Plate Tectonics And Continental Drift., And I thought I knew all about it... Options

[lunk]

Honestly I think the earth was spinning much faster way back when and the centrifugal forces made everything lighter.

It would seem to me that the tides which the moon generates, acts as a massive "brake" and is continually slowing the spin of the earth ever so slightly.

Of course I accept the fact that I may be full of crap with that idea. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I think that they found that the days were shorter going back in time,
so Earth must have been spinning faster...
because it was smaller?

When you pull yourself in to the center of a merry-go-round you go faster,
and when you move your weight back to the outside you slow down.

There is a slight difference in the weight of things between the equator and poles.
I don't know if it's because of the centrifugal force or that the Earth is an oblate spheroid and there is more mass and therefore more gravity at the equator.

I think more the latter.

[JFK]

I think it is exactly the opposite.... When it was spinning faster it was larger... As it slows it is getting more compacted at the core.

Remember the tsunami ? If I remember correctly the earth sped up a fraction when that happened, and that was what, a 60 mile long section the width of a 4 lane highway which "folded upon itself" ?
So that tells me it "shrunk" by that area.... and the tides continue to slow the spinning even after that brief increase.

It also seems as if NIST is updating their clocks much more often today than before the 80's.

I don't know, does this make sense to you ?

[lunk]

Islands moved, the ocean floor sprung up, causing big waves.
If something grows, doesn't it get bigger?

"The Indian plate's jarring slide released the Burma microplate from its tension, causing it to spring violently upwards, the report said."

http://us.rediff.com/news/2004/dec/30map.htm

If everything on the surface moves "out",
that must mean the Earth is growing:

http://danger.mongabay.com/earthquake/2004/Simeulue.html

"Quake movement 'shifted islands' Dec 28, 2004
A tsunami spawned by the 9.0-magnitude quake off the northern tip of Sumatra ... off the northern tip of Sumatra moved the Nicobar Islands and Simeulue Island out ... The Australian,"

There is no subduction on a grand scale, there can't be.

imo, lunk

[JFK]

The spin factor.

http://www.nature.com/news/2004/041229/ful...ws041229-6.html

[lunk]

They have been adjusting their atomic clocks lots.

So what happens to the weight of something at the pole if the Earth increases its' spin?

Did the really big dinosaurs live only near the Equator?

[JFK]

My guess would be yes... + or - probably 45 degrees.... of wherever the equater happened to be at that point in time.

[lunk]

"Good news for overachievers: Earth's days are getting longer!
Researchers examining ancient corals noted that annual growth patterns suggested there were more days in a year in Earth's distant past. Fossil corals, 380 million years old, from the Devonian Period recorded 400 daily cycles. About 290 million years ago in the Pennsylvanian Period, there appear to have been 390 daily cycles each year. Assuming that Earth's revolution around our Sun has not changed dramatically, this means that the number of hours per day has been increasing and that Earth's rotation has been slowing. Today's day length is 24 hours. During the Pennsylvanian Period a day was ~22.4 hours long. In the Devonian Period, a day was ~21.8 hours long. Earth's rotation appears to be slowing approximately 2 seconds every 100,000 years. Why are Earth's days getting longer? Some scientists suggest that tidal cycles create a “drag” on Earth, causing it to slow down."

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/skytelle...ght/about.shtml

I think you need much more spin on this idea to make your theory on big dinosaurs only existing between the 45 degree parallels because of centrifugal force.

You got to find more spin then that
to make your quetzalcoatlus fly.

imo, lunk

[JFK]

Ummm, would that not mean the spin rate is slowing ?

Also in my first post in this thread I did say

Of course I accept the fact that I may be full of crap with that idea. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[lunk]

Yes, the Earth has been slowing down as it has grown.
Maybe not entirely because of it's growth.

Even at this, somewhat, faster rate of spin, on a prehistoric Earth, the fact that mega giant creatures existed can only be explained by there being less gravity then.

So far in this thread, I hope to have shown that
all the continents fitted perfectly together on a smaller, earlier Earth;
dinosaurs were bigger then, than possible today, because there was less gravity
and (thanks JFK) the smaller Earth was spinning faster.

The Earth grew and the same is true for most other heavenly bodies.

I also gave a more reasonable explanation for the formation of mountain ranges, valleys, plains, volcanoes and their locations then explained by the present, demonstrably wrong, theory of plate tectonics.

imo, lunk

[dMz]

I think it is exactly the opposite.... When it was spinning faster it was larger... As it slows it is getting more compacted at the core.

Hi JFK,

In order to satisfy Conservation of Angular Momentum, the larger radius requires slower angular speed. This should be true for Earth or nearly any other physical object for that matter. Now as to whether the mass/density of Earth has remained "constant" as mainstream science claims, I don't think Lunk has gotten into that yet. I think it's in the works though.

Spinning ice skaters is the classic example in physics:

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/solarsys/angmom.html

http://uw.physics.wisc.edu/%7Ewonders/IceSkater.html

An example that might be familiar to you is an "over-square" short-stroke Formula One race car or motorcylce engine spinning at near 20,000 RPM vs. a high-torque industrial or marine diesel topping out near 2500 RPM. FWIW, I do know a fuel injector from a harmonic dampener. Just be sure to torque those muffler bearings. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...13103620AA9jJcJ

[JFK]

Yes dMole, I know what you say is true. But have you factored in the eons of the drag produced by the moon via tides ?

That is why I said it was slowing ( IMO ).

And if a body the size of the earth slows would it not follow that the loss of centrifugal force would tend to compress what is already here ?

Anyway that is how I envision the unenvisionable. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[lunk]

But have you factored in the eons of the drag produced by the moon via tides ?

According to the rainbow map there were no oceans 100 million years ago.
The continents are up to 5000 million years old.

I don't see the oceans being a factor in slowing down the Earth in the past, but they may be becoming more of one, now.

I know...
where did all that salt water come from?

I think it oozes out of the mid ocean rift volcanic plumes where the new sea floor is being created, as well.

I don't know what processes are creating more matter under the sea floor, though.
This sounds bizarre, but it somehow must be happening because of all the evidence of the Earth having grown.

imo, lunk

[lunk]

Tectonic spreads on Titan:

(IMG:http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/228592main_PIA10654-516.jpg)

"A set of three parallel ridges was seen by the Cassini spacecraft's radar instrument during the latest Titan flyby on May 12, 2008. This combination is unlikely to be a coincidence -- the best explanation for these features is that they are tilted or separated blocks of broken or faulted crust, now exposed as high ridges. Their regular spacing is typical of regions that have been compressed or extended over large areas; as an example, the western United States Basin and Range Province was formed by extension."

Seems to them:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/...a/pia10654.html

Seams, to me.

imo, lunk

[lunk]

The other day I was talking to a friend about the Earth getting bigger, and he said that his old geology teacher explained this to his class in high school in Saskatchewan 25 (or so) years ago! He didn't seem to think that it was a big deal.

Strange how the things we are told when we are young
are so easily unquestioned as facts when we are older.

I must give all the credit for the growing Earth explanation of geology, to Neal Adams.

When I first ran across his website, I laughed, I thought it was a joke, and like most, dismissed it and went looking for something else.
Later, I stumbled on a forum on mathematics. And there were all these math freaks dissin' Neal.
I didn't like this, and Neal Adams wasn't even there.
So, I logged on and stood up in favor of whose ideas, everyone else was against. I didn't even completely understand his theory when I began to post, but I learned much of it, while I was there "sticking up" for Neal.
I now know that the Earth is growing, like the moon, like Mars and all the other planets.
I now see the whole theory of plate tectonics with subduction and Pangaea as laughable.
...sort of like 9/11, once you see through the official story, you can't go back.

Any how there are lots of good videos and documentation
on Neal Adams theory of the growing Earth here:

http://www.nealadams.com/nmu.html

http://www.nealadams.com/morescience.html


cheers, lunk

[lunk]

The grooved spheres.

(IMG:http://www.virtuescience.com/iapetus.jpg)

2800 million years old:

http://www.virtuescience.com/grooved-spheres.html

Small things grow very slowly,
and every snowflake is different.

imo, lunk

This post has been edited by lunk: Jul 10 2008, 01:12 AM

[lunk]

How do things grow?

All matter has gravity and attracts other matter, so some things can grow in space by just clumping together and gaining more gravity. But individual atoms are also attracted to these gravitational points, and are so small that they go right through the outside surface, toward the center of gravity of these clumps.
Now as these atoms go toward the center the gravity, within the clumps, gravity will decrease.
If there are similar atoms inside these clumps these individual atoms latch on, and you have crystalline growth from the inside of these clumps of matter. This happens very, very slowly over millions of years. As the clumps grow, through internal crystalline growth, a hollow develops on the inside, as the crystals grow against each other, in the under crust, of the clump of matter. The outside of the clump is held together by the same principle as the geodesic sphere. As the clump grows it gains more gravity and attracts even more individual atoms, causing it to grow faster.

Ever wondered how a geode forms?

[lunk]

I have yet to see a geode filled with water:

http://skywalker.cochise.edu/wellerr/stude...eode/Geodes.htm

They seem water tight.

Now, even solids have a vapor pressure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_pressure

All solids sublimate atoms, or molecules.
Could these atoms be small enough to drift into a geode and latch on to the inner crystals, causing the geode to grow very slowly from within?

I don't think I'm breaking any laws of physics.

[lunk]

There are other forces of geological change too,
For instance if one undermines a mountain...

The rock fractures and slip points extend well beyond the project limits, outside of Arthon's work areas. The amount involved is significant and is being evaluated by Ministry of Transportation Geotechnical Engineers for stability and safety.

http://www.arthon.com/projects/summerland/RoadClosures2.html

(IMG:http://www.arthon.com/projects/summerland/images/InstabilitySlipArea.jpg)

(IMG:http://www.arthon.com/projects/summerland/images/fissures_aerial_slipplane_chopper.jpg)


The road they were trying to widen,
is now closed until further notice.

300 000 cubic meters of mountain is sliding at 10-20 mm/day.
If this falls into the lake, it could make a very big wave.

...thinking of building an ark.

[dMz]

The tree as such is not a closed system as far as input of matter is concerned whereas the earth too a large extent is.

Are there any closed systems in the universe? I'm not aware of a scientific consensus of what shape/size one of those is either. Didn't the cosmologists just need to stuff a bunch of "dark matter" everywhere to get their mouldy theory of gravity to work?

EDIT: He he hee! Guess what NASA's page says to me?

"There's a problem with your browser or settings.

Your browser or your browser's settings are not supported."

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/...a/pia10654.html

You don't think they've read my stuff here on James E. Hansen do you? Hmmm....

[lunk]

Most of the time, all we have, is a still picture, of geology.
Masses like mountains form extremely slowly, like the stars in the sky,
we couldn't explain them,
so we make up stories, over time, generations, those stories are
so intertwined with facts that it is almost impossible to see through
the quick evolving myths.
Religions are changing and replaced, but the myths live on, and have infiltrated
the new religion, science.
How much of the stuff we do is based on myth?

If, the idea of plate tectonics and continental drift is wrong,
then the fundamentals of geology are wrong.
Dig a tunnel across a tectonic spread and it may eventually collapse.
undermine a mountain, with your fundamental theory of geology being wrong,
and what do you think could happen?

I think that if we were brought up, knowing the actual real reasons for everything,
each one of us would inevitably become
a self sufficient sustaining individual entity with infinite potential, possibly, forever.

Almost the opposite of what we have now, and where we are heading.

But first we must discern the facts out of all the gobbledygook.
Then we have a solid foundation to build up, on.

Stuck in a finite isolated spot, in an infinite universe.

This is ridiculous.

imo, lunk