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Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.

EagleEye
post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

In it, towards the end of that segment they discuss the numerous cell phone calls that the public record tried to cover up, unsuccessfully, as you'll see in the video - where they tried to alter the narrative, to say that they were all via air phones, when that was clearly not the case.

Since there can be no cell phone coverage, in 2001 and not even now, in 2014 - at the altitudes and aircraft speeds referenced (for contiguous coverage from tower to tower) - then the calls can only have been made, from the ground.


In Operation Northwoods the passengers disembarked from the swapped plane at an army base i believe.

QUESTION #1)

Would there have been adequate time, giving the timing of those calls, which must have been made from the ground at a stationary location - for the original flights to have radar swapped with modified drone aircraft, and then landed, in order for those calls to have been made from passengers aboard the originating flights - or -

QUESTION #2)

must those passengers have remained grounded the whole time, where the swap took place at the level of the airport tarmac... and could THAT be done and if so, how?


You'll note in those calls, that the recipient indicated very clear and crisp reception with no background noise - and the "narrative" offered in the calls themselves seemed contrived and almost acted out.

This raises a very horrible image of innocent people reading scripts under duress, or a false pretense -but the last lady at the very end of the video, I tell you when you listen to it, it will give you chills...

The way she delivered it... and then at the end when she fumbles with the phone before saying goodbye, her voice cracking in emotion only at the end of her "delivery" - the whisper... oh God.

Please help me to understand this element, if the people were "handled" before they even took off, or only after they landed - because those calls could not have been made from altitude at 500mph. That's a fact.

Thank you.


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NP1Mike
post Jan 17 2014, 02:01 AM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 10:20 PM) *
Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk



I was made aware of the video a few months ago and bought a copy.
It is one of the best on the subject of 9/11.

There were only a few items that were new to me in the video, but still, I bought it after viewing online to give to family members.

One of the items I was not aware of was the "It's a frame" comment left on the answering machine.
That certainly was chilling!
And, as pointed out, a smoking gun that definitely slipped by the perps.

The questions you ask can't possibly be answered by anyone. Any answer would involve PURE speculation, so I don't know why you keep asking them.




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EagleEye
post Jan 17 2014, 02:56 AM
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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 16 2014, 10:01 PM) *
I was made aware of the video a few months ago and bought a copy.
It is one of the best on the subject of 9/11.

There were only a few items that were new to me in the video, but still, I bought it after viewing online to give to family members.

One of the items I was not aware of was the "It's a frame" comment left on the answering machine.
That certainly was chilling!
And, as pointed out, a smoking gun that definitely slipped by the perps.

The questions you ask can't possibly be answered by anyone. Any answer would involve PURE speculation, so I don't know why you keep asking them.


You make a good point. i was just curious if these people were ever in the air, and if there was sufficient time to land and disembark in order for those calls to have been made.

Either way, according to the official story, those cell phone calls could not have been, on the whole, taken collectively, from the altitude and speed they were reported to have been made from, and must therefore have been made from the ground, whereby the callers were offering a scripted narrative which was not their actual circumstance.

I was just curious as to the timing and the window of time involved, which may prove that the cell phone "passengers" never took off that day.

Either way, it's incontrovertible evidence when taken as a whole, that their true situation and obvious predicament involved something other than being on the hijacked aircraft at the time the calls were made.

The somewhat "canned" nature of most of the deliveries of certain bits of information in regards to the hijackers, and the situation, further reveals that the scripts these people were giving was for them being done under false pretense, most likely that they were caught up in a military exercise involving "simulated hijackings", which could explain the tone and style of much of that record in regards to the way the story was delivered and relayed which did not seem to be congruent with the real world situation - and then there's that last lady, who's voice broke only at the end in saying what she seemed to understand implicitly was her final goodbye, and then that fumbling with the phone and the whisper - "it's a frame"

Regardless of which planes took off or were swapped, it doesn't matter, you're right.

What it shows though in incontrovertible terms, as far as i can tell, is that the official story is not true at all in this regard and simply cannot be believed, no matter what the implication of the alternative scenario might be, which must include the handling of these people, in a secure location, on the GROUND.

No need to spoof all the caller ID's or to voicemorph every individuals vocal and language patterning, which inadvertently "feeds the honey pot" with unnecessary information, which, in light of what's proven, is entirely superfluous, and what might be though of as not credible, and as pointed out, unnecessary.

In light of new information, and incontrovertible evidence that cannot be denied, why then lay over it layers of unneeded and unnecessary "conspiracy theory" particularly if that theory would be considered by many if not most to be not credible or believable.

We should never cover up, ourselves, what's clear as day, in this case that the calls were made, and were made from the ground, and they were the real people, caught up in what they must have thought to be a military exercise involving simulated hijacked aircraft perhaps with some of them a little more aware and up to speed on the true nature of their situation than others.

So forgetting about the plane swap element, and whether or not they had sufficient time to land, because that's irrelevant to the fact that the calls can only have been placed, on the whole, from the ground - what else can be deduced?

Except for that whisper, none "spilled the beans" or said anything about being part of an exercise and thus not to worry, so one thing that can be deduced is that they were strongly coached on what to say, and what not to say.

One could imagine i suppose a whole serious of psychological frames or pressure points that could have been used without unduly alarming the callers to the point that they would panic and say the wrong thing.

I had also considered that maybe they were collected on an aircraft at the terminal on the ground and then parked. However, the recipients of the calls remarked at how clear the calls were, and the lack of any background noise. Also, if the people were being handled in a group, whether on a grounded plane or in a room, whatever pretense might have been used could be more apt to fall apart if someone panics, or shouts out, or tries to influence the others around them. Therefore, although this may be speculation, as a type of inductive and deductive reasoning, it's probably fair to assume that they were isolated from one another, or at most in the case of flight 93, handled as a small group ie: when Mark Bingham made his famous "let's roll" comment, albeit at the wrong time in terms of the sequencing of events.

It's ok to speculate and generate hypotheses to a degree, until we begin to undermine, unneccesarily, the very facts that we've uncovered and brought to light.


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post Jan 18 2014, 12:29 AM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 17 2014, 01:56 AM) *
Either way, according to the official story, those cell phone calls could not have been, on the whole, taken collectively, from the altitude and speed they were reported to have been made from, and must therefore have been made from the ground, whereby the callers were offering a scripted narrative which was not their actual circumstance.

I was just curious as to the timing and the window of time involved, which may prove that the cell phone "passengers" never took off that day.

Either way, it's incontrovertible evidence when taken as a whole, that their true situation and obvious predicament involved something other than being on the hijacked aircraft at the time the calls were made.


Something still needs to be worked out. Maybe you can take it upon yourself to investigate.

Everyone except Popular Mechanics knows that the cellphone calls could not have been made at the altitude the planes were flying at.

At the 2006 Moussaoui trial, even the FBI confirmed that no cell phone calls were connected from the planes.

So what needs to be resolved is whether the conversations that took place and the answering machine message(s) that were left were made with cell phones, 'seat back' phones or other phones.

Can we safely rule out cellphones from the planes AND on ground? The FBI would have said cell phone calls were connected if they were.

What phones were used to make these calls and how were the numbers of the cell phones displayed on the phones picking up the calls?

It is still somewhat complicated.

But your scenario of on the ground calls makes the most sense, and in a 'forced' setting.






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- EagleEye   Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
- - EagleEye   I described the last call referenced in the docume...   Jan 15 2014, 12:18 AM
- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 03:20 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 12:27 AM
|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 15 2014, 12:57 AM
||- - mainer   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 11:57 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 09:19 AM
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|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (MikeR @ Jan 14 2014, 08:27 PM) You...   Jan 16 2014, 02:11 AM
- - EagleEye   I do realize it's been 12 years now, but this ...   Jan 15 2014, 02:30 PM
|- - realitycheck77   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 01:30 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 04:17 PM
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|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (realitycheck77 @ Jan 15 2014, 05:4...   Jan 17 2014, 01:55 AM
|- - paranoia   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 12:55 AM) I...   Jan 17 2014, 03:45 AM
|- - onesliceshort   QUOTE (paranoia @ Jan 17 2014, 08:45 AM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 09:35 AM
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- - signalfire   It's been a few months since I read it, but El...   Jan 15 2014, 05:55 PM
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|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (signalfire @ Jan 15 2014, 01:55 PM...   Jan 15 2014, 06:41 PM
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|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 17 2014, 09:43 PM) When ...   Jan 18 2014, 04:01 AM
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|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (Art @ Jan 28 2014, 03:13 PM) Now I...   Jan 29 2014, 04:03 PM
- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 14 2014, 10:20 PM) ...   Jan 17 2014, 02:01 AM
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|- - EagleEye   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 17 2014, 08:29 PM) C...   Jan 18 2014, 03:52 AM
- - EagleEye   i meant Todd Beamer   Jan 17 2014, 03:08 AM
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- - EagleEye   That's one heck of a conundrum for the authori...   Jan 18 2014, 04:44 AM
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