The Dragon Blood-line Options

[Sanders]

[Disclaimer:

I wrote the posts in this thread (those under my name) as I embarked on a path of research, motivated purely by an intense curiosity, and I marked my discoveries along the way here in this thread. I was fascinated by the use of occult symbology in our media (and other clues), and the more I investigated the more I saw that the history, in fact "world-view" that we have all been told to accept is mostly balony. (I stand by that 100%.) However I concluded too fast that there was a linear connection between the self-annointed managers of our country (and, to a large and increasing degree, our planet) and an ancient "dragon" culture. And I have (somewhat mistakenly) described this culture as of a "conquering" nature in many of my posts. While I learned a great deal on my search for answers, and while the reader might find some of my posts interesting, I have discovered that my overriding view of the big picture was wrong.

The true dragons were a wise and just sub-race of Kings and Queens of antiquity, and they have been all but gone for a thousand years - exterminated by the Church and her clients, the long string of usurpers who traded loyalty to Rome in return for its (fraudulent) recognition of kinghood. The Templars were not dragons (I don't think), they were rather a military arm of the dragons, from whom they split and pursued their own interests. William the Conqueror may have had some dragon blood in him, but he was first a warrior and his loyalties lied with his own power-grab - he killed many true "dragons" (the elven Picts) during his brutal subjugation of the north of England - and, the descendents of his warrior co-usurpers from Normandy, "bully-boys" as they have been described, who comprised the moneyed-elite of America throughout much of its history, were no better despite their claims of blue-bloodedness. Far worse are the bankers, often the descendents of those Norman colonists, who have taken their place. None of these people who have caused so much anquish in pursuit of their own monetary gain throughout modern history are "true" dragons, though I suspect they cling to imagined thread-thin connections to those ancient families, while they have hijacked the symbology and 'religion' (for lack of a better word) of the ancient cults in pursuit of their own bloated vision of themselves as overlords of us "stupid sheep".

If you want to know about the true "dragon blood-line", don't bother with my drivel, read instead "The Dragon Legacy" or any other of the works of Nicholas de Vere.]



Well, Japan seems to be solidly connected to the "dragon-elite".

[elreb]

Well, Japan seems to be solidly connected to the "dragon-elite".

James Clavell’s novel “Shogun” was based on William Adams (September 24, 1564 – May 16, 1620), known in Japanese as Anjin-sama. Soon after Adams' arrival in Japan, he became a key advisor to the shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu and built for him Japan's first Western-style ships and was also highly involved in Japan's Red Seal Asian trade.

What I like best about the movie is the depictions between the lords, warriors, priests and common people. This is the way we should see the people back in the original “dragon days”.

Society was well structured and the officials were seem more often than the king.

Crafts were part of a guild system. Warrior classes would rotate duty time.

Priests had it made most of the time.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(sailor)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Seal_Ships

(IMG:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/RedSealShip.JPG)

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 7 2010, 04:35 PM

[Sanders]

You know, I've never watched 'Shogun'. I should kick myself. Gonna watch it right now ... well, er, maybe tomorrow.

[elreb]

You know, I've never watched 'Shogun'. I should kick myself. Gonna watch it right now ... well, er, maybe tomorrow.

I have the collector’s addition…all 5 disks and watch it often.

The movie is not the same as the real story but the Japanese are very real and you will love it.

Most Greek and Egyptian movies do not give you the feel of social order like Shogun does.

Until you live in the past, you will never truly understand it.

(IMG:http://www.genreonline.net/Genre_files/ShogunLarge.jpg) I lived in Japan in 1957 and no one was running around yelling “Shinto-Buddhist” terrorist. They should have said (bill o'reilly SUCKS)

To this day, I still use Japanese-Hawaiian decor in my "Tea house". I’ll bet we are the only State in America that has ATM’s in Japanese.

'Domo arigato gozaimashita'

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 15 2010, 08:50 PM

[Sanders]

Here's That Devastating Report On Bank Of America That Everyone Is Talking About Today

http://www.businessinsider.com/bank-of-ame...-report-2010-10

In August, Manal Mehta and Branch Hill Capital put together a presentation targeting Bank of America's potential exposure to this mortgage fraud, as well as other problems in the mortgage market.
The presentation comes to a pretty damning conclusion: Bank of America's exposure could nearly halve its share price.

Why'd I stick this in my dragon thread as opposed to the Money forum? Look at this, dated May of this year ...


http://www.investmentfraudlawyerblog.com/2...lode_acros.html

This fraud was widespread. I can only assume that Morgan and Goldman were worse offenders than BoA. What happened with those supposed industry wide inquiries into Fraud? Nothing ... or, I should say, this new development that threatens to take down Bank of America.

I've said in this thread before - BoA, the largest consumer bank in the world by accounts, is Vatican aligned and the FED aligned Morgan, Goldman and Citi want to take it down.

[elreb]

Why'd I stick this in my dragon thread as opposed to the Money forum?

Because no one reads the other stuff.

You give us much more to think about here!

What is sad is that most Americans live in small boxes of “Personal Space” and could care less about reality.

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 17 2010, 07:56 PM

[KrNel]

Because no one reads the other stuff.

You give us much more to think about here!

For me personally, I'll second that (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Sanders]

I'm afraid sometimes to go over earlier posts in this thread, I feel like my eyes have been opened so much more in the past couple of years and that some of my early conclusions were misguided ... and there are undoubtedly still some details I've penned (usually based on conventional wisdom) that are "wrong".

But this topic is so interesting to me. So much fun. Particularly the religious connotations. I only got so deep into this because the conventional explanations for Zionist influence in the modern world didn't satisfy me.

Someday I'd love to take a trip to the ancient world, to Greece, to Crete and to "Troad", and visit Mount Judah. Er, uh, I mean Mt. Ida ... whoops! The one on Crete and the one in western Turkey as well.

And Lemnos. And Samoathrace. I wonder if the people living in these places are aware of their true historical significance?

BTW, I'm working really hard on my website lately - finally have conquered Wordpress and can receive comments. Hits here are growing exponentially. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif) Excuse the advert.

http://urokomovie.com/

Truly appreciate the interest -

[lunk]

http://urokomovie.com/

Truly appreciate the interest -

Congratulations!

Have you got a paypal button somewhere,
so i can purchase the complete video,
instead of having to watch it,
through "their" internet?

Even better, perhaps a download link,
in a format (like .mpg) that will play from a portable thumb drive
directly onto any video screen.

Or maybe a bit-torrent file, to save space?

cheers!

[Sanders]

Have you got a paypal button somewhere,
so i can purchase the complete video...?

So many things on my to-do list. I intend to get around to it ...

BTW you can watch my movie from my website which is not hosted at youtube.

[KrNel]

Nice site change. I was just on it the other day and it was not like so.

Good work. I'll offer my assisstance again if you need it (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Peace.

[Sanders]

Thanx, KrNel (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif)

[elreb]

I started at part 10 just to see where you were headed.

I’ll see what I can do…

[elreb]

While you are picking on Banks and such…you should include a chapter on the blood sucking IRS.

Warren Buffet admitted that he pays less tax than his secretary and Rachael Maddow admitted on MSNBC that “General Electric” and other mega corporations are allowed to have offshore storefronts to avoid “Income Taxes”. Offshore banking is an important part of the international financial system. Experts believe that as much as half the world's capital flows through offshore centers.

So who must pay these Gains and Profit taxes?

I have a 94 year old disable neighbor who has 15% of his Social Security Disability check garnished every month by the IRS. He just received a registered letter from them today threatening a 100% manual deduction if he does not pay all his alleged tax and penalties.

This is all done by an automated computer in Kansas City “without” the consent of a Judge. All his letters to them have been declared as “without merit” and his current fine of $500 will escalate to $5000 if he continues to debate them.

This is the reality of the “Federal” America” where the rich eat the poor, like the “Morlocks” do to the “Eloi” in the “Time Machine”.

[Sanders]

While you are picking on Banks and such…you should include a chapter on the blood sucking IRS....

I agree. But it's a really deep topic unto itself. Aaron Russo, while publicizing that "there is no law" requiring one to pay income tax, only scratched the surface. The 16 Amendment was never properly ratified, and even if it were, the Supreme Court has ruled more than once that the amendment does not give the federal government a right to lay a tax on people's labor.

But theyTM got around all that by staying quiet on the issue, never trying to get a proper law enacted, and then setting the IRS up as an OFFSHORE TRUST (in Puerto Rico) as opposed to a proper department of government.

If the courts weren't such tools and if the lawyers weren't so daft, many more people would be winning these lawsuits. The thing to do in court is ask them, "who are you"? "By what authority do you make these claims" and finally after the responses - "prove it".

But the best way to get around all this stuff is to just renounce United States Citizenship and become an American Citizen (or a Citizen of your state). I haven't tried to do this, but I'd like to. It's just a matter of boning up and filing the proper paperwork.

Nearly ALL people who think they are American Citizens are not. A real American (or state) Citizen who renounces citizenship to the legal entity of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA (caps) doesn't have to play all their games and pay all their bills ... legally.

Don't take my word for it, I'm not an expert ... but this guy is fairly knowledgable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYYiv0w9Vk0

[elreb]

The subject is very clear and very simple.

Income is nothing more than the Gains and Profits from the investment of Capital from doing business.

There is nothing wrong with the 16th Amendment. The problem is the “Modern” definition of “Income” as enforced by the “Gestapo” bastards at IRS who changed the meaning.

It began with the U.S. bank panic of 1907 which acted as the stimulus for a federal income tax “upon the privilege of doing business”. This lead to the 1909 tariff debate and The Corporate Tax Act of 1909 (36 Stat. 11, 112) that imposed an excise tax on corporations for the privilege of doing business in corporate form. However, the excise tax was measured by corporate income.

Thus the act was the origin of the current corporate income tax, which has been part of our federal tax system ever since and is currently the source of about 10 percent of federal revenues.
READ: Judicial and Statutory

Definitions of words and phrases collected, edited, and compiled by the members of the editorial staff of the National reporter system. Published 1904 by West Pub. Co. in St. Paul .

Go to page 3501 = “Income” means Gain…

http://books.google.com/books?id=NrUNAAAAY...204&f=false

READ: Go to page 167 part B = gains, profits, income derived from…of whatever kind…
http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Mi...comeTax1913.pdf

READ: Blacks Law Dictionary 1910…go to page 612
http://books.google.com/books?id=R2c8AAAAI...910&f=false

The IRS is the most abusive agency in the Government that does not use the Law and could care less about it.

EDIT on Aaron Russo:

Aaron Russo, while publicizing that "there is no law" requiring one to pay income tax...should be "requiring one to file income tax return".

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 20 2010, 06:01 PM

[Sanders]

I dug this out of one of my early posts in this thread ...

(IMG:http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9802/caribbeanzg3.jpg)

I have recently been looking into the Hamilton family (surname of the 1st Secretary of the Treasury) which is entwined with those of Spencer, Morgan, Russell, Pollock, Stewart, Gore ... and more. Very well connected.

http://urokomovie.com/genealogy/spencer.gif

Pollock derives from the Lugii ("head of Lug") (the Lugii apparently follow the Germanic migration from the Black Sea to Germania, the tribe was also in Scotland), Russell is Norman, Hamilton is Norman, Sinclair are the Norman descendants of Rollo, Seymour is Norman, Spencer derives from the French word "despencier" and is probably Norman, Morgan is Welsh, Leslie is royal Hungarian, Gore is Flemish and the Stewarts sprouted from a big supporter of Queen Margaret of Scotland's daughter Matilda and her claim to the throne against Stephen, Walter FitzAlan. FitzAlan came over to England from Brittany and Stewart roots are usually regarded as Breton, but Walter's father was Alan FitzFlaald so there's probably some Flemish in there. (The Stewart family is of particular interest to me because they feature the blue and white Cohen checks on their coat of arms.)

The 1st central bank in the US, the 1st National Bank of the United States, was Hamilton's project. The other founders fought him tooth and nail, but he finally got his way as part of a "Great Compromise" whereby Washington D.C. was carved out of property between the two states which were most strongly opposed to Hamilton's plan to federalize the states' collective war debt, Virginia and Maryland. Hamilton, as second in command of Washington's army, made preparations to instigate a coup d'etat against the US government while Adams was in office. Adams figured out Hamilton's plan and pulled the rug out from under him when peace was secured with France (Hamilton was using potential hostilities against France as an excuse to amass troops). This is NOT the Newburg Conspiracy which Hamilton also supported. There is nothing on the web - zero, zilch, about the coup planned (but never executed) by Hamilton that I'm talking about. (I've written a little about it here though and provide a source http://urokomovie.com/wordpress/?page_id=67 )

Anyway, Hamilton was born in the Caribbean.

Many of the elite families of early America were involved in the slave trade in one way or another, so this part of the world was their own "back yard" so to speak. Once they had a fair amount of control over US industry and politics, they wasted no time in kicking the Spanish out.

[Sanders]

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That's all true, but the fact remains the 16th amendment was not properly ratified.

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/ratification.asp
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

[elreb]

Great...more poop...

President George Washington appointed Hamilton as the first Secretary of the Treasury on September 11, 1789.

He left office on the last day of January 1795, and much of the structure of the Government of the United States was worked out in those five years, beginning with the structure and function of the Cabinet itself.

Forrest McDonald argues that Hamilton saw his office, like the British Chancellor of the Exchequer, as that of a Prime Minister; Hamilton would oversee his colleagues under the elective reign of George Washington.

Washington did request Hamilton's advice and assistance on matters outside the purview of the Treasury Department.

[elreb]

That's all true, but the fact remains the 16th amendment was not properly ratified.

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/ratification.asp
http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

Wonderful...but so what? It was a minor matter of legal law not being confused with civil law or public law.(by definition)

READ: Go to page 167 part B = gains, profits, income derived from…of whatever kind…

http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTPLawsuit/Mi...comeTax1913.pdf

I am really glad to be on this subject because it is a break from Egypt and I just so happen to be an "Expert" on tax law and tax history. This will help your movie.

PSS: What I find disconcerting is that you are getting around 150 hits a day and no one wants to jump in with useful information.

This post has been edited by elreb: Oct 20 2010, 06:41 PM