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Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.

EagleEye
post Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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Hi all,

I've recently come across what i think is the best researched and the hardest hitting of the 9/11 documentaries, which includes a number of clips from P4T's vids and which references the material here.

Here it is

"September 11 - The New Pearl Harbor" - Full version (1/3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1GCeuSr3Mk

In it, towards the end of that segment they discuss the numerous cell phone calls that the public record tried to cover up, unsuccessfully, as you'll see in the video - where they tried to alter the narrative, to say that they were all via air phones, when that was clearly not the case.

Since there can be no cell phone coverage, in 2001 and not even now, in 2014 - at the altitudes and aircraft speeds referenced (for contiguous coverage from tower to tower) - then the calls can only have been made, from the ground.


In Operation Northwoods the passengers disembarked from the swapped plane at an army base i believe.

QUESTION #1)

Would there have been adequate time, giving the timing of those calls, which must have been made from the ground at a stationary location - for the original flights to have radar swapped with modified drone aircraft, and then landed, in order for those calls to have been made from passengers aboard the originating flights - or -

QUESTION #2)

must those passengers have remained grounded the whole time, where the swap took place at the level of the airport tarmac... and could THAT be done and if so, how?


You'll note in those calls, that the recipient indicated very clear and crisp reception with no background noise - and the "narrative" offered in the calls themselves seemed contrived and almost acted out.

This raises a very horrible image of innocent people reading scripts under duress, or a false pretense -but the last lady at the very end of the video, I tell you when you listen to it, it will give you chills...

The way she delivered it... and then at the end when she fumbles with the phone before saying goodbye, her voice cracking in emotion only at the end of her "delivery" - the whisper... oh God.

Please help me to understand this element, if the people were "handled" before they even took off, or only after they landed - because those calls could not have been made from altitude at 500mph. That's a fact.

Thank you.


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EagleEye
post Jan 21 2014, 01:05 AM
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No planers are victims of the honey pot, either unwittingly, in the case of "killtown" or knowingly, in the case of John Lear and Morgan Reynolds.

A modified military drone with a hardened structure surely has enough inertia and kinetic energy to break 1/2 inch thick steel, or whatever it's thickness was, even from wing tip to wing tip, as seen in the penetration and holes.

The Pentagon is a type of honey pot by design embedded right into the operation, to minimize damage and loss of life on the one hand and to mess with the "conspiracy theorists" on the other, because a large Boeing was at the scene, according to the eye witness account, but did not impact the wall, and neither was it seen by the cars on the free way surrounding the Pentagon flying over the other side, as those witness would surely have surfaced. And early on - where was the focus of the 9/11 truth movement? In an irreconcilable honey pot of impossibility. Thank God we've moved on from there to the WTC attacks and CD.

Did a plane bury itself in Shanksville in a small crater with wing shapes? It's possible since it was a mine area - but that's just another honey pot to make "conspiracy theorists" appear insane.

We are therefore better off to leave the Pentagon and Shanksville well enough alone - but note how attractive that seems to be for many, as is the no-planer hypothesis in regards to the WTC, which was recorded from every imaginable angle and camera for miles around.

That the research of P4T has attracted the no-planers I think is both disgrace and to be expected.

It requires a strong mind and will to avoid the honey pots of 9/11, but it's a discipline that we would be well served to acquire.

Heck to try to defeat the no-planers, an otherwise decent guy named John Bursill climed into a flight simulator in the middle of the night, flipped the breaker on the overspeed warning and crash logic of the simulator, to basically try to prove that a Boeing 767 can fly at .86 Mach near sea level, never realizing that the Vmo of the Mmo of .86 Mach is 360 knots, where .86 Mach is the max operating limit at 23,000 feet and the max cruising speed at 35,000 feet - so he wasn't even addressing the issue of the Vd/Md in his attempted demonstration!

That's just the kind of thing you get with these apparent impossibilities contained in the 9/11 honey pots, which on the face of them represent another kind of trap for the knee-jerk OS believer, which we almost all of us were at one time, to a person, because after all - who woulda thunk it that the whole thing was an elaborate, murderous HOAX, not because it wasn't real, but in terms of the way it was rendered regarding how it was to be accepted and believed - planes hit, the buildings collapsed, we were attacked!


"A honey pot, in intelligence jargon, is a tempting source of information or 'dangle' that is set out to lure intended victims into a trap. Ultimately the honey pot is violently and maliciously discredited so as to destroy the credibility of anything stuck to it by association” – Michael Ruppert, "Crossing the Rubicon," p. 184

Jim Hoffman of 9/11 Research:
“The idea that no 757 crashed at the Pentagon is easily the most controversial and divisive issue among researchers of the 9/11/01 attacks. Effectively promoted since early 2002, this idea has enjoyed an increasing acceptance in the 9/11 Truth Movement, despite its blatant incompatibility with the extensive body of eyewitness evidence that a 757-like twin-engine jetliner flew into the Pentagon and exploded.”

I say forget the Pentagon, because what probably happened there, was that either an A3 Sky Skywarrior with a projected hologram envelope of some kind swooped in to hit the building, or, in simultaneity with that strike, a large Boeing overflew the wall and then vanished using adaptive camouflage technology, or some weird combination thereof, which might be why the people at the Marriot hotel were absolutely AGOG when watching the video of the strike before the FBI came and took it away, and the same reason that the strike footage has never been released in spite of a multitude of cameras - leaving only a honey pot for "conspiracy theorists".

Screw the Pentagon and Shanksville - and let's look with great discipline at things that can be proven, which brings us to the south tower plane, the impacts with the north and south tower, and then the destruction of the twin towers and building 7, and, as it turns out, this cell phone call issue - which as a type of honey pot when handled incorrectly breads all kind of nonsense, again to feed it with incredulous nonsense or "outrageous conspiracy theories".

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post Feb 11 2014, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Jan 21 2014, 12:05 AM) *
A modified military drone with a hardened structure surely has enough inertia and kinetic energy to break 1/2 inch thick steel, or whatever it's thickness was, even from wing tip to wing tip, as seen in the penetration and holes.


This was something that I and probably most truthers have struggled with for a long time.
How could planes cut through the buildings so easily.
Even if the steel was 'only' 1/2 inch thick, that would still be a tall order.

Logic would dictate that the planes had to have been modified (something that most truthers and the public in general don't ever consider).

But the buildings would have had to have been modified as well (again, something that most truthers and the public in general don't ever consider).

Only recently did I come to the conclusion that the steel wasn't cut through at all by the planes.
Even a modified plane wouldn't have been able to do that.

BUT... with the bolts removed that were holding the columns together (or even removing some steel beams completely) a modified plane could very easily 'cut through' the steel and slide into the building.
All the plane would be doing was pushing the steel beams away (if they were there), NOT slicing through them!

The visual evidence supports this. You will see steel columns keeping the same pattern that existed at installation time. You won't see steel columns sliced up in the middle etc.

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... which might be why the people at the Marriot hotel were absolutely AGOG when watching the video of the strike before the FBI came and took it away,


Can you please provide links to testimony of these Marriot witnesses?
I hadn't heard of this before.
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 11 2014, 05:58 PM) *
This was something that I and probably most truthers have struggled with for a long time.
How could planes cut through the buildings so easily.
Even if the steel was 'only' 1/2 inch thick, that would still be a tall order.

Well, I didn't want to bring it up, but...

It was not believed that a piece of foam could penetrate the wing of the space shuttle, but experiments with foam being shot at high speed into the wing's material showed that it was, indeed, possible.

A report to this effect can be found at Wikipedia article, "Space Shuttle Columbia disaster."

It's still hard for me to digest an aluminum plane's ability to penetrate steel to it wing tips especially since I have viewed a video of a test crash of a plane having its wings sheared off by wooden telephone poles.

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post Feb 17 2014, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (paulmichael @ Feb 11 2014, 05:16 PM) *
It's still hard for me to digest an aluminum plane's ability to penetrate steel to it wing tips especially since I have viewed a video of a test crash of a plane having its wings sheared off by wooden telephone poles.

P.M.


Check out this thread for a possible solution to that issue, which involves a combination of speed and modifications.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22605

There's no need to enter into the domain of no-planer nonsense which is very unhelpful and discrediting to our movement.

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post Feb 17 2014, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (EagleEye @ Feb 18 2014, 09:21 AM) *
Check out this thread for a possible solution to that issue, which involves a combination of speed and modifications.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=22605

There's no need to enter into the domain of no-planer nonsense which is very unhelpful and discrediting to our movement.


What is more unhelpful and movement discrediting than anything I've read in this forum is the fatuous assumption that even a mere-beginner airplane designer/constructor is going to swap 3mm leading edge airfoil aluminum for hardened steel from a WW1 tank shell ... just so that forum surfers can argue idiotic technicalities here online.

If you ever came back down to earth and eliminated all 4 Boeings from your mental equation, you would also eliminate all the evidence that doesn't fit the 9/11 puzzle.

Including cell-phone calls... but I guess admitting that does run the risk of getting back on topic again...

As a matter of curiosity: what was the impact on other evidence of the last time you tried removing the airplanes to see what happens? You have at least attempted the exercise I trust?

I personally have found no evidence that needs an airplane in the picture for an explanation
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post Feb 17 2014, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 17 2014, 05:06 PM) *
If you ever came back down to earth and eliminated all 4 Boeings from your mental equation, you would also eliminate all the evidence that doesn't fit the 9/11 puzzle.

... I personally have found no evidence that needs an airplane in the picture for an explanation


It sure as heck sounds like you are a no-planer.
Are you?
If so, how do you differentiate yourself from Reynolds, Lear et al?

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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 18 2014, 11:01 AM) *
It sure as heck sounds like you are a no-planer.
Are you?
If so, how do you differentiate yourself from Reynolds, Lear et al?



I asked "have you ever gone to the trouble of personally testing the no-planes-position?

Until you progress past any possibility that you refuse to check the NPP,
we cannot usefully progress this conversation.

I lived months after 9/11/01 thinking how ridiculous was this no=planes nonsense....
till I realized I hadn't even begun to check, so I may well have some idea of
what causes blockages in peoples perceptions on the topic.

Fortunately, I soon discovered that the Pentagon facade was totally intact for an hour after
the Hollywood fireball... and when I realized that meant absolutely no plane ever hit the building,
I carefully checked the other 3 planes... and found out how they had all been faked.

You CAN do it too.

It ain't rocket science, believe me...and I'm just an architect... laughing1.gif

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QUOTE (MikeR @ Feb 18 2014, 03:15 AM) *
"have you ever gone to the trouble of personally testing the no-planes-position?


Yes I have.


MikeR, the sound that this magical hologram produced; can you enlighten us as to how was it accomplished?
Please be as specific as possible.
Thanks!
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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 18 2014, 03:06 PM) *
MikeR, the sound that this magical hologram produced; can you enlighten us as to how was it accomplished?
Please be as specific as possible.
Thanks!


I'd like to chime in here.

Please see my prior post at Vroooommm… Was This Played From Ghetto Blaster Speakers 2-1/2 Seconds…, … just before KABOOM some 90 stories up?

with emphasis on Obwon's reply #4 which I quote right here:
QUOTE (Obwon @ Aug 24 2012, 12:11 PM) *
Remember the President's jet (Obama) flying low over Staten Island? That prompted many dozens of 911 calls from all around the area.

Now think about a heavy jet, racing at full throttle down the Hudson river. Yet, not a single 911 call from anyone on Riverside Drive. According to the data presented here by P4T, that plane was moving at supersonic speed for over a minute. Back track up the Hudson for 700 feet times 60 seconds. Shouldn't someone have heard a sonic boom at the least? They did hear Captain Scully's jet, land on the Hudson with engines off. That landing generated many dozens of 911 calls.

Like I said, a the recorded speeds the planes were supposed to have hit at, no one on the ground near the towers, would have heard anything until at least a second or two after they hit.


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- EagleEye   Questions: The Passengers, Cell Phone Calls, And Plane Swapping.   Jan 14 2014, 11:20 PM
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