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Reality, The dream of the dream world

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post Feb 2 2008, 11:07 PM
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Most everybody dreams.
When we are dreaming,
we do not know that things, in our dreams, aren't real,
In fact, the non-existence of things is unknown to us.

This, is the complete opposite of reality, where
the existence of things ARE known to us.

Dream things seem real. We can test them, in our
dreams, and they will pass all the tests.

We meet other entities in our dreams, all of who,
seem to be real, too, and sometimes talk to us.

There also exists a dream-state, where you know that you
are dreaming, and can control the dream.
This is called a lucid dream.
They don't last for long.

Dreams occur after the brain releases a chemical known
as DMT, this happens just prior to REM sleep,
REM sleep is what we do when we dream.

DMT is also released 45 days after the conception to the fetus,
and just prior to the time of death, of the individual living thing.
(not just humans)

In other words, we arrive in this world from a dream,
we spend our sleeping lives dreaming, every night, and we
(hopefully) exit through a dream.

What if the dream world is real?
Our normal state of being for all eternity.
Life, reality, and this universe are
the dream of the dream world,
and we need to revisit it often, whilst we are alive,
to keep us alive.

Row, row, row your boat
gently, down the stream,
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.

Lets do what we can so that
it doesn't turn into a nightmare.

imho, lunk

PS. I think, that when we pass on
from this life, we go into a permanent,
lucid dream...
for as long as you can handle it.
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post Feb 3 2008, 08:29 AM
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Thanks lunk. I like dreams.
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post Feb 6 2008, 03:59 PM
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Interesting concept...especially the last bit.
The Native Americans would tell you that the only things which are real are dreams. The Australian Aborigines speak of the 'Dreaming' or 'Dream Time'.
Us Westerners- we tend to believe only what we can see, hear or touch:
The perception of the senses becomes the overriding principle.
But just how real is all this ?

The only thing which the eye can perceive is light.
The problem is that the light we perceive when looking at this table, or at that Pullover, is the light which reflects of those objects.

Sound is perceived by way of soundwaves reflecting of the eardrum.

Smell and taste are, in effect, bio-chemical reflections.

But what about the real test- that table is, after all, something solid:
It can be touched !

...Except that old Isaac Newton formulated several hundred years ago that any force which is excerted will create an equally strong opposing force:
It's not the table, but the force with which it pushes back when we attempt to touch it which we perceive.
By definition, that's a reflection again...

We exist in a universe in which one thing reflects off another- a mirror-cabinet, a Kaleidoscope- whichever you want to call it.
A box of tricks...

So- how real is a reality which can only be perceived indirectly, by way of a reflection- but never directly ?
And when you look in the mirror- which is the real you:
You- or your reflection...??

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post Feb 6 2008, 10:59 PM
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How strange, when we see something, like a table,
that's coloured blue in sunlight; that table is actually
absorbing every other colour in the visible light spectrum,
except blue, which is reflecting back at us.

It's as if everything we see is the opposite of what it appears
to be. On the hasp, backwards.
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post Feb 7 2008, 03:03 AM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Feb 6 2008, 09:59 PM)
How strange, when we see something, like a table,
that's coloured blue in sunlight; that table is actually
absorbing every other colour in the visible light spectrum,
except blue, which is reflecting back at us.

It's as if everything we see is the opposite of what it appears
to be. On the hasp, backwards.

You raise your right hand-
your reflection appears to raise it's left...

Many of the ancient cultures and the various so-called primitive societies seem to have recognised the significance of all this. They incorporated little reminders into their teachings. Being aware of the difference between reality and illusion can be vital...
The enlightened West, on the other hand, has fallen prone to the illusion that the only thing which is real is the one you can see with your own eyes.
Strangely, the adherents of that viewpoint effectively deny their own existance...

What is it that makes you an individual ?

Colour of your eyes ?

Shape of your nose ??

Colour of your skin ???

Body of a man or a woman ????


...Or perhaps the thoughts which you think ?

And if so-
When was the last time you saw a thought with your own eyes, then ?
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post Feb 7 2008, 04:55 AM
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MONDO metaphysics, but HIGHLY interesting

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post Feb 9 2008, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE (Devilsadvocate @ Feb 6 2008, 11:03 PM)
When was the last time you saw a thought with your own eyes, then ?

When I was dreaming.

lol, lunk
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post Feb 10 2008, 08:31 AM
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http://www.newsnet7.com/view/311/-design-f...s-fantasy-life/
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post Feb 13 2008, 10:44 AM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Feb 9 2008, 09:17 AM)
QUOTE (Devilsadvocate @ Feb 6 2008, 11:03 PM)

When was the last time you saw a thought with your own eyes, then ?

When I was dreaming.

lol, lunk

Hehe... tongue.gif
Good answer ! handsdown.gif
Although...
In your dreams, you don't look at things with your eyes in any physical sense...
It's more like the inward-looking eye, no ?

Edit:
The video doesn't really qualify as a dream, I'm afraid.
More like your typical 'Happy-Crappy-Nifty-Fifties'- Nightmare... silly.gif

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post Feb 14 2008, 01:26 PM
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Sorry about that,
I wish the sound was better.

It's the apparent oppositeness
of the dream world
from reality,
that I find fascinating.

It's something to do with...
knowing.
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post Feb 17 2008, 11:15 PM
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The "where am I?" question is an interesting one.

Where is the central location of the thing each of us calls "I"?

Is it in your chest? Behind your eyes?
If it doesn't have a location, how can it even exist?
Is it immaterial? Is it just the body, imagining things?

Simple little questions.

But incorrect answers could be used as a means of control,
over what you do; how you behave; and what you think.

The words "Free and independent" are rarely used today,
These words are for reality, not just for our dreams.

imo, lunk
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post Feb 27 2008, 07:36 PM
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It's strange that in many clubs (organizations),
we are asked to believe in a higher power, some require this
as a prerequisite for joining their particular club.

Don't get too worried, I'm thinking, Boy Scouts here.
But the same is true for the Free Masons.

Why is this so predominant; to "believe" in a higher power in order to "belong" to a group or organization?

Why should the fire be thankful, in any way to us, for building it?
It isn't.
And we wouldn't be asking it for glorification. Just to keep us warm.
A fire, in many ways, fits the definition of life. I digress...

What I figure it's all about is for each individual to realize that they
are the "top of the castle", there is no higher power.

Each one of us reading this, is an equal, in some way.
After all we are all living on the same closed environmental system
and directly or indirectly, we are all reliant on each other.

Isn't there enough inherent danger in nature alone for us to
mitigate our differences in a sensible fashion?

Humans, shouldn't we be building giant spaceships,
so we all can live in a more secure environment?
Or something, other than what we got going on right now.

imo, lunk
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post Mar 4 2008, 09:37 AM
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We are told, when we are very young, to believe in another higher power, or being.
This may seems rather benign, at that time, in our lives.
But it becomes instilled in our comprehension of this world and
therefore, later, as we become older, becomes vehemently enforced by our own psyche.

Regardless of there being a higher power... or not...

We judge ourselves by our own actions.
Each one of us is responsible
to our own self
for those actions.

This is what we all have to live with.

This is OUR greatest responsibility.

imo, lunk
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post Mar 4 2008, 10:41 AM
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Each of us has an "I"
Interesting, all reference's in the Bible to God are made with a capital (He or Him, the universal She) whatever...

In the English language all references to "me" are written in the capital "I".

What if all "I"s were the same "I"?

That is the same "I" in jdx; is the same "I" in painter; is the same "I" in sanders (I wont go on) is the same "I" in me but it can only react with the individual knowledge of the life forms it inhabits.

What I'm saying is that the "I" in each of us is the same, regardless of the individual and their opinions or beliefs.

They could all be interchangeable as the "I" in each of us,
is the same.

Of all our differences, we all have an "I".
and that is what is important in keeping us as one.









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post Mar 10 2008, 12:53 AM
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OK, I'm still figuring this one out...in...

What if, the "I" that each of us know as ourselves,
is the same singular "I"?
But, it is somehow only aware of the life form it inhabits,
and that beings' memories and experiences...

I often listen to the birds in the forest and think;
they must be communicating something more than
territorial and mating calls.. It's a language, that I feel,
I should understand, but it eludes me.
I think that we(or humans in general) are somehow,
disconnected from nature in a polar opposite way.

Enough for now.
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post Mar 10 2008, 10:33 PM
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I mean, what are we (humanity) doing?
We are using more than we need by the process
of destroying the very planetary ecosystem that
brought us into creation?
It's like we are fighting against the environment that nurtured us.
We are created from nature-yet we appear to be at war against it...
It's like (almost) every individual "I" is a polar opposite of nature.

Now what has poles?
A spinning top; a planet; a magnet...
Are we all just little magnets with our pole pointed in the opposite direction of everything else in nature?

What are we drawn towards?
What repels us?
Can we turn our compass around 180 degrees?

What has all this have to do with attention?

drifting back into a dream

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post Mar 11 2008, 06:00 PM
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Remember the circles... ?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11262

When we are born, we sit on that throne:

The problem is- we are sitting on it, but we don't realise it exists.

Nobody teaches us that it exists, either.

So we forget...

But-

Nothing and nobody must ever sit on that throne but the person whose name it bears.

Nothing and nobody...




What happens if somebody convinces people:

"Sorry- but you will just have to kindly vacate that spot in the center of your inner universe...

So that Our Lord- This, that or the other god from the outside can take a seat there" ???

Those people will be catapultet out.

And they will hang on to the very edge of that inner universe, staring at it's outer boundary-

from the outside.

That boundary happens to be the physical body...

And this is were the same people are told:

"Ah- but the body is dirty...

It's filthy, disgusting, sinful.

This package carries a health-warning:

'Sex can seriously endanger your immortal soul...'

So be warned:

You will fry in hell..."



And so they can't get past that boundary- since it scares them to cross that line on the way in.

But-

These people are gods and goddesses by birth:

They have a birth-right to rule an entire cosmos.

If they are not allowed to rule their own-

They will always try to barge into someone elses...



This is the spiritual equivalent to a nuclear explosion:

It causes a chain-reaction...



Is there a god on the outside ?

Oh, yes.

It's made up of the totality of all the various drops of consciousness of which all of creation consists.

If you were to pour all of those drops together, you would have an ocean of consciousness.

But what counts is the drop inside-

Not the ocean outside...

And that drop has to be in the very center of that cosmos you have got inside of yourself.

Otherwise you go unconscious...

It's irrelevant which part of the body it may reside in:

It's everywhere.

Inside.

The ocean is also everywhere.

Outside...

The problem is-

It's a futile exercise searching for that ocean-

Lest you get tempted to replace a drop with an entire ocean:

Unless you are prepared to drown, of course....



1)
"All organised dogmatic religions are by their very nature fallacious,

And no self-respecting person should ever subscribe to their teachings without questioning."



2)
"Reserve your right to think-

For even if you think wrongly, it's always better to make mistakes in your thinking

rather then not to think at all..."


3)
"To present superstition as truth is a most awful thing..."



(Hypathia of Alexandria)


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post Mar 11 2008, 07:27 PM
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What about using known myth as metaphor to get a complex concept, across to someone, about reality?

I guess that could be used both positive and negatively.

Still, I think it's time for a new analogy.

We need to instill the concept of "hero" in everyone, as something that they can aspire to.

We are trained, at a young age, to go with the flow, and not to question authority, obey, etc.
We are under the impression that somebody else is in charge so "don't worry about it, they will look after your interests in your interest."

The mentality of the herd,
fenced in by the manufactured nightmare
of a propagandized false reality.

Now, what was that dream about...
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post Mar 20 2008, 04:13 AM
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This is long, poor quality,
but, well worth watching:

http://www.newsnet7.com/view/407/esoteric-agenda/

extremely zeitgeistian.

Imho, lunk
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Better version of Esoteric Agenda

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