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Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.

EagleEye
post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

In it, towards the end of that segment they discuss the numerous cell phone calls that the public record tried to cover up, unsuccessfully, as you'll see in the video - where they tried to alter the narrative, to say that they were all via air phones, when that was clearly not the case.

Since there can be no cell phone coverage, in 2001 and not even now, in 2014 - at the altitudes and aircraft speeds referenced (for contiguous coverage from tower to tower) - then the calls can only have been made, from the ground.


In Operation Northwoods the passengers disembarked from the swapped plane at an army base i believe.

QUESTION #1)

Would there have been adequate time, giving the timing of those calls, which must have been made from the ground at a stationary location - for the original flights to have radar swapped with modified drone aircraft, and then landed, in order for those calls to have been made from passengers aboard the originating flights - or -

QUESTION #2)

must those passengers have remained grounded the whole time, where the swap took place at the level of the airport tarmac... and could THAT be done and if so, how?


You'll note in those calls, that the recipient indicated very clear and crisp reception with no background noise - and the "narrative" offered in the calls themselves seemed contrived and almost acted out.

This raises a very horrible image of innocent people reading scripts under duress, or a false pretense -but the last lady at the very end of the video, I tell you when you listen to it, it will give you chills...

The way she delivered it... and then at the end when she fumbles with the phone before saying goodbye, her voice cracking in emotion only at the end of her "delivery" - the whisper... oh God.

Please help me to understand this element, if the people were "handled" before they even took off, or only after they landed - because those calls could not have been made from altitude at 500mph. That's a fact.

Thank you.


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EagleEye
post Jan 19 2014, 01:07 AM
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Update/Summary


additional reference point.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html


After watching the video documentary linked in the OP - "September 11- The New Pearl Harbor", and looking into this a little further, a number of things become clear.

The official story narrative, as it arose out of the events themselves includes a voluminous account of cell phone calls, like a LOT of them, somewhere in the order of 10-15 minimum.

This is established in mainstream media outlet interviews with victim's loved ones, as well as the FBI documentation of their interviews, where the recipients, presumably the vast majority of them, because the distinction of CELL PHONE CALL is clear and distinct, and there would have been confirmation questions posed in that record..

Flight 11 however differs in the sense that the principal call is that of flight attendant Betty Ong who remained on an alleged airphone for something like 23 minutes if memory serves, a call worth listening to in and of itself in terms of what we've touched on here, more than once as the "bad acting" and canned nature of the reporting of status. In this way the cell phone calls are are very similar, and do not wander much in the vast expanse of possibility in terms of the real world reaction/responses one might expect from such people, instead of always reporting the status of the aircraft, like well it could be anything... anything at all, but they're all consistent in the way and manner of the delivery of the descriptive narrative.

The early story, in regards to the use of cell phones by the passengers as repeated through the MSM and recorded and reported by the FBI - is absolutely filled with the understanding and knowledge of the use of cell phones allegedly made from three of the four flights on September 11th, 2001.

The Moussoui trial, omitted ALL but TWO OF THEM, while the 9/11 Commission Report simply added a mix of cell phone calls and air phone calls without specifying which were which - although one ought to comb the report to see how it's been rendered and if there is any verification, on a particular individual basis, of the use of cell phone calls allegedly made from the aircraft.

The OMISSION of the cell phone record by the Moussaoui trial, with the exception of two - is telling, indicating a conscious omission by awareness of the fundamental problem, as well as an attempt to cover almost the whole of the cell phone record up - which is entirely incongruent with the investigation and reporting of the 9/11 Commission, including the FBI interview oral history, which is much more likely to be reliable as a source of what took place when it happened.

That's a problem, right there in and of itself.


I've come to realize that an entire book could be written by some historian about these cell phone calls, looking at the miriad of data points and questions that arise. It could include:

- Total number of alleged cell phone calls

- Listing of all alleged passengers involve.

- Time of calls

- Aircraft for each, including a corresponding synchronized timeline for each call.

- Duration of each call.

- Status of aircraft for each call made in terms of altitude and speed, where possible (when the transponder of the aircraft was not turned off, although estimates can be made based on last known, and the cockpit narratives.

- Cockpit narratives as per the alleged black boxes - timestamps, synchronization with timelines.

- Content of the calls, which could be catagorized in terms of nature of calls and subject matter..

- Quality of calls.

- Number of dropped calls, if any..


Finally - an effort should be made to try to DISCOUNT some of the reported cell phone calls as alleged air phone calls, say where there was no follow up verification by the FBI to clarify and distinguish if it was a cell phone or not - and knock out the unproven, leaving only the remaining to run through the data point grid.

Everyone has presumed that this issue went away a longgg time ago, but that's not true at all, when it was just a matter of Popular Mechanics and James Meigs saying that they can be made flying at 31,000 feet, and above, on the one hand, and various 9/11 sceptics suggesting otoh that there was some sort of fakery or ruse involving caller ID spoofing and voice simulation technology

and so it was forgotten...

Historians when they get their hands on this kind of data, are going to be asking some serious questions about the validity of the OS as anything more than a public myth..

Regards,

EE


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post Jan 19 2014, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 19 2014, 12:07 AM) *
Update/Summary


additional reference point.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html


After watching the video documentary linked in the OP - "September 11- The New Pearl Harbor", and looking into this a little further, a number of things become clear.

The official story narrative, as it arose out of the events themselves includes a voluminous account of cell phone calls, like a LOT of them, somewhere in the order of 10-15 minimum.


.... Historians when they get their hands on this kind of data, are going to be asking some serious questions about the validity of the OS as anything more than a public myth..

Regards,

EE



Naw....

You're onto something very important.
Why wait for historians?

You are obviously extremely curious and troubled by these revelations.

You've outlined all the key aspects that you feel need studying re; the cell phone calls.

Why don't you be the historian?

I for one would appreciate the time and effort you would put into researching this.

I'd be very curious about the results.


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post Jan 19 2014, 02:48 AM
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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Jan 18 2014, 10:24 PM) *


In the interim Mike, check out this thread which contains my research and presentation in regards to the work and research of P4T as it relates primarily to the south tower plane.

http:// www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread990280/pg1#pid17369451 (remove space after // and enter into url)

I did get KCAS confused with EAS in the beginning, but relative to the data, that's fine, because at 700 feet altitude they are the same, and above that 420 KCAS cannot be exceeded at any other altitude to remain within the outer limit of the flight envelope.

Pay no heed to the location of the thread or the opening ADMIN NOTICE: which actually ends up adding more credibility in the final analysis.

It's tangentially relevant to this thread and something that i thought you might enjoy reading..

Best Regards,

EE

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- EagleEye   Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
- - EagleEye   I described the last call referenced in the docume...   Jan 15 2014, 12:18 AM
- - MikeR   QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 15 2014, 03:20 PM) ...   Jan 15 2014, 12:27 AM
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