he has declared his desire to empower the U.N. as the global authority to manage a new era of global governance. He has positioned his NGO triumvirite, the IUCN, WWF, and the WRI, to varnish U.N. activity with the perception of "civil society" respectability. And now he has been appointed Senior Advisor to the U.N. Secretary General and assigned the responsibility of reforming the United Nations bureaucracy. The fox has been given the assignment, and all the tools necessary, to repair the henhouse to his liking.


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This stuff gets a bit weird when you look at the next phase with our Aquarian Moses Mikhail Gorbachev who in partnership with Strong, who is either an apostle or the Aquarian Jesus wrote the Earth Charter or our next covenant.

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The Earth Charter is the brainchild of Gorbachev (acting as chairman of Green Cross International) and Maurice Strong, a wealthy and influential proponent of world government.(1070) (Ted Turner is involved here, too - as a member of the Green Cross International board,(1071) and as a recipient of the Green Cross International "Founder's Award" in 1998.(1072)

Gorbachev and Strong wrote the Charter to rectify what they saw as the excessively "anthropocentric emphasis" of the Declaration on the Environment produced at the 1992 UN conference in Rio de Janeiro. (1073) Maurice Strong also says, "We must reinstate in our lives the ethic of love and respect for the Earth which traditional peoples have retained as central to their value systems." (1074) (Yet again, Rousseau's Noble Savage makes his appearance.)

Maurice Strong, promoter of "indigenous values"

To put his beliefs into action, Strong and his wife have established the Manitou Foundation,(1075) providing land in the Crestone, Colorado area to an eclectic mix of religious groups, including the Crestone Mountain Zen Center, the Spiritual Life Institute (a Catholic Carmelite monastery), the Haidakhandi Universal Ashram, the Sri Aurobindo Learning Center, Mangala Shri Bhuti (Tibetan Buddhists), and Karma Thegsum Tashi Gomang (a planned Tibetan medical institute).(1076) The Strongs have located their spiritual center in the Colorado mountains because:

"The Strongs learned that since antiquity indigenous peoples had revered this pristine wilderness as a place for conducting their vision quests and receiving shamanic trainings. It is prophesied that the world's religious traditions would gather here and help move the world toward globally conscious co-existence and co-creation."(1077)

The Earth Council and the Fetzer Institute have a worldwide plan to promote "indigenous cultural and spiritual values" and to incorporate indigenous peoples into "the UN system":

"Some of the proposed actions to preserve indigenous cultural and spiritual values are: the promotion and recognition of ancestral knowledge and its incorporation within national educational programmes; exchange of knowledge among indigenous peoples, elders, and youth, and among these peoples and other sectors; exchange of practices, such as sustainable agricultural techniques, traditional medicine, art, and crafts; teachings about the relationship between spiritual values and traditional knowledge and practices; promote the understanding of Indigenous Peoples philosophy; various activities, publications, and programmes directed towards youth; and the broadcasting of videos, television, and radio programmes about indigenous cultures. These actions, which will be pursued at local, national, and international levels, are also aimed at ensuring the participation of Indigenous Peoples in activities related to the programmes of the Earth Council, and within the context of the UN system."(1078)

Goal of the Earth Charter: "a kind of Ten Commandments"

Gorbachev says of the Earth Charter: "We also need a new international environmental legal code rooted in an Earth charter - a covenant similar to the United Nations Declaration on Human Rights. ... My hope is that this charter will be a kind of Ten Commandments, a 'Sermon on the Mount,' that provides a guide for human behavior toward the environment in the next century and beyond."(1079) Maurice Strong says the same: "The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments, like the Universal Declaration of Human Rights."(1080) This could mean that Gorbachev and Strong view themselves as legitimate successors to Moses and - in the case of Gorbachev - to Jesus.

One of the changes that Gorbachev envisions is world government. At the time he founded Green Cross, he said:

"The emerging 'environmentalization' of our civilization and the need for vigorous action in the interest of the entire global community will inevitably have multiple political consequences. Perhaps the most important of them will be a gradual change in the status of the United Nations. Inevitably, it must assume some aspects of a world government."


http://fatima.freehosting.net/Articles/Art4.htm

They actually keep a copy of the Earth Charter in an Ark.

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Inside this ' Ark of Hope' the Earth Charter is handwritten on papyrus paper, and ready for presentation to the United Nations; the Ark along with it's Gaia "Ten Commandments" – a new covenant to which every nation must adhere. Each panel represents one of the five traditional elements of pagan worship: Water, Fire, Earth, Air and Spirit. According to the Ark of Hope website, the Ark's dimensions are 49" X 32" X 32" and it was crafted out of a single Sycamore plank. The obvious meaning behind the Ark of Hope is to mock God's own Ten Commandments and the Ark of the Covenant. In this context the choice of Sycamore wood for the Ark of Hope's construction is a revealing one. The Sycamore tree was sacred to most all the pagan religions in the middle east during biblical times, and in Egypt especially: To the Egyptians the Sycamore was a healing tree; The tomb of Osiris was built in Sycamore wood, and shaded by Sycamore trees; Burial in Sycamore coffins was a symbolic return into the womb of the mother goddess; The deceased hoped to live in the Sycamore tree. In the book of the dead there are examples of a letter the deceased would write to the Goddess of the Tree, containing a prayer so that she would provide water and air.


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“The real goal of the Earth Charter is that it will in fact become like the Ten Commandments.”


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Earth...rk.htm#cooliris
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post Apr 10 2008, 12:50 AM
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Anything written in stone
was chiseled out by someone.

I'm glad I'm not religious.
I guess the message is to
stay away from big groups.

imo, lunk
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Well Lunk If people like Strong and Gorby have their way crowds will be a thing of the past. Besides I don't think you or I would be seen dead with the crowd Gorby preaches too.

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The State of the World Forum is a planetary confabulation sponsored by the Gorbachev Foundation. Held atop the city’s famed Nob Hill at the luxurious Fairmont Hotel, the forum brought together a glittering array of global notables representing the highest of worldly power, prestige, fame, wealth, and influence: presidents, princes, potentates, philanthropists, poets, philosophers, and big wigs.

The title of the event was: “Toward a New Civilization: Launching a Global Initiative” — were underscored by the guest list from Wall Street, the Trilateral Commission, the World Economic Forum, the Aspen Institute, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Club of Rome, the Bilderbergers, the Politburo, the Commission on Global Governance, the World Future Society, and other bastions of power.

Among the 400-plus eminent personages from 50 countries who flocked to the five-day affair (September 27th-October 1st) were former Secretaries of State James Baker and George Shultz (both co-chairs of the forum), former President George Bush, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, President Askar Akaev of Kyrgystan, former President Oscar Arias of Costa Rica, Prime Minister Tansu Ciller of Turkey, Czech Republic President Vaclav Havel, former Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and South African Vice President Thabo Mbeki ( I guess when in Rome…!).

Additional participants included: Worldwatch President Lester Brown; New Age gurus Fritj of Capra, Jeremy Rifkin, Willis Harman, Deepak Chopra, Robert Muller, and Matthew Fox; Marxist poetess Rigoberta Menchu; Earth Council president and billionaire eco-warrior Maurice Strong; Microsoft wizard Bill Gates; media mogul Rupert Murdoch; futurists Alvin Toffler and John Naisbitt; Senator George Mitchell (of Baseball steroid investigation); Archer Daniels Midland CEO Dwayne Andreas; computer tycoon David Packard (of Hewlett and Packard); Esalen founder Michael Murphy; motivation superstar Tony Robbins; Men’s Wearhouse CEO George Zimmer; chimpanzee expert Jane Goodall — not to mention Zbigniew Brzezinski, Carl Sagan, John Denver, Shirley MacLaine, Dennis Weaver, Ted Turner, Jane Fonda, Theodore Hesburgh, Timothy Wirth, Max Kampleman, Milton Friedman, Randall Forsberg, Saul Mendlovitz, and Alan Cranston.

Overseeing the entirety of this summit of the anointed was, of course, Mikhail Gorbachev himself. The purpose of the convocation, he proclaimed, was to “launch a multi-year process, culminating in the year 2000, to articulate the fundamental [world] priorities, values, and actions necessary to constructively shape our common future.” And who better to kick off an ostentatious extravaganza of that sort than global media titan and former “Humanist of the Year” Ted Turner. Identifying himself as a “great student of history” and a long-time friend of Gorbachev, Turner praised the “ex-Communist” and former dictator for “ending the Cold War”, which he acclaimed as “the greatest accomplishment in the history of humanity.” “Now, with the Cold War behind us,” said Ted, “this forum’s job is to help chart the way for humanity.”

According to Gorbachev. . . drastic measures are needed. The traditional political structures “no longer respond to the needs of an interdependent world. The political culture that we inherited from the past stands in the way of efforts to unite mankind’s resources in the face of global challenges.”

Mere transformation of political structures, however, is far from adequate. “We are in dire need of redefining the parameters of our society’s economic, social, political, and spiritual development Indeed, we have to reinvent the paradigm of our existence, to build a new civilization.” It was a alluded to other familiar themes Gorbachev has said before: “developing a global consciousness,” “embracing the task of spiritual renewal,” launching “the next phase of human development.”

And how did he proposed to do this? Gorbachev, the great humanitarian proposes to “set up a kind of United Nations Council of Elders.”

It was in this “Elder” capacity that Gorbachev offered the next part of his lecture. “Civilization will shift and new values and new ways of life will be needed to find real solutions to the problems of our environment, a way out of the ecological crisis.”

Then came the caveat:

“Gradually we will have to achieve a change of emphasis in the archetypal dilemma: to have or to be; to change the nature of consumption. Perhaps it is a little risky in this country to speak about that, We have to change the nature of consumption. And I have much to say about that here.”

What was most amazing was that no one at this conference expressed outrage at the brazen effrontery and hypocrisy of the sainted one’s sermonizing on conspicuous consumption while his rapt audience feasted on a sumptuous array of epicurean comestibles fit for royalty: smoked trout salad, filet of beef in shashlik marinade, and a dessert of panna cotta with autumn fruit… ( I thought Tony Robins was a vegetarian)

. . . Getting to the crux of the matter, Gorbachev pontificated: “We have to, I believe, gear consumption more to people’s cultural and spiritual needs. Also, through culture and education and within the framework of laws we shall have to address the problem of controlling the world’s population.” And control, of course, as always, is the key word and concept here. Control. Power. . . . .
According to these conference attendees, there are too many people on this “one planet.” Willis Harman’s essay grapples with the “dilemma.”:

“In the economy-dominated world, as the outspoken anthropologist Margaret Mead once put it bluntly, ‘The unadorned truth is that we do not need now, and will not need later, much of the marginal labor — the very young, the very old, the very uneducated, and the very stupid.’”
(Is this genocide, aborticide, and agicide, or what?… when Malthusian edicts cross breed with Eugenic passion and is gestated White Supremacist ditrus )

“This dilemma is perhaps the most basic one we face,” said Harman. Society can’t afford “from an environmental standpoint, or from the standpoint of tearing apart of the social fabric — the economic growth that would be necessary to provide jobs for all in the conventional sense, and the inequities which have come to accompany that growth. This dilemma, more than any other aspect of our current situation, indicates how fundamental a system change is now required.”

Philosopher/author Sam Keen summarized the consensus of the conference participants, saying: “there was very strong agreement that religious institutions have to take primary responsibility for the population explosion. We must speak far more clearly about sexuality, about contraception, about abortion, about the values that control the population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the [world's] population by 90 percent and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”

How do we “cut” the planet’s population by 90 percent? Even genocidal mass murderers Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao combined did not come close to attaining such a “lofty” goal. As always, the devil is in the details.

Forum participant Barbara Marx Hubbard may already have provided some of the devilish answer. In The Book of Co-Creation she writes: “Out of the full spectrum of human personality, one-fourth is electing to transcend …. One-fourth is destructive [and] they are defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a ‘natural death.’ … Now as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human — the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers — the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body …. Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.”


Just thinking out loud here and playing armature shrink but who here has ever made a heap of cash on a deal or in business and not felt like the master of the universe for a little while until the harsh reality of your predominant dickheadedness has brought you down to earth. I reckon the people attending the above party do really see themselves as elite based on their ability to rake in the cash or otherwise manipulate money out of sheep. As Darwin after being influenced by Malthus changed the actual name of his book from On the Origin of Species to On The Origin Of The Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. These people hold Malthusian views and see themselves as Kings of the Jungle favored by natural selection.
If you have a look at the people attending you realize they ain't there for their looks.
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post Apr 10 2008, 09:51 AM
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If they could just get us all to play video games,
making our highest aspiration being to get to the next level...
oblivious to the outside world- or better yet,
not even caring about anything outside that box.

I bet, they would like to get everybody to believe that
everything is made from pixels, and all you want is...

more pixels.

What is the counter to Malthusianism?
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I guess, if ones' fundamental assumptions are incorrect,
then the decisions someone makes, based on them, could be
devastating.

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What is the counter to Malthusianism?


One thing all these self appointed Malthusian Masters of the Universe have in common is their own deep seeded belief in their superiority. They through their wealth and either inherited or bought class are above the law with legal systems being turned into casino's for the rich and the full weight only applied to the lower classes. Academic institutions too are closed to vast majority of the people with the class structure fully entrenched in education which perpetuates the paradigm of control and power.

The best counters to all this are an Egalitarian Spirit, National Sovereignty and government by the people for the people.
As an egalitarian I put that first because that spirit is what I believe they hate most and is best described by what happened in Australia. We had a glimpse of this spirit before we were overcome with greed because at the time of settlement it would have been pretty ridiculous to insist that you were more important because you were a lawyer when you were wearing the same prison uniform as the mule skinner you were arguing with.

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You can have no idea of the class of persons here who consider themselves gentlemen.

Governor William Bligh, 1808 in a letter to the "Honourable" Charles Greville in London


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The unified nature of Australian speech was emphazised from the beginning by the peculiar social conditions of the colony. Beneath the governor and the overseers, everyone was equal. It was, perforce, a one-class society, united in a mixture of hostility and nostalgia towards Mother England, united especially in the isolation and rigour of Australian life.

The Story of English, Robert McCrum, 1992


There were other glimpses of this spirit over time with the way Australian soldiers behaved.

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In the [Japanese POW] camps the Australians discarded their differences and became a tribe, a tribe which was always the most successful group. The core of this success was an ethos of mateship and egalitarianism which not only survived the ultimate dehumanising duress of the death camps, but shone through as the dominant Australian characteristic.

Paul Sheehan, Among the Barbarians, 1998


Maybe these creeps at the top of the Pyramid now will push far enough for that spirit to re-emerge.
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The Club Of Rome, control by scientific technique.

The use of Scientific Technique to control the masses explained by Alan Watt. I really hope someone listens to this as it is worth it. sh*t pushing up hill I am. Yoda Jedi master.

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/CTT..._Sept192007.mp3

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"The World Has Cancer And The Cancer Is Man" - A. Gregg as quoted in Mankind at the Turning Point (1974)
In 1974 the book Mankind at the Turning Point: The Second Report to The Club of Rome [1] was published. This report states the need to create an "organic" or a truly interdependent society as the only way to save the world from the almost overwhelming world problematique. According to The Club of Rome, the world problematique is the set of interlocking world problems, such as, over population, food shortages, non-renewable resource depletion, environmental degradation, etc. With the use of absurd, exponentially based computer models, the complete unravelling of society and perhaps the biosphere was predicted. Not surprisingly the only solution capable of adverting global catastrophe is the development of an organic society. As I will show, a global organic society is only a euphemism for totalitarian world government. The Club of Rome is a premiere think tank composed of approximately 100 members including leading scientists, philosophers, political advisors and many other characters who lurk in the shadows of power. Organic Growth From Mankind at the Turning Point:
"In Nature organic growth proceeds according to a "master plan," a "blueprint." According to this master plan diversification among cells is determined by the requirements of the various organs; the size and shape of the organs and, therefore, their growth processes are determined by their function, which in turn depends on the needs of the whole organism. Such a "master plan" is missing from the process of growth and development of the world system." - 7 "The concept of the "organic growth" of mankind, as we have proposed in this report, is intended as a contribution toward achieving that end. Were mankind to embark on a path of organic growth, the world would emerge as a system of interdependent and harmonious parts, each making its own unique contributions, be it in economics, resources, or culture. ...Such an approach must start from and preserve the world's regional diversity. Paths of development, region-specific rather than based on narrow national interests, must be designed to lead to a sustainable balance between the interdependent world-regions and to global harmony - that is, to mankind's growth as an "organic entity" from its present barely embryonic state." [emphasis mine] - VIII "Apparently, the emerging world system requires a "holistic" view to be taken of the future world development: everything seems to depend on everything else." - 21
Interdependence is the End of Independence Though rarely stated and frequently denied, the concept of interdependent nations implies the end of national independence or sovereignty.
"And cooperation, finally, requires that the people of all nations face up to an admission that may not come easy. Cooperation by definition connotes interdependence. Increasing interdependence between nations and regions must then translate as a decrease in independence. Nations cannot be interdependent without each of them giving up some of, or at least acknowledging limits to, its own independence." - 111 "...the statement acknowledged, even if unintentionally, the dawn of an era of limits to independence - even for the strongest and biggest nations of the world." - 114
Interdependence is Totalitarian Bertrand Russell, a strong proponent of world government and all around elitist, wrote in his 1952 book The Impact of Science on Society [2] that the inevitable result of a society based on an organic philosophy can only result in totalitarianism. For more on this book please read this. From The Impact of Science on Society:
"The most obvious and inescapable effect of scientific technique is that it makes society more organic, in the sense of increasing the interdependence of its various parts..." - 42 "Totalitarianism has a theory as well as a practice. As a practice, it means that a certain group, having by one means or another seized the apparatus of power, especially armaments and police, proceed to exploit their advantageous position to the utmost, by regulating everything in the way that gives them the maximum of control over others. But as a theory it is something different: it is the doctrine that the State, or the nation, or the community is capable of a good different from that of individual and not consisting of anything that individuals think or feel. This doctrine was especially advocated by Hegal, who glorified the State, and thought that a community should be as organic as possible. In an organic community, he thought, excellence would reside in the whole. An individual is an organism, and we do not think that his separate parts have separate goods: if he has a pain in his great toe it is he that suffers, not specially the great toe. So, in an organic society, good and evil will belong to the whole rather than the parts. This is the theoretical form of totalitarianism. ...In concrete fact, when it is pretended that the State has a good different from that of the citizens, what is really meant is that the good of the government or of the ruling class is more important than that of other people. Such a view can have no basis except in arbitrary power. More important than these metaphysical speculations is the question whether a scientific dictatorship, such as we have been considering, can be stable, or is more likely to be stable than a democracy... ... I do not believe that dictatorship Is a lasting form of scientific society - unless (but this proviso is important) it can become world-wide." [emphasis mine] - 64
A worldwide organic society is exactly what The Club of Rome is proposing. Selling Totalitarianism It is interesting to note the pleasant soothing words used to sell the concept of totalitarianism: "organic", "holistic", "differentiated", "harmonious", "interdependent", "balanced" and "sustainable". The very same "sustainable development" is all the rage these days. Sustainable development was codified into international law during the United Nations Conference on the Environment and Development (popularly known as the Rio Earth Summit) in 1992. The Secretary General and main organizer of the conference was Maurice Strong. According to his own book, Where on Earth Are We Going? [3] he is a "Member of the Executive Committee of the Club of Rome". Creating A New Man and Total Material Interdependence How do you make the transition to an organic society? Part 2 of this series will examine the desires of The Club of Rome to change the value system of modern man.
"An analysis of problems and crises as reported in subsequent chapters indicate that (1) a "horizontal" restructuring of the world system is needed, i.e., a change in relationships among nations and regions and (2) as far as the "vertical" structure of the world system is concerned, drastic changes in the norm stratum - that is, in the value system and the goals of man - are necessary in order to solve energy, food, and other crises, i.e., social changes and changes in individual attitudes are needed if the transition to organic growth is to take place." [emphasis mine] - 54
The final part of this series will discuss the need for total control of all resources by a world authority.
"Now is the time to draw up a master plan for organic sustainable growth and world development based on global allocation of all finite resources and a new global economic system. Ten or twenty years form today it will probably be too late.


http://soundofcannons.blogspot.com/2008/02...t-humanity.html

The first Three parts here with parts Four and Five coming.

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Holy crap. Here I was suffering an information overload trying to put together all this Malthusian Social Darwinism stuff thinking I was onto something.

It's all been done by Webster Tarpley. All I had to do was type Malthusian in a youtube video search. blink.gif

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NZdiTVQhGWc
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Next up is the World Trade Organization and the Codex Alimentarius.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmrF9KjlGsc&feature=related

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=GKLDRf1XdgA&feature=related

She's hard to watch but worth it.
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so you guys don't think the earth's ecosystem will crash if nothing is changed?

Do you disagree with the assertion that the world will function better or more properly in a "to be" society, rather than a "to have" or consumerist society?

You don't think we are grossly overpopulated?


I see their actions as co opting a potentially real movement back to a sustainable culture. They intend to take control with quasi real values, subverting the real movement, all the while the sheep won't know who to listen to. Listen to Tarpley explain "Pseudo gangs" and how the Establishment sets up groups that resemble current organizations. It is them creating a pawn piece to be used later on in the game.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RjF5xY4v6gw
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No crash, the Earths ecosystems will change over time regardless of the short term activities of humans as it is directly affected by the cyclic variations of the Earths orbit around the Sun. Humans at best can change their immediate ecosystem by either having massive burn offs of bushland as the Aboriginals did or as we do, have a crack at everything.

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Do you disagree with the assertion that the world will function better or more properly in a "to be" society, rather than a "to have" or consumerist society?


No, but there will always be those who want more marbles than anyone else unless like I said earlier in this thread that we as humans become more egalitarian at a social or conscious level.

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I believe parts of the world probably are overpopulated, how and why the crowded streets of Mumbai have become the concern of the Cafe Latte set of California is of bigger concern to me.
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QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Apr 22 2008, 05:07 PM) *
so you guys don't think the earth's ecosystem will crash if nothing is changed?


Yes. In fact it may have already crashed. Pollinator population collapse, already well underway, could spell ultimate doom for billions. Amphibian population collapse at the same time that the bat population and migratory bird population goes into massive decline will give rise to pestilence of Biblical proportions. Every single living being on the face of the planet now has plastic in them and Strontium in them, the former from pollution the latter from atmospheric nuclear weaponry testing, and we're beginning to see mass-extinction events, mutations and cancers of epidemic proportions. There's aluminum and barium in the air from chemtrails and so many heavy metals in our food from the topsoil that the FDA likely wouldn't approve human flesh as edible it is so poisoned. Between that and Peak Topsoil, water pollution, which is quite extensive, and photoplankton die-off, it is logical to expect, through natural causes alone, the anihilation of the majority of the human population.

Russell Banks said in his seminal work "Continental Drift" that for the species to survive we must enter an "era of heroism." f*cking A, my good man.

http://edro.wordpress.com/collapsing-cities/

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dailynews/4486929a6551.html

Our lifestyle is unsustainable. Period. It cannot be sustained.





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What's amazing is that something so obvious must be pointed out. Yet the vast majority of humanity does not see the train coming.
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QUOTE (George Hayduke @ Apr 23 2008, 09:30 AM) *
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Our lifestyle is unsustainable. Period. It cannot be sustained.
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Would that statement be accurate if global population was under 1 billion?
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Yeah, OF, they're trapped in their routines, I guess. Daily life is so hard they can't break from the struggle to maintain it long enough to critically view their choices and try to change them. Lethal. That's what it is. Here's what the "collapsing cities" Web site, which predicts the total collapse of civilization before 2012 lists as the proponents of that collapse.

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Accumulation of toxic pollution in the environment
Civil conflict
Collapse of fisheries/fish species
Collapse of natural pest regulation systems
Deforestation
Desertification; Soil degradation (salination, erosion, loss of topsoil and loss of fertility)
Droughts
Economic collapse
Epidemics of plant and animal diseases
Excessive energy consumption
Extreme climatic events (including extreme rain events, floods)
Failing ecosystems
Famine
Foodborne, waterborne, airborne and insectborne infectious diseases (viral, bacterial, parasitic, fungal, prion)
Fuel shortage
Global collapse of pollinators
Habitat destruction
Human-enhanced natural catastrophes including earthquakes, floods, tsunamis, hurricanes, tropical storms, cyclones, extreme rainfall events, landslides, volcanic eruptions, droughts and wildfires …
Human-induced climate change
Increased UV radiation
Industrial accidents (including radionuclide, chemical and oil spills)
Inordinate prevalence of psychopathology caused by exponential growth economy: money fetishism, industrialism, militarism, atomic lifestyles, consumerism, throwaway culture, dysfunctional societies …
The American Dream (and its global equivalents)
Land use change
Mass migrations
Mass suicide as a result of neurological disorder caused by mercury [or other heavy metal] poisoning.
Moral decline (unethical behavior, unsustainable lifestyles, overconsumption)
Overshoot of Carrying Capacity; Increased ecological footprint; Overpopulation (esp. DCs*)
Overwhelmed by mounting waste: agricultural, municipal (garbage and sewage) and industrial
Poor global harvest/Food scarcity [Humans are one harvest away from starvation!]
Poverty
Running Dry (Running out of freshwater)
Sinking into the ground (large-scale subsidence caused by overuse of groundwater supplies)
Societal collapse
Spread of pandemic diseases
Tourism [euphemistically, eco-tourism]
War (conventional and nuclear)
Unnamed mechanisms


Where we get sodomized with a frozen carp is that it doesn't take any one of these reaching full actuation to set off a chain of events that ends with a wipeout scenario. Partial actuation of one has a magnifier effect on the partial actuation of another. See, they keep telling us that, "according to our models if things continue as is oil will last until, oh, 2050, or some other decades away period" that allows us to breathe a sigh of relief and then say crazy sh*t like, "not in my lifetime." Truth is they're telling you the Truth, the clincher is that "things WILL NOT continue as is" and thus the model is sh*t. Peak Topsoil will ratchet up the use of petrochemical-based fertilizer, which will be in more demand due to the food crisis, which will be exacerbated by economic crash, which will feed the flames of already runaway wars. The multiplier effect. You don't have to eat an entire bottle of valium to total your car and die. You don't even need to eat two valium. Just take one, and one small shot of whisky, and one small puff off a joint, and one small snort of coke, and one itsy bitsy injection of heroin and one small dose of LSD. The multiplier effect.

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