Military To Detain Americans Without Charge Or Trial Options

[André]

Senate To Vote On Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain Americans Without Charge or Trial

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/

[GroundPounder]

but, but obamanation will veto it right...right? because he's a light worker....

so let's see..

us and russian warships off the coast of syria..check

50-50 chance of euro collapse by christmas..check( http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=30484)

fukushima - the gift that keeps on giving..check

oil still 'leaking' in gulf..check

spraying (chemtrails) still going on..check

9/11 perps still not brought to justice..check


ah, nothin' to see here folks..move along.


tell me again what armageddon is supposed to look like....

[André]

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash opposes defense authorization bill, calling it "anti-liberty"

U.S. Rep. Justin Amash, R-Cascade Township, is speaking out against a defense bill being debated in the U.S. Senate this week, calling it “one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime.”

According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the National Defense Authorization Act will allow the U.S. military to declare national territory part of the "battlefield" in the “War on Terror.”

Authored by U.S. Sen. Carl Levin, D-Michigan, and Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, the act would “permit the federal government to indefinitely detain American citizens on American soil, without charge or trial, at the discretion of the President,” Amash said in a Facebook posting.

“It is destructive of our Constitution,” said Amash, one of five House Republicans to vote against the measure when it passed in the House on a 322-96 vote in May. The Senate is scheduled to vote on the bill this week.

“The President should not have the authority to determine whether the Constitution applies to you, no matter what the allegations,” Amash said. “Please urge your Senators to oppose these outrageous provisions.”

Although the bill says “the requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States,” Amash said the language is “carefully crafted to mislead the public.

“Note that it does not preclude U.S. citizens from being detained indefinitely, without charge or trial, it simply makes such detention discretionary,” he wrote.

Although the White House has threatened to veto the bill, Levin and other backers of the provision believe the administration’s concerns are overblown, according to The National Journal.

Levin argued President Barack Obama would retain the ability to determine whether suspects remain in civilian custody or be transferred to the military, as well as whether they’d be charged in civilian courts or before a military commission,” the Journal said.

“The only covered persons left are those who are illegally in this country, or who arrive as tourists or on some other short-term basis,” The Journal quoted Levin as saying.

"That’s a small remaining category, but an important one, because it includes the terrorist who clandestinely arrives in the United States with the objective of attacking military or other targets here.”

http://www.mlive.com/

[GroundPounder]

“It is destructive of our Constitution,” said Amash, one of five House Republicans to vote against the measure when it passed in the House on a 322-96 vote in May. The Senate is scheduled to vote on the bill this week.

absolutely amazing. anybody not see where this is going is blind, mentally feeble or both. 322 traitors plain and simple. and yes, treason is a real crime (victim and intent). those 322 need to be arrested and questioned to find out who (think tanks, ngo's, etc.) told them to vote that way, as an enticement mind you, to avoid the noose. 2012 will be really interesting.

[rob balsamo]

absolutely amazing. anybody not see where this is going is blind, mentally feeble or both. 322 traitors plain and simple. and yes, treason is a real crime (victim and intent). those 322 need to be arrested and questioned to find out who (think tanks, ngo's, etc.) told them to vote that way, as an enticement mind you, to avoid the noose. 2012 will be really interesting.

Coincidence?

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[André]

Military to Gain Power of Indefinite Detention in Senate Bill

[GroundPounder]

this military facet of the blob (aka MIC) being legitimized to shred and rend the last vestiges of the bill of rights is the icing on the cake.

read carefully:

http://lewrockwell.com/berwick/berwick23.1.html

fema of course is another part of the borg or phalanx (pick your metaphor) and is now getting some alternative news play yet again for their begrudgingly acknowledged camps.

sure looks like tptb have 'plans' to deal with the mess they engineered.

edit: have we gotten to the deus ex machina moment?

[bill]

Andre

good post
Thank you

I didn't recognize Ray at all -- maybe that is on purpose ?

I think Ray nailed it 'purposely ambiguous' about whether it applies ti US citizens

GP

I read the Rockwell piece

I never thought I would say this but I am seriously considering 'relocation' -- not sure where

not sure if there is time -- the US has acccomplished all stages of Naomi Wolf's 10 stages to Fascism

more detail here -- note the date 23 April 2007

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/apr/24/usa.comment

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy

2. Create a gulag
they are even advertising now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnA0_C6jLPY

http://www.rense.com/general95/KBR%27s%20F...Army%20Corp.pdf

3. Develop a thug caste

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

5. Harass citizens' groups

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

7. Target key individuals

8. Control the press

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011...t-a-journalist/

9. Dissent equals treason

10. Suspend the rule of law

...and the Bill of rights

S-1867

[amazed!]

Fidelity to the US Constitution, and the rule of law in general, have been dead in this country for years. From major Supreme Court rulings to legislation, it is clear to the informed observer that the rule of law is dead in the water, and sinking.

[GroundPounder]

Fidelity to the US Constitution, and the rule of law in general, have been dead in this country for years. From major Supreme Court rulings to legislation, it is clear to the informed observer that the rule of law is dead in the water, and sinking.

so, since according to jefferson we should have a revolution every 20 years, and we haven't had one in a while...does that mean the one to come will make up for all the missing ones?

[amazed!]

No sir.

I hate to be the cynical one, but the way government has consolidated its power over the years, and the way the american populace has been so thoroughly brainwashed, there will be no revolution in this country.

[GroundPounder]

No sir.

I hate to be the cynical one, but the way government has consolidated its power over the years, and the way the american populace has been so thoroughly brainwashed, there will be no revolution in this country.

so, just maintain the status quo eh?

[André]

so, since according to jefferson we should have a revolution every 20 years, and we haven't had one in a while...does that mean the one to come will make up for all the missing ones?

The USA was never much of a republic, always in an expansion mode, the project for the creation of an empire was made official by the Monroe doctrine. “The United States appears destined by Providence to plague the American continent with miseries in the name of Freedom.” Simon Bolivar 1829.

I don't believe there will be any NWO or World government, the empire has reached its limit and the whole thing is unravelling, the cost of maintaining it for the benefit of the banks and corporations is not sustainable plus you add the financial crisis and the collapse of the middle class on top of that and you have the making of a perfect storm.

What will happen in the USA in the future is hard to say but I am convinced that we are headed towards a multipolar world where most nations will regain their sovereignty

This post has been edited by André: Dec 10 2011, 04:34 PM

[GroundPounder]

The USA was never much of a republic, always in an expansion mode, the project for the creation of an empire was made official by the Monroe doctrine. “The United States appears destined by Providence to plague the American continent with miseries in the name of Freedom.” Simon Bolivar 1829.

I don't believe there will be any NWO or World government, the empire has reached its limit and the whole thing is unravelling, the cost of maintaining it for the benefit of the banks and corporations is not sustainable plus you add the financial crisis and the collapse of the middle class on top of that and you have the making of a perfect storm.

What will happen in the USA in the future is hard to say but I am convinced that we are headed towards a multipolar world where most nations will regain their sovereignty

never was a fan of the monroe doctrine and bolivar had that part correct.

one could argue that we have a world government already. i don't believe most nations are sovereign at all. look at what just happened to greece and italy. their bosses are now ex-goldmans sack (i mean the spelling just that way) and cfr or tlc alumni. most of the european nations' top people attend bilderberg meetings and then go home and implement policy that further undermines their 'sovereignty'.

there may be a multipolar world but it looks like it will be of the 1984 type, "We've always been at war with Eastasia". the logical conclusion to a fatally flawed premise.

i mean, i hope you are right. i hate dystopian endings, but at the moment tyranny appears to have the upper hand. give the middle class their soma and they won't care about a storm. monitor all their interactions like they have been doing for a long time, crack some skulls to set an example for the hoi-polloi and presto..status quo maintained. most of the people i deal with are not indignant about how they are being treated by the gov't that has as its only purpose, the securing of our rights, not determining what they are.

if people around the world can get the parasite off their backs, there is hope. until that happens, look for more degradation, impoverishment and a host of other ills.

[amazed!]

GP

I must accept the status quo because there is nothing I can do about it except complain.

So, I do complain and criticize at every opportunity, both here in this cyber world and in the real world.

I completely support those who fight the status quo, including yourself. We both fight the status quo--you in your ways and I in my ways.

[André]

one could argue that we have a world government already. i don't believe most nations are sovereign at all. look at what just happened to greece and italy. their bosses are now ex-goldmans sack (i mean the spelling just that way) and cfr or tlc alumni. most of the european nations' top people attend bilderberg meetings and then go home and implement policy that further undermines their 'sovereignty'.

Yes, That is why I don't believe there will be a future one world government, they already have all the essential tools, they control the flow of capital through the financial institutions and the FED, they control the economies resources and labour through the corporations, they have the international and national security apparatus under their control, so why make it formal and official ? better to leave people with their illusions that western nations are democratic and sovereign.

On a more optimistic note, there are definite signs that this control has reached it's limits, I believe we are at a tipping point, hopefully it will be in the right direction.

[GroundPounder]

so, it's really nothing new, the precedent was set a long time ago, only this time, the enemy is anyone deemed to be one by.....

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[GroundPounder]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/congress-pas...e-bill-aka-ndaa

[André]

Marine generals demands that President Obama veto the National Defense Authorization


http://www.humanrightsfirst.org

[amazed!]

Good to see, but not once did they mention that the proposed legislation violates the letter and spirit of the US Constitution.