Deliberate Misrepresentation of Evidence, Videos carefully crafted to be easily debunked Options

[Natasha]

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU READ THIS THREAD FIRST.



Hi painter, and everybody,


I am a new member. I am not a pilot, and I am no scientist by a long shot either. I promise to do my very best, to be both respectful and patient though, and I think I have something to offer.

A lot of people have been extremely turned off, to the ideas Fred and Killtown have been misrepresenting and purposely presenting very poorly, and I hope it is not too late to help undo the damage they have done.

I sure wish I had read, the thread this split off from, quite a bit sooner!

I was still very new to the ideas Fred and company were presenting, and I had just finished watching his 911 Octopus movie, for like the 10th time, when I finally joined their forum just a couple of months ago.

Back when I was a member of Killtown's forum, before they banned me for political reasons, I remember that Fred started a thread about what happened here.

As usual when one of them gets banned, they go to their forum and begin bragging about being banned, by the "nasty fascists" at LC and Pilots etc, and they then rave on and on about how 'they' don't ban people for political reasons.

The hell they don't though. They banned me, because I noticed this pattern, and I began asking them about the other HUGE PR blunders they ALL make on a regular basis also.

I also believe that the videos Fred has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later, when whoever oversees their modified limited hangout operation [cough Rick Siegel] gives them the word.

Please go here, and read my Rick Siegel's Lunatic Fringe: Todays NAZIS smear you as antisemtic thread on the Loose Change Forum about this.

Odd indeed, how the "nasty fascists" at LC, have left it up for a few days now. But if it's gone, then please go to my Youtube channel, linked to in my signature, and then read my comments section etc.


Thank you for letting me have my say. I hope I can be of service here.

Best to all of you,

Natasha

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 18 2007, 01:34 AM

Hi painter, and everybody

Hi Natasha. Welcome to Pilots. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[painter]

Welcome, Natasha! Glad to see you here (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/welcome.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

[rob balsamo]

Welcome Natasha...

Excellent Avatar...


Dodge This.....!

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FYI... we dont take this NPT at WTC very seriously. .at least i dont. But in the spirit of the First Amendment... as long as it is a respectable approach... they can post as much as they like. We only ban trolls (as much as disinfo types on LCF and other govt loyalists sites would have you believe otherwise)

However, im still waiting for one of these NPT types to put their name on their work.

[Natasha]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

painter I want to respond to what you wrote below.

That may be but good disinformation will be mostly valid information. It is the fraction of bad information you have to weed out. Good disinformation will be generated by those who completely believe the disinformation they are promoting. IOW, it doesn't have to come from someone who knows it is invalid and, in fact, is often more persuasive if it comes from someone who "believes" what they are saying is true, whether it is or not.

While I basically agree with your above statement, I am yet convinced that many of the videos Fred, aka BSreg, has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later.

Now of course, if he is an actual COINTEL op, operating with a limited hangout team, as I believe is the case, he surely does believe in NPT because he knows for a fact exactly how 911 was done.

He very well may even have been involved in carrying out 911.

My guess is that he was part of the WESCAM Media Interface Operations Team, which I will now call WMIOT (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , and he has been ordered to clean this up OR ELSE, because he did such a shitty job that sad morning. Maybe. Hell. I don't know. My intuition is spot on more often than not though.

I mean look at those poorly faked videos. My lord they stink, and Fred has so many times, I believe, even beat himself over it in his videos.

Please do read my Rick Siegel's Lunatic Fringe thread on Loose Change folks. I have presented evidence there, which when taken all together, I believe discloses a real pattern of intent.

Ask yourselves this.

Why has the government gone to so much trouble, just to discredit something, that is not even credible in the first place?

I mean think about it.

Somebody even dosed David Shayler, the ex MI5 OP who was such an incredibly effective speaker for 911 truth, with some sort of powerful drug to drive him over the edge. Is it just a coincidence, that they did this to him, soon after he began speaking about NPT and media complicity? I doubt it very much. They only seek to destroy, whoever and whatever, is a real threat to them.

Hey 911moventdotorg boys. Dodge this.

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 17 2007, 09:00 PM

[Natasha]

FYI... we dont take this NPT at WTC very seriously. .at least i dont. But in the spirit of the First Amendment... as long as it is a respectable approach... they can post as much as they like. We only ban trolls (as much as disinfo types on LCF and other govt loyalists sites would have you believe otherwise)

However, im still waiting for one of these NPT types to put their name on their work.

Hi johndoeX,

Excelent web handle. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thanks for the warm greeting too. I just cut it to save space.

I deeply apreciate, and respect, your comitment to free speech and open discourse, and as well I fully agree that I am respoinsible to show respect and mind my manners. This is your turf after all. Though we disagree on some things, right now, I am sure we are in complete agreement on much much more.

This does indeed seem to be a fine forum, and after reading the thread this was split off from, I am indeed impressed.

By the way. Though I don't know how to make videos. I do use my real name. None of our identities are hidden from the NWO. We can only hide from each other .... johndoeX. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Thanks again for the welcome.

[rob balsamo]

None of our identities are hidden from the NWO. We can only hide from each other .... johndoeX. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Thanks again for the welcome.

Pleasure... and please call me Rob...

Rob Balsamo
Co-founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

[painter]

Thanks for the warm welcome guys. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

painter I want to respond to what you wrote below.

That may be but good disinformation will be mostly valid information. It is the fraction of bad information you have to weed out. Good disinformation will be generated by those who completely believe the disinformation they are promoting. IOW, it doesn't have to come from someone who knows it is invalid and, in fact, is often more persuasive if it comes from someone who "believes" what they are saying is true, whether it is or not.

While I basically agree with your above statement, I am yet convinced that many of the videos Fred, aka BSreg, has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later.

That was my first impression. But it is hard to tell. These characters do seem genuinely 'adolescent' to me. Remember, Dylan Avery was 19 when he began making Loose Change. So it is also conceivable in my mind that they just don't 'get it'. However, the fact that this is being shepherded by Siegal -- who I once trusted but have come to distrust enormously -- puts it into a class of uncertainty. I'll just say I think your suspicions are well founded.

Now of course, if he is an actual COINTEL op, operating with a limited hangout team, as I believe is the case, he surely does believe in NPT because he knows for a fact exactly how 911 was done.

He very well may even have been involved in carrying out 911.

My guess is that he was part of the WESCAM Media Interface Operations Team, which I will now call WMIOT (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) , and he has been ordered to clean this up OR ELSE, because he did such a shitty job that sad morning. Maybe. Hell. I don't know. My intuition is spot on more often than not though.

I say that about myself as well. However, I have to acknowledge that my intuition is also sometimes very wrong. I'm learning to not jump to conclusions.

I mean look at those poorly faked videos. My lord they stink, and Fred has so many times, I believe, even beat himself over it in his videos.

Please do read my Rick Siegel's Lunatic Fringe thread on Loose Change folks. I have presented evidence there, which when taken all together, I believe discloses a real pattern of intent.

Ask yourselves this.

Why has the government gone to so much trouble, just to discredit something, that is not even credible in the first place?

I mean think about it.

Believe me, I have. I believe there is something very real here -- something worthy of our time and discussion. You might want to take a look at this thread started months ago: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=2504 The document it is quoting was published decades before 9/11 -- and so we can be certain that the amount of interfacing they can do now is far superior to anything being discussed openly then. This came up briefly in another thread that I've now lost track of and don't know where to find. (One thing I don't like about this invisionfree forum software is it doesn't allow you to keep track of your posts unless you started the topic thread.)

Somebody even dosed David Shayler, the ex MI5 OP who was such an incredibly effective speaker for 911 truth, with some sort of powerful drug to drive him over the edge. Is it just a coincidence, that they did this to him, soon after he began speaking about NPT and media complicity? I doubt it very much. They only seek to destroy, whoever and whatever, is a real threat to them.

Hey 911moventdotorg boys. Dodge this.

You seem very sure of this -- what is your source?

If I may, I'd like to make a suggestion. The OP and thread title has to do with commentary about how this forum is moderated. That is actually its topic. I understand the cross-over but rather than taking this way off topic with another topic, I'd appreciate it if you'd start a new threat about these subjects that we can reply in. It just saves us a lot of confusion in tracking discussion -- and would be better with a more appropriate thread subject title.

Will you consider that?

Thanks

[Natasha]

None of our identities are hidden from the NWO. We can only hide from each other .... johndoeX. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Thanks again for the welcome.

Pleasure... and please call me Rob...

Rob Balsamo
Co-founder
pilotsfor911truth.org

Good man Rob. B)

Ms. Natasha Thompson
Fort Wayne, Indiana
nobody special

You are doing a good thing here.

At your service sir. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

Ms. Natasha Thompson
Fort Wayne, Indiana
nobody special

Matt
South Bend, IN (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Natasha]

While I basically agree with your above statement, I am yet convinced that many of the videos Fred, aka BSreg, has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later.

That was my first impression. But it is hard to tell. These characters do seem genuinely 'adolescent' to me. Remember, Dylan Avery was 19 when he began making Loose Change. So it is also conceivable in my mind that they just don't 'get it'. However, the fact that this is being shepherded by Siegal -- who I once trusted but have come to distrust enormously -- puts it into a class of uncertainty. I'll just say I think your suspicions are well founded.

I don't think Loose Change has a direct link to Fred's pals over at 911movementdotorg. If there is one I am unaware of it.

Fred's pals are the ones shepherded by Siegel, and I believe theirs is a CIA operation.

The Loose Change boys are shepherded by Alex Jones. I suspect that Jones is Army Intelligence or DIA, working with MI6, but I have only a feeling about that and no real evidence. He sure is into FUD though. What agenda does that serve?

I mean it is one thing to inform people, and it is quite another to bark relentlessly, be afraid be very afraid! As a Christian, he should also know that the people need to be warned to HIDE in the millions of acres of American wilderness, rather than hint that they should resist with arms as he does. Resistance will meet with death and imprisonment in the camps. They have said that they want to reduce the population. They clearly also want more police state powers, and an armed insurrection will swiftly accomplish both for the NWO.

Ask yourselves this.

Why has the government gone to so much trouble, just to discredit something, that is not even credible in the first place?

I mean think about it.

Believe me, I have. I believe there is something very real here -- something worthy of our time and discussion.

The most fundamental, glaring evidence, is this.

If videos depict planes, doing something impossible, then surely the videos must be fake.

Proof exists that flimsy aluminum aircraft, with such low sectional density made also of brittle low density materials, could not, as the vidoes depict, smoothly penetrate steel walls and several steel reinforced concrete floors, edge on at that, without so much as breaking the wing tanks or shearing the wings off. So then the videos must be fake.

Here is proof, from a very knowledgable person, that the planes could not have smoothly flown right in, only to explod after they entered the building. That is just not possible. You know better than that. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Have you seen that Haiti UFO video everyone is talking about. Now see how easy it was to fake. I am sure, that what the military had in 2001, was far superior to what is available to us even now.

Somebody even dosed David Shayler, the ex MI5 OP who was such an incredibly effective speaker for 911 truth, with some sort of powerful drug to drive him over the edge. Is it just a coincidence, that they did this to him, soon after he began speaking about NPT and media complicity? I doubt it very much. They only seek to destroy, whoever and whatever, is a real threat to them.

You seem very sure of this -- what is your source?

Common sense and intuition applied to the available evidence.

David Shayler, as an ex MI5 OP was very credible, and more and more people began listening to him. The many videos of his powerful testimony, coupled with his calm manner and his command of the facts, even while under pressure during live TV interviews side by side with those very skeptical, certainly seems to confirm that he was psychologically sound.

Haven't you heard? Shortly after David Shayler begins to speak about NPT and people start listenming, he suddenly looses it, and then he literally declares himself the Messiah.

The video below does not make him appear to be psychotic. Rather it suggests that drugs and hypnosis, over some period of time, were used.

See this brief video interview of David Shayler under mind control.

He is clearly under mind control in that video. He himself said, that he was led, to his new awareness, by a "psychic". I think this psychic is really an MI6 psychologist and hypnotist. If they disappeared, or killed him, that would only deepen his credibility wouldn't it?

People would say. Holy CRAP, David Shayler disappeared, was murdered, died under suspicious circumstances! It must be true! The best shot MI6 had, was to contain Shayler by destroying his credibility, and what better way than to make him an obvious loopy old crank.

By the way. The Siegel mission, Fred and the boys, just dismisses him now as a tragic figure. None of this has occurred to them. What a coincidence.


They didn't take him out because he is a threat to 911 Truth. They took him out because he is a threat to the real 911 perps.

If I may, I'd like to make a suggestion. The OP and thread title has to do with commentary about how this forum is moderated. That is actually its topic.

Oh no! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) I really goofed up. I am so sorry. OK. I don't feel comfy starting a thread here. I am not a pilot or anything like that.

It has been a pleasure gentlemen. Thank you for your extreme patience with me.

Fred and the guys sure lied about you folks! Then again, it was obvious, that Fred wanted to be banned. That way he did not have to withstand your enquiry about his FAKED video. That is obviously what that was about, and the propaganda value back at their "forum" is priceless. Next time don't let him pull that ruse on you. OK?

Banning them only serves their agenda. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

See you around town. B)

Natasha

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 18 2007, 12:20 AM

[Natasha]

Ms. Natasha Thompson
Fort Wayne, Indiana
nobody special

Matt
South Bend, IN (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

A HOOSIER! South Bend at that. Greetings Matt. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[painter]

<s>
Oh no! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) I really goofed up. I am so sorry. OK. I don't feel comfy starting a thread here. I am not a pilot or anything like that.
<s>

LoL. Well, as you see, I've split your contribution out into its own thread.

Most of the forum members are not pilots or aviation professionals, so no need to be concerned about that. The Pilots for 9/11 Truth organization is comprised of pilots and aviation professionals. I may yet split out the greets and welcomes and put that in the Welcome forum. It is better to do this cleaning up now before the thread gets too long.

Best (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

[painter]

While I basically agree with your above statement, I am yet convinced that many of the videos Fred, aka BSreg, has been making, are carefully crafted to be easily debunked later.

That was my first impression. But it is hard to tell. These characters do seem genuinely 'adolescent' to me. Remember, Dylan Avery was 19 when he began making Loose Change. So it is also conceivable in my mind that they just don't 'get it'. However, the fact that this is being shepherded by Siegal -- who I once trusted but have come to distrust enormously -- puts it into a class of uncertainty. I'll just say I think your suspicions are well founded.

I don't think Loose Change has a direct link to Fred's pals over at 911movementdotorg. If there is one I am unaware of it.

Fred's pals are the ones shepherded by Siegel, and I believe theirs is a CIA operation.

The Loose Change boys are shepherded by Alex Jones. I suspect that Jones is Army Intelligence or DIA, working with MI6, but I have only a feeling about that and no real evidence. He sure is into FUD though. What agenda does that serve?

I wasn't suggesting there was a direct connection between LC and "movement" or "researchers." My point was that these videos are often put together by enthusiastic but not very sophisticated young men. Sorry, I don't know what "FUD" is. My intuition tells me you may be right about the AI/DIA connection, but why MI6?

I mean it is one thing to inform people, and it is quite another to bark relentlessly, be afraid be very afraid!

This is one of the things that I don't like about the so called "patriots movement" in general. AJ is the prime example but we could put quite a few others in this category. We need to be empowered not just driven nuts by the looming catastrophe.

As a Christian, he should also know that the people need to be warned to HIDE in the millions of acres of American wilderness, rather than hint that they should resist with arms as he does. Resistance will meet with death and imprisonment in the camps. They have said that they want to reduce the population. They clearly also want more police state powers, and an armed insurrection will swiftly accomplish both for the NWO.

Well, I don't know about hiding in the wilderness -- I guess if your highest priority is 'survival' that might make a little sense but not for most people who are used to microwaving their pre-packaged dinner. I'm not in this for survival. Whether I survive this or not is sort of irrelevant to me.

Ask yourselves this.

Why has the government gone to so much trouble, just to discredit something, that is not even credible in the first place?

I mean think about it.

Believe me, I have. I believe there is something very real here -- something worthy of our time and discussion.

The most fundamental, glaring evidence, is this.

If videos depict planes, doing something impossible, then surely the videos must be fake.

That is a reasonable statement. However, the question is did the planes do something impossible? and that is the thing to be proven, not assumed.

Proof exists that flimsy aluminum aircraft, with such low sectional density made also of brittle low density materials, could not, as the vidoes depict, smoothly penetrate steel walls and several steel reinforced concrete floors, edge on at that, without so much as breaking the wing tanks or shearing the wings off. So then the videos must be fake.

Here is proof, from a very knowledgable person, that the planes could not have smoothly flown right in, only to explod after they entered the building. That is just not possible. You know better than that. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well, I think that is correct but the simple fact of the matter is I'm not yet certain of it in the same way I'm certain of other things. Perhaps I need to be educated more. I also need an explanation to BoneZ's question regarding the steel bent inward indicating that something DID pass into the structure. Unless, of course, we're back, once again, in the realm of VTF -- which your PI link above has set out to disprove.

Have you seen that Haiti UFO video everyone is talking about. Now see how easy it was to fake. I am sure, that what the military had in 2001, was far superior to what is available to us even now.

Yes. This has been discussed in a thread in this forum:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8323

Somebody even dosed David Shayler, the ex MI5 OP who was such an incredibly effective speaker for 911 truth, with some sort of powerful drug to drive him over the edge. Is it just a coincidence, that they did this to him, soon after he began speaking about NPT and media complicity? I doubt it very much. They only seek to destroy, whoever and whatever, is a real threat to them.

You seem very sure of this -- what is your source?

Common sense and intuition applied to the available evidence.

David Shayler, as an ex MI5 OP was very credible, and more and more people began listening to him. The many videos of his powerful testimony, coupled with his calm manner and his command of the facts, even while under pressure during live TV interviews side by side with those very skeptical, certainly seems to confirm that he was psychologically sound.

Haven't you heard? Shortly after David Shayler begins to speak about NPT and people start listenming, he suddenly looses it, and then he literally declares himself the Messiah.

The video below does not make him appear to be psychotic. Rather it suggests that drugs and hypnosis, over some period of time, were used.

See this brief video interview of David Shayler under mind control.

He is clearly under mind control in that video. He himself said, that he was led, to his new awareness, by a "psychic". I think this psychic is really an MI6 psychologist and hypnotist. If they disappeared, or killed him, that would only deepen his credibility wouldn't it?

People would say. Holy CRAP, David Shayler disappeared, was murdered, died under suspicious circumstances! It must be true! The best shot MI6 had, was to contain Shayler by destroying his credibility, and what better way than to make him an obvious loopy old crank.

By the way. The Siegel mission, Fred and the boys, just dismisses him now as a tragic figure. None of this has occurred to them. What a coincidence.

They didn't take him out because he is a threat to 911 Truth. They took him out because he is a threat to the real 911 perps.

First of all, since you are new, you don't yet realize how much of this kind of thing gets discussed in this and other forums outside of this "alternative theories" sub forum. There is a thread on the Shaylelr incident somewhere. I'm too pooped to hunt for the link right now. [ EDIT: here is the link to that thread: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...showtopic=8267 ]

It isn't ignorance of the case that brought up the question. What I asked for was evidence of your contention, specifically, that he was drugged or manipulated. I understand you are intuitive and one smart cookie. So am I. So are others here. However, it doesn't serve us to go about saying that we know things that we merely suspect. I see this "overreaching" (drawing conclusions before hard evidence is available to confirm them) a lot here and I've seen it come back to bite us in the butt. You say such and so is "clearly" true -- as if no further evidence is needed. Well, not so fast. It is one thing to state a suspiscion that such-and-so may be true based on observation of numerous indicators; it is quite another to say that something is, unequivocally, fact based solely on what seems "reasonable" from those indicators. There not only "may be" but most certainly "are" many, many things that we do not know about Shayler and his motivations. And until we know more anyone can generate a hypothesis based on these indicators. The hypothesis is the thing to be proven.

All that said, I understand your point regarding Shayler and the seeming coincidence of this happening after he began to speak about the NPT. Yes, that is certainly suspicious. No argument there. As you get to know me better you'll learn that, like all good Capricorns (I'm actually a triple Capricorn), I move slowly but relentlessly most of the time. Now and then I'll take a big JUMP that leaves everyone else in the dust but usually that is after months of careful observation.

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Fred and the guys sure lied about you folks! Then again, it was obvious, that Fred wanted to be banned. That way he did not have to withstand your enquiry about his FAKED video. That is obviously what that was about, and the propaganda value back at their "forum" is priceless. Next time don't let him pull that ruse on you. OK?

Banning them only serves their agenda. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

See you around town.  B)

Natasha

Well, banning them may very well serve their agenda. It also serves mine -- which is to keep this forum as free from disrupters and trolls as possible.

Best (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)

[Natasha]

OK. Thanks painter.

Lets see if this thread dies a lonely death now. I think it may. What do I know though? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[painter]

OK. Thanks painter.

Lets see if this thread dies a lonely death now. I think it may. What do I know though? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

LoL. I don't think that is going to happen. :ph43r:

[Sanders]

OK. Thanks painter.

Lets see if this thread dies a lonely death now. I think it may. What do I know though? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

LoL. I don't think that is going to happen. :ph43r:

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Welcome, Natasha

I have to agree with painter that it's better not to jump to conclusions. Intent and motivation is very difficult to gauge, and there is usually at least one more likely scenario than one can imagine. Like trying to catch wild geese in a house of mirrors. Still, interesting thread.

[Natasha]

You probably wont like this at all. Yet from my experience with The Boys From NPT, it is not silly supposition, and I ask you to weigh it carefully.


The Carmen Taylor photos, and the Michael Hezarkhania ghost plane video, is THE hot topic all over the place right now. What has really got everybody buzzing though, is a video about it, made by BSregistration aka Fred.

Basically Fred, who threw a tanty fit purposely to get himself banned from here, to avoid some hard questions about his own video FAKERY, is saying in his video that the Michael Hezarkhania video, is totally fake, and not even the buildings are real. Fred says, in his video, that there is no way that it could have been shot from where it is claimed that they were, and this is now THE subject everyone is furiously discussing all over the place.

Over here on Killtowns NPT forum in the Calling Carmen Taylor, Calling Carmen Taylor thread.

A thread here on Pilots Cnn Fake Footage: More Proof For The Hard Headed.

And my personal favorite presided by Factfinder General, a "no planer" whom I consider to be brilliant, I think REALLY NAILS IT over on the progressive independent forum I am banned from. Damn it! I am sure there are other places it is being, debated, flamed over and discussed also.

As you know, I believe Fred and Killtown are up to no good, and they being absolute masters of controversy as a diversionary tactic and consummate disrupters; I suspect are not working either alone or without a net, on the web. Consequently the fact that Fred's video was being exposed RIGHT HERE ON PILOTS as a clever FAKE, in the thread I linked to above, is now no longer being discussed anywhere at all that I know of.

So now, I want to bring another aspect of this Taylor & Hezarkhania discussion to your attention. This is something all of you need to know. The voice of Fred, aka BSregistration of the 911 movement(.)org, can easily be recognized narrating this video which purports to link Michael Hezarkhania, who filmed the famous ghost plane video, to a terrorist organization in IRAN.

Now what "news source" does 'that' remind you of? Rather FOXY of Fred and Killtown I think. These Two Foxes are even now stirring up sh*t, in the Calling Carmen Taylor thread linked to above, of course 'all over' Carmen Taylor, who like Michael Hezarkhania, is apparently considered by the CIA to be an expendable asset who knows just a bit too much. I wonder. Will they also throw old Wolfywitz under the bus along with them somehow? Now there would be two birds with one stone, both the Jews and Muslims can be darted, and surely we Christians will soon follow after. In fact I know our sons and daughters soon will, because THE NAZIS plan to begin drafting them, to go kill and die in IRAN.

Well, at the very least, "the evidence" presented by Fred and KT may all prove to be fallacious, thus further tainting no plane and 911 media complicity evidence, ONCE AGAIN ACCIDENTALLY ON PURPOSE, but surely it already holds strong propaganda value helping the NAZIS make a case for war against Iran. These CIA guys are just so madly brilliant! They accomplish so much evil, with so little effort, and their plans are so designed to accomplish many different things at once. So what of the usual plausible deniability factor? Well "Fred" and "Killtown", can of course just disappear, because neither is using their real name.

I believe it is clearly another Rick Siegel CIA/DIA production. The fuses are lit. The timers are running, and the clock is running out. Whatever they are up to is being carefully ignored, because their associates are everywhere, distracting everybody as usual.

They are so good at what they do. Wish it were not so.

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 18 2007, 03:46 AM

[Natasha]

Who is this Ashley person, whom Rick Siegel claims to believe, that I really am? I honestly will have to Google that. Rick Rajter Always Helpful or Two-Faced MIT Mole? Oh my. Ricky Siegel says that Ashley, who is supposedly me, is antisemitic, as is this other Ricky he is smearing, and of course so are all of his "ex NPT friends", Siegel says.

The apparent rift, between Siegel and company, is as phony as their collective dedication to 911 truth. They cooked it up in response to my having pressured them, at the KT/Slick/Quest [Siegel's really] forum, to distance themselves, for NPT's sake from Siegel, because he absolutely must have purposely engineered the NPT PR BLUNDER of the year!

I refer to Siegel's public attack, using the alias "Amanda Reckonwith", upon John Albanese and a 911 Widow on their, i.e. KT, BSreg, Slick, Quest and Siegel et all's, 9/11 Researchers Blog.

I hounded them mercilessly, for days, to dump their long term patron Rick Siegel, because his public display of unjustified and heinous ad homonym fury, resulted in the now infamous '911 Lunatic Fringe' article in the NY POST. I began to get over it real fast though, as I learned that the author of the NY POST npt hit piece, was written by a personal friend of Siegel's, one Adrea Peyser, and so by the time their PHONY parting of the vays (sic) took place, I was already sadder yet wiser.

Now about my supposed antisemitism Mr. Siegel.

I am a Christian woman of Jewish heritage. Though I am not a big fan of Israel's racist State policy regarding the Muslim people, or it's GROSS mistreatment of the Palestinians, I unlike many in the "911 movement" most definitely do NOT lay the blame for 911 at Israel's door.

Neither do I, for one minute, believe that Jews are evil bad people. I take each individual 'as' an individual. I am also fully convinced, that there is no such thing as even a bad ethnic group, and there is but one race, human.

Isn't it ironic, how the WW2 Nazis would smear people as being "evil dirty jews", while todays Nazis, smear people as being "dirty evil antisemites"? One way or another it is Judea who suffers, for the first SHOAH [Holocaust], and now soon for the second SHOAH [Holocaust] being perpetrated, by the same evil spirit of the same evil intent, on a different day, in different bodies.

The more things change.

[Natasha]

OK. Thanks painter.

Lets see if this thread dies a lonely death now. I think it may. What do I know though? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

LoL. I don't think that is going to happen. :ph43r:

Hi Painter and Sanders. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Welcome to my world, casandra complex in full bloom, I trudge on through the fog.