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Ups Pilot Ids Ua175 As A 737

kawika
post Oct 12 2011, 01:38 PM
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The ATC asks UPS5653 to ID traffic at 8:52 am. Here is portion of the handwritten log:



It says: 12:52--Asks UPS5653. Can you tell if traffic is an AAL. Yes, we think it is. Now he's going behind. Can you tell type. Looked like 73--Not sure if AAl. Pretty positive 73.

I am asking pilots to find the commander of that flight and interview him on this subject.

Surely a UPS pilot knows the difference between a 73 and a 76.

There are other transcripts with choppers who were close to the WTC right after WTC2 was hit and they said UA175 was a 737 also.

If you want the files, send me a PM with your email. PDFs less than 6MB each.
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post Oct 12 2011, 08:01 PM
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American Airlines 767 N334AA -




American Airlines 737-800



737-300



737-200

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post Oct 14 2011, 12:15 AM
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[quote name='kawika' date='Oct 13 2011, 04:08 AM' post='10801945']
The ATC asks UPS5653 to ID traffic at 8:52 am. Here is portion of the handwritten log:



It says: 12:52--Asks UPS5653. Can you tell if traffic is an AAL. Yes, we think it is. Now he's going behind. Can you tell type. Looked like 73--Not sure if AAl. Pretty positive 73.

I am asking pilots to find the commander of that flight and interview him on this subject.

Surely a UPS pilot knows the difference between a 73 and a 76.

Dear 'kawika'

It is also interesting, how the airtraffic controller chose to correct the description given, to that of a 767.

The smaller version of the 737, is only about 100 feet long, and has an interesting vertical stabiliser, and nose, profile too.

It would also be good to know, if a 737 was actually anywhere near where the aircraft was reported.

Did United Airlines have any 737, if so were any flying anywhere near where the aircraft was reported, the colour description that the pilot reported was that it was a 'dark colour'.

What other airlines had 'dark colour' livery, and did they have any 737, and were any anywhere near where the aircraft was reported.

As you have intimated, surely an experienced pilot should have been able to tell the difference.

Robert

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post Jul 12 2012, 06:09 AM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Oct 13 2011, 10:31 AM) *
American Airlines 767 N334AA -




American Airlines 737-800



737-300



737-200



Dear Mr Balsamo

Were there many Boeing 737-200, flying American skys, in September 2001?

separate question

Has any body sighted, the outerskin panel, photographed on top of WTC5, at any of the September 2001 displays?

Robert S
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post Jul 14 2012, 05:05 AM
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QUOTE (kawika @ Oct 13 2011, 04:08 AM) *
The ATC asks UPS5653 to ID traffic at 8:52 am. Here is portion of the handwritten log:



It says: 12:52--Asks UPS5653. Can you tell if traffic is an AAL. Yes, we think it is. Now he's going behind. Can you tell type. Looked like 73--Not sure if AAl. Pretty positive 73.

I am asking pilots to find the commander of that flight and interview him on this subject.

Surely a UPS pilot knows the difference between a 73 and a 76.

There are other transcripts with choppers who were close to the WTC right after WTC2 was hit and they said UA175 was a 737 also.

If you want the files, send me a PM with your email. PDFs less than 6MB each.


Dear 'kawika'

The point you raise is very valid.
It would seem from no further posting on this, that no "intrepid" aviator has stepped forward yet.

From the illustrations provided by Mr Balsamo, it is clearly apparent the differences the observer would have been considering.

There was yet another Boeing 737, which was a bit shorter than the 200 series, about six feet memory suggests.

But one thing they had in common was the profile of the vertical stabilizer, and engines mounted in long cylindrical housing, both aircraft, for all purposes much shorter than a Boeing 767, in fact only one hundred feet and less.

What would stick out most, in the distance, in a brief view window?

Most likely, size, engine profile, and vertical stabilizer profile.

Position of horizontal stabilizer and wing position on fueslage, more difficult to realize in a brief look.

Whilst it is understandable that a pilot wanting to maintain their, professional engagement, would be cautious of identifying themself, none the less somebody made that report.

Surely they can use their imagination, or courage, to bring some better understanding forward.

let's hope so.

Robert S
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post Jul 15 2012, 08:58 AM
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Did somebody make that report, or was the report simply generated on its own?
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post Jul 31 2012, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Jul 13 2012, 11:58 AM) *
Did somebody make that report, or was the report simply generated on its own?


It is the transcript of the radio calls. Note the adjustments of times backwards by ~5 minutes.
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post Aug 11 2012, 09:20 AM
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the plane that hit the South Tower was not UAL 175 one of the numbers doesnt even match.

I dont know whether it was a 737 or what it was, but whatever the **** it was it was most certainly not Flight 175.
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post Aug 11 2012, 01:33 PM
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The question is, what actually happened to 175? Did it depart BOS that day, or not? Why were there 2 radio calls using its callsign?
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