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Tamborineman's religious rant, Split from "Bush Warns anew of terror"

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post Jul 31 2007, 08:21 PM
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post Aug 1 2007, 12:59 AM
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Thanks, I think...
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post Aug 1 2007, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (Cary @ Jul 31 2007, 04:10 PM)
Actually hate and love are moods (complex assessments filled with emotions). To make either of them more than that is naive.

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Contrary to human beings, animals do not have consciousness and self-awareness, but are ruled solely by their instincts.


The higher intelligence animals have been documented to "language" from time to time, but do not live immersed in language as humans do. Predators have been well documented to "language" with one another in a hunt. But you're correct in that animals don't have cognizance of individuality. They respond to biological triggers for self-preservation and the continuation of the species.



I must humbly but strongly disagree with Cary on this point.

Love and Hate have nothing to do with moods, but are absolutely real and
tangible forces.
Neither love nor hate can be bisected into smaller parts. You cannot love a
little. Either you love or you don't. Same goes for hatred.

This is actually a very big problem with the english language: There exist no
word for love in it.

The word love in this language has completely lost its meaning. "I love my car"!
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"!

The word love must be qualified or prescribed, for exampel in the expression
"tru love" or " real love" before it is clear what the talk is all about. And even
with these descriptions, one cannot be sure that it is genuine. For how often do
we not see that couples who proclaim 'tru love' to each other, end up hating each
others guts!!

In the danish language the word love is translated to 'elske' and is generally used
in the same way as 'love'.
But 'elske' cannot be used to describe a mothers love for her baby or child. Here,
another word is used to describe this relationship, and that word is 'kærlighed'.

This word, 'kærlighed', cannot be misused or degraded or tampered with in any
way, as it is totally understood to mean feelings, passions and relationships on a
much higher level than the more common word 'elske'; that also in danish can be
used for virtually anything - like "Jeg elsker hotdogs"! (I love hotdogs).

So when I use the word 'love' in my posts, it is of course used as the highest
expression of the Light, or as the danes, norwegians and swedes would say:
"I Kærlighedens navn"! (In the name of ineffable love).

Yes, animals certainly employ many and varied form for sounds and signs as
a kind of language, but again this is done instinctively. No Thought and no Will,
or consciousness is involved.

Also human beings respond to triggers for self-preservation and the continuation
of the species. And human beings also act instinctively in many cases!
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post Aug 1 2007, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE (lunk @ Jul 31 2007, 11:59 PM)
Thanks, I think...



Beautifully expressed, lunk!

But I also love 'the butterfly out of the cocoon' image!
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post Aug 1 2007, 04:41 AM
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As for the stuff in TM's post that some of us have expressed our views on, everyone can see that there's some disagreement - I'll leave it at that, I certainly don't want to get bent out of shape over whether or not Hate is an all or nothing thing or if it comes in bite-size chunks as well.

As for the conciousness thing, I recommend reading 'Climbing Mount Improbable' by Richard Dawkins. I warn you though, it might convince you that conciousness & intelligence are manifested in increasing and more sophisticated degrees in a graduated curve spanning from slugs to people...
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post Aug 1 2007, 11:57 PM
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Extrapolating...
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post Aug 2 2007, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE (Sanders @ Aug 1 2007, 03:41 AM)
As for the conciousness thing, I recommend reading 'Climbing Mount Improbable' by Richard Dawkins. I warn you though, it might convince you that conciousness & intelligence are manifested in increasing and more sophisticated degrees in a graduated curve spanning from slugs to people...



Yes. Richard Dawkins is a very clever man.

I think it started with Hans Christian Andersen and the grimm brothers.

From then on it just went wild.

Since then we have seen thousands of animated cartoons in films and
newapapers, where animals seems to be more intelligent than the average
bloke in the street. I know that doesn't take much, but nevertheless, its
quite remarkable all the same, that this has become the order of the day.

Just take my gorgeous, beautiful, clever, sweet dog called Georgia. she's
a nice mixture between a border collie and a black labrador, with a
fantastic long shinning pitch black coat, adorable eyes and hanging ears.
She cost me AU$20.00, but in reality, you can't put a value on her.

The strangest thing is, she always know when I need to go for a walk.
She's incredible persistent. Its like she never bloody gives me a break.

She sort of know its good for me; that I need this walk, and for that I'm
eternally grateful to her. Without her, I would surely be dead by now.

Yes, that Dawkins bloke is a really clever man.
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post Aug 2 2007, 12:34 PM
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What happened here!!! whistle.gif

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post Aug 4 2007, 03:40 AM
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I'm trying to figure out an idea
that everyone can agree upon.

Religions all have their beauties
but are being used to divide us.

We all are more the same than
different from each other, regardless
of belief.

We need a myth that is analogous
with the world we live in today,
that we all can agree upon.

The Egg.
(time to hatch)

imho, lunk
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post Aug 4 2007, 07:15 AM
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Hehe...That's a concept almost as old as the end! thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 4 2007, 02:40 AM)
I'm trying to figure out an idea
that everyone can agree upon.

Religions all have their beauties
but are being used to divide us.

We all are more the same than
different from each other, regardless
of belief.

We need a myth that is analogous
with the world we live in today,
that we all can agree upon.

The Egg.
(time to hatch)

imho, lunk


May I kindly suggest the Supercircle.

Produced by Piet Hein with the help of a equation.
(Please read his grooks, please)!

We can now draw it with help of ruler and compass,
which changes the situation dramatically.
But see first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet_Hein_(Denmark)

The Supercircle is exactly half-way between the circle
and the square.

Metaphoric' and symbolic' speaking, I see it this way:

The circle represents the feminine aspect, or the Thought.
This again translates to the negative, passive, receptive
and creative. Or in short, the female.
also can it be said that the circle, as symbol, dominates
the eastern world both in architecture and in ordinary life.

The square on the other hand, represents the masculine
aspect, or the will. This translates to the positive, active
and productive. Or in short, the male.
Also can it be said that the square, as symbol, dominates
the western world both in architecture and in ordinary life.

The Supercircle thus becomes the neutral element, which
by its sheer presence will try to unite the two opposing
concepts into a harmonious whole, such that, instead of
remaining antagonists, they become mirrors and reflections
of each other.

Or to say it in another way:
The Supercircle will be seen as the child. The child, that by
its mere existence and neutral presence, is the first that one
day will be the real cause to the harmonious unification of
thought and will, male and female, east and west, positive
and negative, active and passive.

I do not expect that many will understand a word of what I'm
trying to say here. But if just one out of a hundred people
gets the idea, that will be enough to make my day! smile.gif


PS!
Much can be said about why Muslims circle a square black
silk-draped edifice 7 times, but this is another story!

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post Aug 5 2007, 09:45 PM
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It does sort of look like an egg.
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Wrong circle, painter!

Look here carefully on Piet Heins 'Superellipse',
and you will see the difference:

http://www.2dcurves.com/power/powerse.html

Or look here:

http://klassik.dk/2/788/1053/

Note the price on the cherrytree table!!
Around US$2000.00

Look here for his Grooks:

http://chat.carleton.ca/~tcstewar/grooks/grooks.html

Not bad reading!

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QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 5 2007, 08:45 PM)
It does sort of look like an egg.



Piet Heins ellipse goes under the name 'The Superegg"!

So yes, here you got your Egg. thumbsup.gif
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An apt Grook to the US adm.:



A WORD TO THE WISE

Let the world pass in its time-ridden race;
never get caught in its snare.
Remember, the only acceptable case
for being in any particular place
is having no business there.
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post Aug 6 2007, 01:35 AM
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Grooks are great...
and sort of like potato chips.
thoughtful potato chips...

thanks, lunk
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QUOTE (lunk @ Aug 6 2007, 12:35 AM)
Grooks are great...
and sort of like potato chips.
thoughtful potato chips...

thanks, lunk



He he, true originality - that chips thing -

sort of agree!

Thanks
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post Aug 9 2007, 06:44 PM
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I read one grook
thought about it,
read another one,
then another, and another...

It didn't take long
before I finished the whole page.

Now, I feel like I have over-thoughten...
It will take some time to digest
all this yummy mental food.


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