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Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.

EagleEye
post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

In it, towards the end of that segment they discuss the numerous cell phone calls that the public record tried to cover up, unsuccessfully, as you'll see in the video - where they tried to alter the narrative, to say that they were all via air phones, when that was clearly not the case.

Since there can be no cell phone coverage, in 2001 and not even now, in 2014 - at the altitudes and aircraft speeds referenced (for contiguous coverage from tower to tower) - then the calls can only have been made, from the ground.


In Operation Northwoods the passengers disembarked from the swapped plane at an army base i believe.

QUESTION #1)

Would there have been adequate time, giving the timing of those calls, which must have been made from the ground at a stationary location - for the original flights to have radar swapped with modified drone aircraft, and then landed, in order for those calls to have been made from passengers aboard the originating flights - or -

QUESTION #2)

must those passengers have remained grounded the whole time, where the swap took place at the level of the airport tarmac... and could THAT be done and if so, how?


You'll note in those calls, that the recipient indicated very clear and crisp reception with no background noise - and the "narrative" offered in the calls themselves seemed contrived and almost acted out.

This raises a very horrible image of innocent people reading scripts under duress, or a false pretense -but the last lady at the very end of the video, I tell you when you listen to it, it will give you chills...

The way she delivered it... and then at the end when she fumbles with the phone before saying goodbye, her voice cracking in emotion only at the end of her "delivery" - the whisper... oh God.

Please help me to understand this element, if the people were "handled" before they even took off, or only after they landed - because those calls could not have been made from altitude at 500mph. That's a fact.

Thank you.


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signalfire
post Jan 15 2014, 09:34 PM
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I'm not even sure anymore what point you're trying to make, unless it's that the farther you go down the rabbit hole, the farther down the rabbit hole you are. Ridicule has always been used to shut up those who would point out the obvious. The term 'conspiracy theorist' is just another form of ridicule. When people call me a 'truther' I like to point out to them that the opposite of 'truther' is 'liar' and ask them what exactly are they so afraid of, if truth is the object of the discussion?

The problem is that we have many questions and few answers, because a proper investigation never happened. We're left with conjecture and 'most likely' scenarios.

I still wonder about the people that automatically dismiss the possibility of mininukes; since these have been in the US arsenal for decades, information about them is readily available unlike Judy Wood's space based (or whatever) weapons, and nukes of small yield and short lived radiation signatures explain ALL the anomalies seen at the time and in the pile and evidence thereafter, especially the sustained heat in the pile for months afterwards and the massive beams that were turned into taffy in a few seconds or less.

Once you see it, you can't unsee it, and Prager's work proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the daughter products of fission were very much present in the dust studied after the fact; it's just a shame that the initial study of the dust was for air toxin hazards and not by people with a training in nuclear physics, and then Steven Jones muddied the waters with his thermite theory, which absolutely does not account for the collapse of the buildings. Thermite is not explosive enough and does not produce enough heat to turn massive beams into twisted slumps, throw hundred ton assemblies hundreds of feet out laterally, much less turn the office contents and concrete floor panels into pyroclastic dust, and 'evaporate' people as reported by a few eyewitnesses.

The reason I celebrate Prager's work is that it gets very little play in the Truth Movement and my fear is that without an honest airing of that possibility, not only will the medical personnel who work with the responders and NYC inhabitants not fully know what medical issues they are dealing with, but it increases by several orders of magnitude the likelihood that 'they' will do it again whenever it suits them. NYC was nuked and of that, there can be no doubt. It's far more important to me than is worrying about why the planes were angled just so, or what the people in the hotel saw on the video tape before it was confiscated.

Thanks for your input but I'm done here; I prefer question and answer sessions that have more of a point to them, rather than some round robin thing. If you are so long to this discussion I wonder about your perseveration on these topics, but of course we all fixate on certain issues.
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post Jan 15 2014, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 05:34 PM) *


No worries, I was just trying to describe the nature of what i call "the honey pot", which, from the POV of the OS believers, represented another kind of trap, and one we all fell into almost to a one, where we've been shaking it off by varying degrees as time passes and the historical data continues to pile up looking back.

As to mini-nukes, I suppose that's possible, especially if the signature was present in the dust, but i don't see it when i look at the video evidence and the phenomenon of destruction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

However, at the same time it's somewhat hard to explain the central core "eruption" of the buildings purely in terms of conventional explosives, along with the almost complete pulverization of nearly all the building material such that there were no mangled chairs and filing cabinets, etc. etc. left in the pile and no human remains except small splinters of bone fragments, along with the super high temperatures that remained, I can see where you're coming from, and it might indeed be right.

But for the purpose of the "truth movement" as the movement of the truth itself, namely that the OS is a lie and cannot be believed, is it not sufficient merely to prove that the buildings did not really "collapse" from the plane impacts and fire as everyone was led to believe, but must have been demolished in some kind of high precision engineered demolition starting from around the impact areas?

Then, once most everyone can see that clearly for themselves, and the historical record in the court of public opinion reaches the necessary "tipping point" perhaps then the actual method can be explored further.

But you're right that since there was no real investigation, what are we to do but our own independent investigations.

And everyone seems to have a certain focus as you say.

This is the research forum so there's nothing wrong with a little speculation, since the scientific method involves both deductive and inductive methods of reasoning, which requires hypotheses that can then be examined in accordance with all known information, facts and phenomenon.

So please don't get the wrong idea. I'm not ridiculing you for raising your favorite and most celebrated line of inquiry when it comes to examining what really happened on 9/11, I'm just saying that we ought to approach pretty much everything we do and say, research and present, with a certain awareness and understanding as to the nature of what we're trying to represent and explain to the public, as well as others in certain spheres of influence who are watching closely this movement, because of it's unstoppable and inevitable nature, given the great question that the event still poses to this day - just WTF really happened on September 11th, 2001.

Probably about fully HALF the world considers this and asks this question from time to time, particularly in light of things that are connected to 9/11 and are still relevant, like the state of Iraq, Afghanistan, the NSA leaks, TSA groping and uncaring treatment of people flying to and fro who are treated like criminals and like cattle, the militarization of the bureaucracy ie: rise of the police state, loss of privacy and civil liberties - there's much at state and someone it's fallen in no small measure to the 9/11 truth movement researchers to educate the public about that event.

The documentary linked in the OP did I think a very very good job of that, as have the Pilots for 9/11 Truth, as does A&E4911T, not as much John Bursill at 9/11 blogger who thinks he runs the truth movement from down under, and definitely not so much the no planers, and their hero John Lear, no so much Judy Wood and her DEW, and by it's honey pot nature - not those who focus on the lack of evidence at the Pentagon for the impact of a Boeing 757, not because it DID hit the wall of the Pentagon but only because there was a large Boeing at the scene of the crime.

I just think that we need to be careful and AWARE of what we are representing, that's all, where even if it happens to be true, if it's of a highly incredible nature that people have a hard time believing, perhaps it might not be the best thing to be leading with, that's all i'm saying.

But that was my view towards the cell phone calls - until i watched that presentation, and then it became crystal clear to me that those cell phone calls although "faked" were not "fake" at all, but were actually made by the people who owned them, to their loved ones, but from the GROUND, while also reading out scripts given to them, which would help to create the narrative.

I don't know why it is, because I'm aware that they blew up those buildings on the heads of innocent people and brave firemen and rescue workers - but this cell phone thing makes me very ANGRY, especially when i listened to that lady leaving that answering machine message - it made me cry, and then it made me MAD, and I don't usually get mad, even when i hear about the worst atrocities, which make me sad more than anything, because of the sickness of so many in the world. It's probably because this was not just about some crazy asshole who did something to so and so, but career people with credentials and experience, knowledge and awareness, doing these thing to fulfill a POLICY AGENDA, as if serving their country in the process of putting their own countrymen to DEATH, unnecessarily as a pretext to wage unjust war of aggression and then to basically make a POWER GRAB over their dead bodies on the basis of a LIE and a murderous HOAX.

Evil's bad enough when it doesn't know what it's doing - but when it does, then there's hell to pay for any and all who were aware of what they were doing and what they were involved in.

I was willing to try to forgive people like Dick Cheney, believe it or not, until I ran across this video and really processed the magnitude of what they did.

It's unforgivable, and that's not like me to say something like that.

They'd better HOPE to God there is no God, or they're fucked if there is because if there's one that knows all things and sees all things, for him true Justice will be served.


Sorry for rambling, I guess i've kind of killed my own thread, but i needed to get this out and off my chest, because it's the most disturbing thing these cell phone calls that i've come across in all my researching over the years.

EE



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- EagleEye   Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
- - EagleEye   I described the last call referenced in the docume...   Jan 15 2014, 12:18 AM
- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 03:20 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 12:27 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 15 2014, 12:57 AM
||- - mainer   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 11:57 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 09:19 AM
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|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 16 2014, 02:11 AM
- - EagleEye   I do realize it's been 12 years now, but this ...   Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM
|- - realitycheck77   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 01:30 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 04:17 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 12:1...   Jan 15 2014, 05:27 PM
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|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 05:4...   Jan 17 2014, 01:55 AM
|- - paranoia   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 AM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 03:45 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 17 2014, 08:45 AM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 09:35 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Jan 17 2014, 08:35...   Jan 18 2014, 12:37 AM
- - signalfire   It's been a few months since I read it, but El...   Jan 15 2014, 05:55 PM
|- - CharlesGWright   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 04:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:03 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 01:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:41 PM
- - signalfire   You'd need to put an RV group on it and then m...   Jan 15 2014, 06:38 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 02:38 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:47 PM
- - signalfire   Nothing except that you seem new to the research a...   Jan 15 2014, 07:03 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 03:03 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 08:08 PM
- - signalfire   I'm not even sure anymore what point you'r...   Jan 15 2014, 09:34 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 05:34 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 10:41 PM
- - Art   Cell phone records of the 9/11 passengers were obt...   Jan 16 2014, 07:23 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 16 2014, 03:23 PM) Cell ...   Jan 17 2014, 03:05 PM
|- - Art   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 03:05 PM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 01:43 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 17 2014, 09:43 PM) When ...   Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM
|- - Art   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM) ...   Jan 28 2014, 07:13 PM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 28 2014, 03:13 PM) Now I...   Jan 29 2014, 04:03 PM
- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 10:20 PM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 02:01 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 16 2014, 10:01 PM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 02:56 AM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 01:56 AM) ...   Jan 18 2014, 12:29 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 08:29 PM) C...   Jan 18 2014, 03:52 AM
- - EagleEye   i meant Todd Beamer   Jan 17 2014, 03:08 AM
- - nonflier   EagleEye, I started watching that again and this t...   Jan 17 2014, 04:26 PM
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- - EagleEye   Let's watch the segment again http://www.yout...   Jan 18 2014, 04:31 AM
- - EagleEye   That's one heck of a conundrum for the authori...   Jan 18 2014, 04:44 AM
- - EagleEye   According to the documentary the FBI's own fil...   Jan 18 2014, 05:38 AM
- - EagleEye   This is even MORE devastating i think than other i...   Jan 18 2014, 05:49 AM
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- - EagleEye   Sorry NP1Mike, I was typing too much, and in try...   Jan 18 2014, 10:05 PM
- - EagleEye   Update/Summary additional reference point. http...   Jan 19 2014, 01:07 AM
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