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Massive Terror Attacks In India 11/26, Merged with "Mumbai Attacks And The Implausible Al Qaeda Connecti

Carl Bank
post Nov 26 2008, 10:05 PM
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Bloomberg.com: Mumbai Terrorist Attacks Kill 80 People, Injure 240 (Update2)

ABC: At Least 78 Killed in Coordinated Terror Attack

The Herald Sun Australia: Australians tell of terror attacks in Mumbai, India - at least 80 dead


The latest Google News on that rampage


Here's a pic from Mumbai 11/26/08



and just to illustrate the pattern: here's one from Berlin, Reichstag 2/28/33



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post Nov 27 2008, 03:48 AM
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I have friends in Mumbai. No word from them yet but they're residents (not tourists) and probably ok.
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Does someone have a deeper insight who's agenda this fuels?

Just saw a new "expert on terrorism" presented in German's MSM,
who painted a picture of fear about international organized terror, even
naming terror-networks who already were proven to be false flag.
(ie. Jihad Union) whistle.gif

So is this just the keep the fire of fear burning or is there something
special about it?

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QUOTE (INP @ Nov 27 2008, 01:19 PM) *
Does someone have a deeper insight who's agenda this fuels?

Just saw a new "expert on terrorism" presented in German's MSM,
who painted a picture of fear about international organized terror, even
naming terror-networks who already were proven to be false flag.
(ie. Jihad Union) whistle.gif

So is this just the keep the fire of fear burning or is there something
special about it?

INP

This SPIEGEL article will give you a lot of hints:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...,593055,00.html

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TERROR IN INDIA
Obama's First Test

By Gregor Peter Schmitz in Washington

The series of terror attacks in Mumbai comes at a sensitive time for the US. President Bush is no longer in a position to lead, and President-elect Barack Obama has not yet been given the reins. Still, the attacks represent Obama's first foreign policy test.

The mood was a festive one on Wednesday in Washington D.C. Just like every year before Thanksgiving, US President George W. Bush "pardoned" a turkey -- this year's version was named Pumpkin. President-elect Barack Obama and his wife Michelle, for their part, joined TV legend Barbara Walters for a chat. The atmosphere was relaxed -- they talked, for example, about how the Obama daughters would be in charge of making their own beds when they moved into the White House in January.

But then the images from the terror attacks in Mumbai began flickering across the television screen. And suddenly, the pre-holiday calm in Washington and Chicago, where Obama's transition team is headquartered, came to an abrupt end.


Bush and Obama quickly issued statements. "President Bush offers his condolences to the Indian people and the families of the innocent civilians killed and injured in the attacks in Mumbai," the White House statement said. "The US government continues to monitor the situation…and stands by ready to assist and support the Indian government." Terror experts from the State Department and the Defense Department quickly began analyzing the situation.

The Obama statement was in a similar vein. "These coordinated attacks on innocent civilians demonstrate the grave and urgent threat of terrorism," Obama spokesman Brooke Anderson said. "The United States must continue to strengthen our partnerships with India and nations around the world to root out and destroy terrorist networks."

A Previously Unknown Terror Group

Obama also quickly got on the phone with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who briefed him on the situation. But the exact circumstances of the series of attacks, which killed over 100 people and injured some 250, were unclear on Wednesday evening in Washington. A previously unknown group calling itself Deccan Mujahideen sent out e-mails to media organizations claiming responsibility for the attack. But there are a number of groups in India that could be behind the Deccan Mujahideen, including groups from neighboring Pakistan.


This much is certain: If it is indeed confirmed that Americans and Britons were targeted and that the attacks were inspired by al-Qaida's radical ideology, then the difficult transition phase in Washington has become even more complicated. "If the terror threat spreads from Pakistan and Afghanistan to the important American ally India, that's an enormous problem for the United States," ex-presidential advisor David Gergan said on CNN Wednesday night.

The crisis could be Obama's first big foreign policy test. The world is going to dissect his response. The president-elect has already been in the spotlight for days because of the worsening financial crisis. Given the extent of the economic catastrophe, the January 20th inauguration date seems too far in the future for an ever-growing number of Americans. For three straight days, Obama has held press conferences in order to introduce economics experts who will advise him and stimulus programs that should help the country out of the crisis. His message was clear: "Help is on the way."

Now, Obama may also be forced into taking responsibility for foreign policy earlier than expected. Indeed, the attacks could be seen as a personal warning directed against him. During the campaign, his vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden attracted attention for announcing that, in the first six months of his presidency, Obama would be tested on the international stage.

Forcing Obama's Hand?

Al-Qaida may have a special interest in providing such a test. Obama's middle name "Hussein" and his popularity in Arab countries could pose a serious threat to the organization. Contrary to Bush, Obama is difficult to portray as an American infidel. Al-Qaida lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahiri in his remarks on the American election was forced to provide more creative criticism, calling Obama a "house negro." Terrorists may in fact be trying to force Obama into reacting harshly, so that he appears to the world as war-minded as Bush.

But the events have not caught the team unprepared. The US security forces have repeatedly outlined the possibility of a terrorist attack during the transitional phase. American Secretary for Homeland Security Michael Chertoff has long warned of the dangers of handing over power in times of war -- and gave a reminder that former presidents like Bill Clinton and George W. Bush had to react to terror attacks early on.


For that reason, ever since the election, Obama has received the same secret service briefings as the president. The FBI has also started unusually early with their security checks on potential white house employees -- in contrast to Bush's first time in office. Back then, many of his closest security advisors had not completed their checks by the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.

And the Democratic president-elect has also moved with caution when selecting his cabinet. He asked Secretary of Defense Robert Gates -- a Republican with close links to the Bush family -- to stay in office for at least another year. That provoked grumbling among the left wing of the Democrats. But Obama found it more important to avoid an abrupt change in the global security policy given the two US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the ongoing terror threat. The Wednesday attacks have validated his approach.

Still, despite the early chorus of praise, Obama remains a novice in foreign affairs -- and he will need advice from old hands. "There are a lot of things that keep me up at night," Obama said in the interview with Barbara Walters: the financial crisis, the US auto industry's decline and the energy crisis. Now he knows all too well that foreign crises too can rob a president of his sleep.
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post Nov 27 2008, 09:51 AM
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More than 100 dead by now:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/2...-attacks-india4

Perhaps the headline of that 'Spiegel'-article says it all:

"Obama's First Test..."
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Yes, I suppose it's too early to tell, but I'm wondering, Is It Real, or is it Memorex?

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Hmm, they need to bring in more rules, that no one,
would normally except,
so, they first need to install a state of fear in the public,
to justify the new unjustifiable regulations.
I have no doubt, that this event was brought about by TPTB,
who have declared themselves, long ago, to be at war with mankind.

It's not about religious sects, or countries,
or even cold blooded aliens from outer space;
these are, the plausibly-deniable-made-up-excuses/fictions,
given to the individual person, though the controlled media, via
news, politics, education and entertainment, to befuddle, confuse and
deflect, their individual mind, from the fact, that one has just as much right;
as any one of these, psychopathic-inbred-dominant-minority, who are
calling all the shots, insidiously in the background; as they do.

Sorry for the run on sentence.

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post Nov 27 2008, 01:48 PM
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Source:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai_...cms?in_showcase





Mumbai attackers may be Pakistani nationals


27 Nov 2008, 1359 hrs IST, PTI

MUMBAI: Preliminary investigations on Thursday pointed to involvement of at least some Pakistani nationals in the serial terror attacks in Mumbai that left over 100 dead and 270 others injured.

"There are indications that the perpetrators of the crime, who arrived in Mumbai by boats, are Pakistani nationals," authoritative sources said.

The indications are based on information gathered from captured terrorists, the sources said.

Maharashtra deputy chief minister R R Patil, who also holds the Home portfolio, said revealing detailed information on the terror strikes could prove detrimental at this juncture.

"We have total clues. But disclosing information would not help the case," Patil said. "This is an attack on the country. We will disclose information at an appropriate time," he said.

Meanwhile, there are reports that Colaba police have impounded four boats allegedly used by the terrorists to reach the Mumbai coast.
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Is there a relationship between this attack in Mumbai and this news?

Source:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...han-effort.html




Barack Obama plans 20,000 troop surge to boost Afghan effort


Barack Obama is preparing to send at least 20,000 more US soldiers into Afghanistan
in a "surge" similar to the deployment that contributed to security improvements in Iraq.

By Alex Spillius in Washington
Last Updated: 11:31AM GMT 27 Nov 2008

The President-Elect's intention to shift the focus of the fight against terrorism to Afghanistan has been bolstered by Robert Gates agreement to stay on as Defence Secretary.

Mr Gates is a strong believer in an Afghan surge, which would not only put thousands more boots on the ground but involve negotiations with malleable branches of the Taliban.

It would also aim to boost co-operation with Iran and Pakistan where some elements have supported the anti-Western insurgency.

The need for more US troops in addition to the 32,000 already serving, has been accelerated by the Afghan presidential election in September 2009, and the voter registration process that begins in the New Year, Mr Gates said.

"The most important objective for us for 2009 in Afghanistan is a successful election," he said at a meeting of defence ministers from the eight countries fighting in southern Afghanistan. "One of the things we talked about was trying to surge as many forces as we can prior to the election, to try and provide a secure environment for the election."

The Pentagon chief, who has been in the position for two years, added that he wanted to send another three brigades of combat ground forces and an aviation brigade, beginning as early as next spring.

A Pentagon official said the plans are likely to be drawn up before Mr Obama takes office on Jan 20. Most will be sent to the poppy-growing South, where the need for more Western forces is greatest, and where 8,000 British troops are currently fighting.

A spokesman said the final number was likely to be "well north of 20,000", and indicated that countries such as Britain already fighting in the south would not face strong US demands to provide more troops.

Those would be placed on Nato participants not yet involved at the sharp end.

Defence department staff members are privately delighted Mr Obama has chosen to retain a popular boss in the interests of stability. Mr Gates is expected to be officially introduced as part of an experience and centrist national security team on Monday.

"The president-elect has already indicated that he wants to put additional troops in Afghanistan," said an official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Over the weekend Mr Obama reiterated that he wanted to begin drawing down the 146,000 US troops in Iraq as soon as he takes office, saying he wanted to "shore up efforts" in Afghanistan.

During the election campaign, Obama said his administration would dispatch two or three additional brigades to Afghanistan in 2009, on top of the brigade President George W Bush decided to send this January.

Each brigade contains between 3,500 and 4,000 soldiers.

Some estimates for the numbers needed to fight the Taliban are however now running much higher than the initial 20,000 foreseen by Mr Gates.

Current and former US officials have warned that a surge of forces into Afghanistan will not necessarily meet with the same success as the troop build-up in Iraq.

"Additional troops in Afghanistan may be necessary but they will not, by themselves, be sufficient to lead to the results we saw in Iraq. A similar confluence of events that contributed to success in Iraq does not appear to exist in Afghanistan," former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in a recent newspaper opinion piece.

Some analysts believe Washington ultimately will need more than 100,000 troops to stabilise Afghanistan before the Afghan army is ready to take over security.

"I suspect that to succeed in Afghanistan, we're eventually going to have to swing a sizeable fraction of what we now have in Iraq into Afghanistan," said Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations.

"The scale of the shift will be large, and the time needed to pull it off will be long," he said.
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...and this wasn't in the cards?

Escalation.

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QUOTE (painter @ Nov 27 2008, 07:52 PM) *
Is there a relationship between this attack in Mumbai and this news?

Source:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...han-effort.html


The Hegellian principle of Problem-Reaction-Solution would explain it.

Question is: Would Barak have send the troops without the attacs? Or would he be albe
to do so as a "President-elect" in the first place?

The pre planned 'Solution' (more troops) was on the agenda, then They™ created the 'Problem'
(terrror attacks involving terrorists specificly looking for US/UK hostages), then the reaction
was 'Fear' (as always), so They™ showed up with their 'Solution' (more troops).

It is so extremely obvious that you really need to avoid thinking to buy it. Unfortunately this
is what most sheople do.

MY personal opinion and weather forecast: This will be a very stormy, cold and unfriendly winter.


analogizing: Carl
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It looks as Pakistan is the target -

My favourite fear and war monger DER SPIEGEL again with this today:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/...,593158,00.html
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ECHOES OF AL-QAIDA
Looking Behind the Scenes of the Mumbai Attacks

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh thinks the brutal Wednesday attacks in Mumbai had "external linkages." But with whom? A connection with al-Qaida cannot be ruled out.

It was hardly the kind of attack that one has come to expect from al-Qaida. Black-hooded attackers wielding automatic weapons and grenades swarmed into the financial district of Mumbai on Wednesday evening, occupying luxury hotels and taking dozens of hostages. Over 100 people have been killed in the attacks and over 250 wounded. On Thursday, the city-wide standoff with the terrorists continued; the attackers were demanding the release of "mujahedeen" from Indian jails.

PHOTO GALLERY: MASSACRE IN MUMBAI

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Still, the question as to who is behind the brutal assaults remains open. A previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen sent e-mails to news outlets claiming responsibility. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said in an address to his nation on Thursday that the attacks probably had "external linkages."

Given the highly coordinated nature of the attack, it would be difficult to exclude such a possibility, despite the targets having been "soft targets" like hotels and train stations instead of well-guarded government facilities. There have, however, been no other claims of responsibility -- and certainly none from al-Qaida. Even if Osama bin Laden's followers were somehow involved, the group tends not to make claims of responsibility until well after the fact, often in the form of slickly produced propaganda videos or farewell messages from suicide attackers.

Such was the pattern following the attack on the Danish Embassy in Pakistan last June. For weeks after the car bomb, al-Qaida remained silent. Finally, on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, the group claimed responsibility.

In India, though, the pattern -- as seen in a number of brutal attacks in recent years -- has been a different one. Indian Islamist groups have often laid claim to the attacks -- and in those cases when they didn't, Indian authorities pinned the blame on them. Indeed, there are almost a half-dozen terror groups on the Subcontinent which could conceivably be behind the attacks on Wednesday and Thursday. And a number of them have contacts to al-Qaida.

Where the Mumbai attacks took place.
Wednesday's attack does follow a pattern that has come to be associated with many terrorist groups in India. Specifically, they tend to conduct a number of simultaneous attacks coordinated across the city, though the individual assaults may make use of various methods. On Wednesday, a whole host of different methods were on display, including hostage taking, spraying innocent bystanders with gunfire and the use of explosives.

Indeed, such tactics have led a number of experts on Thursday to doubt direct al-Qaida participation. "There is absolutely nothing al-Qaida-like about it," Christine Fair, a South Asia expert with the RAND Corporation, told the International Herald Tribune. "Did you see any suicide bombers? … They don't do hostage taking and they don't do grenades," she continued, referring to al-Qaida.

Still, whoever is behind the attacks, al-Qaida is probably pleased by their work. Osama bin Laden's network has an interest in the destabilization of the entire region. Pakistan is certainly number one on that list, but each additional Islamist attack carried out in India has the potential of chipping away at India's ties with Pakistan. And the greater the instability in the region, the easier it becomes for al-Qaida to operate.

Al-Qaida has for years had close ties with terror groups across South Asia, and not just in India. The Taliban from Pakistan or extremist groups from Kashmir or Bangladesh could all have had a hand in the Mumbai attacks. Each of those groups is pursuing independent goals in the region, many of which are complementary to al-Qaida's aims. Cooperation among them is common -- many terror experts have said these groups participate in a sort of outsourcing model of terror attacks.

So far, terrorists have in recent years been unable to substantially destabilize India. But with Pakistan experiencing political volatility, economic collapse and difficulties on its border with Afghanistan, radicals may now have their chance. The attack could very well be the result of that sort of political and strategic calculation.
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It's like someone is trying to provoke a nuclear war. First the US pushes Georgia to attack S.O. bringing on a Russian response. Now India and Pakistan. It won't belong before someone somewhere blinks and pushes the BIG button.
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Obama is now the president elect.
So- it won't concern George so much, now that he's about to leave.
It will be the legacy Obama will have to adress...
And he has already made it clear that he intends to send more troops to Afghanistan.

A few weeks ago, he and McCain were holding their final debate at Hofstra.

This is what went on outside- where people also had a few questions for the candidates:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oRAKItO7NY...feature=related

This speaks volumes, I fear.
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Surprise, surprise. Turns out it was a British false flag attack. rolleyes.gif


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otM2tdVzogs

Mumbai attack: British men 'among the terrorists'

British men were among the terrorists who killed 140 in the attacks in Mumbai, Indian authorities have claimed.

By Jon Swaine
28 Nov 2008

Two British-born Pakistanis were among eight gunmen seized by Indian commandos who stormed buildings to free hostages, Vilasrao Deshmukh, the chief minister of Mumbai, reportedly said.

The Foreign Office earlier said it was investigating reports on NDTV, a local television news channel, that the terrorists - who swarmed luxury hotels and other tourist sites in the city - included "British citizens of Pakistani origin".

The development came as Gordon Brown called for international co-ordination to combat terrorism in the wake of the attacks. He said: "We have got to look at how international action against terrorism can be improved."

On the claim that Britons could have been among the perpetrators, he said: "I would not want to be drawn into early conclusions about this.

"Obviously when you have terrorists operating in one country, they may be getting support from another country or coming from another country, and it is very important that we strengthen the co-operation between India and Britain in dealing with these instances of terrorist attacks."

Describing events as "atrocious", the Prime Minister told Sky News: "It is clear that we have got to help the Indian government deal with this terrorist incident and we have sent people from the Metropolitan Police to help."

Mr Brown, who is to talk to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh later on Friday, said he did not believe there were any further Britons among hostages.

One Briton, Andreas Liveras, the founder of a luxury yacht business who was in his 70s, has been confirmed among the dead, while at least seven are known to have been injured.

Mr Brown said: "Of course, we are mourning the death of a British citizen who has died and as the high commissioner visits hospitals in the Mumbai area, we are hoping to discover more in terms of the number of people injured."

The Prime Minister's comments came as Indian commando troops cleared the last terrorists from buildings across Mumbai.

At the Oberoi Hotel, at least 25 captives - including two Britons and another clutching a baby - were rushed out and loaded into waiting cars, buses and ambulances.

Mark Abell, a British lawyer, who on Thursday spoke to The Daily Telegraph while barricaded into his hotel room, was among those released. He said: "I'm going home, I'm going to see my wife."

He added: "These people here have been fantastic, the Indian authorities, the hotel staff. I think they are a great advertisement for their country."

Another man, who said he was British but would not give his name, said: "I didn't see anything. I just heard loud blasts. I was in my room. I didn't get out until an hour ago."

Nicole Griffen, another Briton, said she had been rescued by Indian special forces from the Taj Mahal.

She told BBC Radio 5 Live: "They entered and looked through our passports and scouted around to see if there was (anyone) harbouring terrorists or attackers.

"And then we were promptly told where to go by the central stairway and again we were asked to wait with other guests while they checked other floors and checked other rooms and we all congregated into one space where they could protect us centrally."

Heavy gunfire was heard early on Friday as commandos were dropped by helicopter on to the roof of a Jewish centre where at least 10 hostages were believed to be held.

A group calling itself Deccan Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the attacks.

However, Mr Singh blamed "external forces" for the violence - a phrase sometimes used to refer to Pakistani militants, whom Indian authorities often blame for attacks.

The country's foreign minister was more explicit.

"According to preliminary information, some elements in Pakistan are responsible," Pranab Mukherjee said.


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SAS? MI5/6? whistle.gif
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LOL! The City of London?

*cough* Rothschilds *cough*
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As many as seven British Nationals.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-7-bombers.html

Like dMole said "SAS, MI5/6"
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Gurkha come to mind and I know there are stong ties with SAS/SBS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha
(with the usual wiki disclaimer)
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In their defence, SAS are highly-capable and extremely well-trained in my estimation. Plus I think they are less "nutty" than most of the US SEALs that I've met. I just happen to disagree with the "poli"-DICKS of both of their supervisors...

EDIT: Make "supervisors" "chains-of-command" but you get the idea....

My $0.02
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