Collection Of Hard Facts, share anything u consider "undebunkable" Options

[Sanders]

If anyone believes something fits the description of an "undebunkable" incriminating fact, list it (them) here in a post. Links to source material, it may even be something already in this Library, are requested. This thread is open, anyone can reply in it. Some of the members may even try and compile something with teeth from the info that finds its way here.

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[pinnacle]

Multiple videos, audio recordings, transcripts and eyewitness statements prove a
four engine White Jet ( suspiciously similar to the E-4B National Airborne Operations Center)
was flying near the White House and Capitol Buliding between 9:40 am and 9:50
am September 11, 2001. Yet the air force denies knowledge of any aircraft being there in the letter I have from the Pentagon dated November 8, 2006 which was sent to my Congressman in response to a request for information he made on my behalf.
This is an undeniable conflict between the news media and the US air force. I have sent copies of this letter to several journialists and asked them to investigate why "air force officials" have
in effect said that major news media persons like Peter Jennings, John King, Katie Couric and many others were reporting about an aircraft that did not exist.
You would think they would have a stake in defending the accuracy of the free press
which accurately reported this aircraft on September 11, 2001 and then never mentioned it again.
Instead they ignore the factual data and question why I would bring up such a glaring
and well documented issue that they have failed to investigate for five years.
I have no particular theory to push but as a taxpayer I just want to know who sent
that plane into restricted airspace during a terrorist attack, what advance information did they have that enabled them to get there 20 minutes before the first jet fighters arrived, and why has the US air force and the 9/11 Commission refused to acknowledge it's existence for more than five years?

[grizz]

Osama bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI for 9/11. I can't find that article by the guy who noticed that and called the FBI and was told there was no evidence linking OBL to 9/11.

[Edit] FBI says:“No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

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[Guest_librarian_*]

Senator Dayton: NORAD Lied About 9/11
Sunday, August 1, 2004

Mark Dayton has become the first U.S. senator to challenge the rush to consensus that "The 9/11 Commission Report" settles the open questions of Sept. 11, 2001.

In hearings last Friday, Sen. Dayton (D-MN) raised an obvious point: if the timeline of air defense response as promoted in the Kean Commission's best-selling book is correct, then the timeline presented repeatedly by NORAD during the last two years was completely wrong. Yet now no one at NORAD is willing to comment on their own timeline!

@ Infowars
http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/dayton_911truth.htm

The transcript of Senator Dayton's remarks has been removed.
I'm noticing this more and more lately, especially with particularly incriminating information (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)

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edit: I found it
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040805095600503
and 911Truth.org's print of the same article
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607

[pinnacle]

Not only has Osama bin Laden not been indicted for the 9/11 attacks but niether has
Ayman al Zawahiri. This may be a legal loophole that allows the government to ignore them since
the Congressional authorization to use force was supposedly aimed at the "perpetrators" of 9/11
and indicting them might make it necessary to actually go after them, which we apparently don't want to do.
It does seem that somebody would indict these guys if the evidence is so strong that they did it, just for appearances sake, but it has not happened yet.
It does seem weird that Bush publicly blames Osama for 9/11 all the time but won't even try to get an indictment as was done against members of his own administration for far lesser
reasons.

[rob balsamo]

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/index.html


and every link on that site...

[georgie101]

i think the discrepencies between the times, and the seizmic reports are pretty much hard facts.

[skywatcher]

From Kristen Breitweiser's book Wake Up Call....

"The widows fought, and won, on the principles of the inquiry's independence and its right to summons witnesses and documents. And then they went head to head with the White House's first candidate as head of the investigation - the fabled Henry Kissinger. The veteran Republican warrior and contemporary Washington lobbyist invited the Jersey Girls to his office for coffee, over which he was somewhat taken aback when they demanded to see his client list, to ensure that there was no conflict of interest.

Breitweiser writes: "Kissinger told us to trust him. We told him we couldn't … Kissinger seemed stunned … He didn't understand the fuss about his client list - they were all reputable people, he said.

"Kissinger seemed stricken and became unsteady. In reaching for his cup of coffee he bobbled, knocked the pot, spilled his own cup and nearly fell off the couch." Kissinger never answered their question and the next day he resigned from the chairmanship of the September 11 commission."

[Sanders]

This was e-mailed to JDX, was posted by him elsewhere on the board, I think it should be noted here as well for reference

http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth914/mineta.html

[waterdancer]

This was e-mailed to JDX, was posted by him elsewhere on the board, I think it should be noted here as well for reference

http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth914/mineta.html

I dunno. Dick Cheney in the PEOC well before 9:58, I agree with. One of the 9/11 CONmission's many lies. But, here's my take on what the orders may have been. Not saying were, just saying may have been.
Orders for SS agents to shoot down the incoming plane using SAMs. But the plane didn't get close enough to the White House. I wouldn't call the stand down scenario undebunkable evidence based on that overheard conversation. We just don't know what the order was that "still stands". We do know that we need a new investigation bcause of this and many other lies by the 9/11 CONmission.

[pinnacle]

I don't know what it means but it is an undebunkable fact that many of the
people who were in the hijacked planes on 9/11 are not listed
in the Social Security Death Index as having died on September 11, 2001.
Many of the names appear with different dates, and some names do not appear at all.
A large number of crew members are not listed and many of phone callers are also not shown as having died on 9/11.
The SSDI has about 80 million names
and is constantly updated.

[Sanders]

Pakistani wire transfer to Atta's bank account, and the fact that reference to the ISI General was deleted from the official transcripts of a press conference where an Indian Journalist asked Condi Rice about the money and the General's visit to Washington the week of 9/11??

At least it's evidence of a cover-up.

And of course the BBC reporting the collapse of WTC7 23 minutes too early. That's a smoking gun that is hard to argue with.

[Sanders]

courtesy of jo56:

http://www.911proof.com/

[MichaelMR]

http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html

This is an edited version of Chapter 4 from the explosive 400-page exposé, "The War on Freedom: How and Why America was Attacked, September 11, 2001", by the leading British political scientist and human rights activist Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, Director of the Institute for Policy Research & Development in Brighton, UK. This book was featured on Barry Zwicker’s MediaFile documentary series, ‘The Great Deception: The War on Terrorism – An Alternative View?’, Vision TV, Canada (February 4, 2002): "The most complete book I know of, at this time, summarizing the relevant background and foreground intersecting upon the events of September 11, 2001."

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[Sanders]

Steven Jones, X-ray spectrometry evidence from samples taken at the WTC site.

Perfect match with thermate.

http://stopthelie.com/the_evidence_is_in.html

[Ricochet]

Guns encased in melted concrete.Temperatures had to exceed 3000 degrees to obtain results.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11guns/

[lunk]

That's the first time I heard that the,
"Fire temperatures were so intense
that the concrete melted like lava
around anything in its path."

"A special pretreatment procedure was adopted for DTA experiments with mixtures containing 10 wt% concrete because of concerns
that (1) these samples would not melt sufficiently to provide good contact with the thermocouple because of their high liquidus temperature ( >2500 C) and (2) the samples, if not pretreated at a high temperature, would not contain equilibrium phases. Thererfore, these samples were heated for up
to an hour under flowing Ar-3%H (at 15 kPa) at temperatures as high as 2500 C for limstone-concrete and 2200 C for siliceous concrete."

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:9TXx-...t=clnk&cd=1

"The U.S. Customs House stored a large arsenal of firearms at its
Six World Trade Center office."

What building was the U.S. Customs House in, at the WTC?

WTC Building SIX!?

These must be holographic melted concrete covered guns...

WTF?!

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/9-11guns/

I'm not really into smoking guns...
but these guns have already been smoked...
heavily!

imo, lunk

[Ricochet]

I thought you might like that.You don't have to be a Phd to see that there is nothing in the OCT fires that could create this amount of heat.

[KP50]

I thought you might like that.You don't have to be a Phd to see that there is nothing in the OCT fires that could create this amount of heat.

Hi Rico,

Do you have any "non-conspiracy" links to the concrete encrusted guns? It certainly is a bizarre sight.

[dMz]

Do you have any "non-conspiracy" links to the concrete encrusted guns? It certainly is a bizarre sight.

Hi KP50,

Mike Rivero's site says "THESE GUNS ARE ON DISPLAY AT THE NEW YORK POLICE MUSEUM"- maybe one of our NYC friends could verify (cetainly NOT me, by any stretch). It certainly looked like a "proper" museum photo to me.

I could fairly confidently identify a "fossilized" Beretta and Sig Sauer [probably both 9mm Parabellum by the 2001 date, or else .40 Smith & Wesson caliber (later LE use in MOST of the US)] by the "fossilized" slides. That "revolver" looked like a volcanic rock to me, though. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

FWIW on the model numbers- the 9mm Beretta is an M92... the .40 Beretta is an M96, and the "squared" 9mm Sig is a P226 from what I recall (again- please verify- don't quote me here).

Dunno if this helps,
d