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Frank Legge Claims Warren Stutt's Ntsb Data Decode Confirms Official Story, Warren Stutt....do you agree with Legge?

Craig Ranke CIT
post Nov 8 2010, 11:41 AM
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Warren Stutt,

As discussed in detail in this thread, certain govt loyalist types have been using your decode to spread propaganda claiming the data does not contradict the physical damage to the light poles and the building. Sure enough your Australian colleague Frank Legge has been confidently proclaiming that your decode of the alleged FDR data released by the NTSB "debunks" the findings of Pilots For 9/11 Truth and supports the official story of hitting the light poles and impacting the Pentagon low and level into the first floor. Here is one of his numerous statements to that effect:

QUOTE (Frank Legge)
The FDR file has now been fully decoded by Warren Stutt. It shows the plane descending smoothly from the VDOT tower, pulling up strongly, but not too strongly, passing so low that it had to hit the light poles, then hitting the Pentagon at the position observed by the many eye witnesses and as shown in photographs. Here is Stutt's web site.
http://www.warrenstutt.com/

A paper on this is under review.

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Do you agree with this statement?

Craig
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post Nov 8 2010, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 8 2010, 10:41 AM) *
Warren Stutt,

Do you agree with this statement?

Craig


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10790647

Warren and I already discussed this above.

His data does not add up to impact and that the increased speeds make it that much more impossible for a 757 at any G load. Matter of fact, he has virtually proven that the data he decoded cannot be from an American Airlines aircraft. See link above and scroll up from there.


Whether or not Warren agrees doesn't matter. The numbers are what they are. They do not add up to impact.

We'll have more when Frank ever gets around to publishing his new "paper".

From what I understand, Legge is having some serious problems with his new "paper" as well, which is why no one has seen it.

I find it odd though that Legge et al doesn't trust one govt agency (the NIST), and yet feels data from another is authentic. (Well, technically, the final data decode is not from the NTSB).

If anyone would like to read more on the failures of Frank Legge, click here....

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...;#entry10777266
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post Nov 8 2010, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Nov 8 2010, 05:25 PM) *
Whether or not Warren agrees doesn't matter. The numbers are what they are. They do not add up to impact.


I think it matters when exposing exactly how blatant the lies are coming from Legge and/or of course how forthright or honest Stutt is as well.

If Stutt doesn't agree with Legge's quoted statement it shows that Legge is not only lying about the data, but also misrepresenting Warren Stutt's position.

As was clear when he first created his website and started simultaneously posting here and at j.ref, Warren Stutt's findings are being fraudulently touted as a DEBUNK to your findings.

I think a direct answer to my question of whether or not he agrees with that Legge quote is a reasonable request.
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post Nov 8 2010, 01:56 PM
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QUOTE (Craig Ranke CIT @ Nov 8 2010, 12:45 PM) *
Warren Stutt's findings are being fraudulently touted as a DEBUNK to your findings.



I'm aware. Unfortunately for them, his data still does not add up to an impact. This is why the people who claim our work has been "debunked!" refuse come here to debate the data, and instead spread disinformation on sites they know we cannot respond.

I also dont think you'll get a reply from Warren here on this thread. It is explained in the other thread I linked above.
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post Nov 8 2010, 02:41 PM
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These guys have absolutely no shame.

Putting out these shady, simplistic, hollow articles and passing them off as "science" all in the name of furiously defending the official narrative.

Worst of all Legge tries to pass himself off as part of the truth movement.

Truly disgusting.
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QUOTE (Rob)


Wow, so much for "neutral" Warren.
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They are both fwits if you ask me believing in the sam delusional crap as most people, hey they even have each other to help
back up each others delusions, now if only we could get them and put them on one big ship along with all the JREFS and sink the
ship by blowing a hole through it with a rocket launcher and watching it sink that would be marvelous peace at last problem solved.

Has anyone asked any of them whether they believe in santa claus?

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Hi All! A repeat of a post a few minutes ago on the other Tread devoted to the Legge Paper.

Here's three posts saying what I think of the Legge Paper. I haven't bothered to read it so maybe he has revised his approach to avoid some of this, which are broad conceptual problems with his approach, but I'll bet not all.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10777284

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10777287

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10777290
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