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Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.

EagleEye
post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

In it, towards the end of that segment they discuss the numerous cell phone calls that the public record tried to cover up, unsuccessfully, as you'll see in the video - where they tried to alter the narrative, to say that they were all via air phones, when that was clearly not the case.

Since there can be no cell phone coverage, in 2001 and not even now, in 2014 - at the altitudes and aircraft speeds referenced (for contiguous coverage from tower to tower) - then the calls can only have been made, from the ground.


In Operation Northwoods the passengers disembarked from the swapped plane at an army base i believe.

QUESTION #1)

Would there have been adequate time, giving the timing of those calls, which must have been made from the ground at a stationary location - for the original flights to have radar swapped with modified drone aircraft, and then landed, in order for those calls to have been made from passengers aboard the originating flights - or -

QUESTION #2)

must those passengers have remained grounded the whole time, where the swap took place at the level of the airport tarmac... and could THAT be done and if so, how?


You'll note in those calls, that the recipient indicated very clear and crisp reception with no background noise - and the "narrative" offered in the calls themselves seemed contrived and almost acted out.

This raises a very horrible image of innocent people reading scripts under duress, or a false pretense -but the last lady at the very end of the video, I tell you when you listen to it, it will give you chills...

The way she delivered it... and then at the end when she fumbles with the phone before saying goodbye, her voice cracking in emotion only at the end of her "delivery" - the whisper... oh God.

Please help me to understand this element, if the people were "handled" before they even took off, or only after they landed - because those calls could not have been made from altitude at 500mph. That's a fact.

Thank you.


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post Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM
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I do realize it's been 12 years now, but this cell phone issue, as highlighted in that documentary, is very troubling to me because of the implications involved in regards to innocent people forced to make these calls, from the ground, to their loved ones, reading from scripts to help generate the tear-jerking evocative narrative - which is even more tear jerking within the context of the reality of it.

They were probably told that it was part of an exercise of some kind - but the last lady, will have to watch it again and provide here name and the timeslot in the video, but she apparently knew the score and intentionally offered her delivery in a certain way to help make it clear that the situation wasn't really in accordance with what she was saying or she really would sound panicked.

As to their "handlers" I imagine stone-faced CIA military types, offering these people false precepts as to their situation and/or threats, to them, to the others also caught in the "sting" or "frame" and/or their family members, whatever was used to get them to cooperate and deliver their allotted scripts - which they delivered roboticly, like bad actors, which seems to me to demonstrate that they were begrudgingly cooperative.

How sad - how infuriating!
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post Jan 15 2014, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 01:30 PM) *
I do realize it's been 12 years now, but this cell phone issue, as highlighted in that documentary, is very troubling to me because of the implications involved in regards to innocent people forced to make these calls, from the ground, to their loved ones, reading from scripts to help generate the tear-jerking evocative narrative - which is even more tear jerking within the context of the reality of it.

They were probably told that it was part of an exercise of some kind - but the last lady, will have to watch it again and provide here name and the timeslot in the video, but she apparently knew the score and intentionally offered her delivery in a certain way to help make it clear that the situation wasn't really in accordance with what she was saying or she really would sound panicked.

As to their "handlers" I imagine stone-faced CIA military types, offering these people false precepts as to their situation and/or threats, to them, to the others also caught in the "sting" or "frame" and/or their family members, whatever was used to get them to cooperate and deliver their allotted scripts - which they delivered roboticly, like bad actors, which seems to me to demonstrate that they were begrudgingly cooperative.

How sad - how infuriating!


Could you tell me what is so unbelievable about the idea of a group of people buying tickets on a number of planes departing around the same time one morning and hijacking them?
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post Jan 15 2014, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 12:17 PM) *
Could you tell me what is so unbelievable about the idea of a group of people buying tickets on a number of planes departing around the same time one morning and hijacking them?


I guess you haven't been paying attention..

Try watching the documentary first, and then comment.

The apparently simplest explanation according to a faulty interpretation of Occam's Razor isn't necessarily true when the principal must be applied to all available information and phenomenon under observation.
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post Jan 15 2014, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 04:27 PM) *
I guess you haven't been paying attention..

Try watching the documentary first, and then comment.

The apparently simplest explanation according to a faulty interpretation of Occam's Razor isn't necessarily true when the principal must be applied to all available information and phenomenon under observation.
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The question was do you find it hard to believe that a group of people could get on a number of different planes departing at around the same time and hijack them. This doesn't involve you or me watching or not watching a documentary, or Occam's anything. It involves asking a simple question and answering it for yourself.
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post Jan 15 2014, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 02:42 PM) *
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The question was do you find it hard to believe that a group of people could get on a number of different planes departing at around the same time and hijack them. This doesn't involve you or me watching or not watching a documentary, or Occam's anything. It involves asking a simple question and answering it for yourself.


The point is there are facts in evidence, in this case - numerous cell phone calls were made that could not have been made unless the calls were made from a ground-based location.

What i meant by Occam's Razor was that it posits that the simplest explanation capable of taking into consideration all known information and phenomenon is the most likely.

Plane speed and performance, controlled flight, piloting, etc. is one issue, covered extensively by P4T, proving that the OS is not true, but so too is this cell phone issue.

The official story is not believable in light of all available information and phenomenon according to Occam's Razor, even though the alternative explanatory hypothesis may seem more "complex", an aspect or element of the operation that can be seen and recognized in hindsight, was actually anticipated and made use of in the most wicked and dastardly of ways.

The whole thing is a psy-op filled with psy-ops and "honey pots" and that's the problem for the "conspiracy theorist" never mind how much maligned the term "conspiracy theory" became, post JFK.

I could make an argument in light of all known facts and phenomenon regarding the 9/11 events, playing the tape back through to the inevitable planning phase, that this very thing played a KEY ROLE ie: that the simplest explanation in accordance with the OS narrative, would be adopted en mass, while every "conspiracy theory" under the sun would bifurcate endlessly around it, thus allowing the OS to become the adopted historical narrative because it's the easiest and simplest to believe, with the alternative left in the domain of the unbelievable, which even if it could be believed, is simply to wicked, too evil, and too heinous to even begin to fathom.

“It is as hard for the good to suspect evil, as it is for the bad to suspect good”

~ Marcus Tullius Cicero quotes (Ancient Roman Lawyer, Writer, Scholar, Orator and Statesman, 106 BC-43 BC)

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- EagleEye   Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
- - EagleEye   I described the last call referenced in the docume...   Jan 15 2014, 12:18 AM
- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 03:20 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 12:27 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 15 2014, 12:57 AM
||- - mainer   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 11:57 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 09:19 AM
||- - EagleEye   QUOTE (mainer @ Jan 15 2014, 05:19 AM) FW...   Jan 15 2014, 12:34 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 16 2014, 02:11 AM
- - EagleEye   I do realize it's been 12 years now, but this ...   Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM
|- - realitycheck77   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 01:30 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 04:17 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 12:1...   Jan 15 2014, 05:27 PM
|- - realitycheck77   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 04:27 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 06:42 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 02:4...   Jan 15 2014, 06:57 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 05:4...   Jan 17 2014, 01:55 AM
|- - paranoia   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 AM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 03:45 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 17 2014, 08:45 AM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 09:35 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 17 2014, 08:35...   Jan 18 2014, 12:37 AM
- - signalfire   It's been a few months since I read it, but El...   Jan 15 2014, 05:55 PM
|- - CharlesGWright   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 04:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:03 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 01:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:41 PM
- - signalfire   You'd need to put an RV group on it and then m...   Jan 15 2014, 06:38 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 02:38 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:47 PM
- - signalfire   Nothing except that you seem new to the research a...   Jan 15 2014, 07:03 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 03:03 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 08:08 PM
- - signalfire   I'm not even sure anymore what point you'r...   Jan 15 2014, 09:34 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 05:34 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 10:41 PM
- - Art   Cell phone records of the 9/11 passengers were obt...   Jan 16 2014, 07:23 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 16 2014, 03:23 PM) Cell ...   Jan 17 2014, 03:05 PM
|- - Art   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 03:05 PM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 01:43 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 17 2014, 09:43 PM) When ...   Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM
|- - Art   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM) ...   Jan 28 2014, 07:13 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 28 2014, 03:13 PM) Now I...   Jan 29 2014, 04:03 PM
- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 10:20 PM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 02:01 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 16 2014, 10:01 PM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 02:56 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 01:56 AM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 12:29 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 08:29 PM) C...   Jan 18 2014, 03:52 AM
- - EagleEye   i meant Todd Beamer   Jan 17 2014, 03:08 AM
- - nonflier   EagleEye, I started watching that again and this t...   Jan 17 2014, 04:26 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (nonflier @ Jan 17 2014, 12:26 PM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 06:37 PM
- - EagleEye   Let's watch the segment again http://www.yout...   Jan 18 2014, 04:31 AM
- - EagleEye   That's one heck of a conundrum for the authori...   Jan 18 2014, 04:44 AM
- - EagleEye   According to the documentary the FBI's own fil...   Jan 18 2014, 05:38 AM
- - EagleEye   This is even MORE devastating i think than other i...   Jan 18 2014, 05:49 AM
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- - EagleEye   Sorry NP1Mike, I was typing too much, and in try...   Jan 18 2014, 10:05 PM
- - EagleEye   Update/Summary additional reference point. http...   Jan 19 2014, 01:07 AM
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