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[rob balsamo]

Who supplied the air speeds/ground speeds of those planes?

Were the air speeds/ground speeds of those planes taken from RADES or ATC supplied information?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/Radar_Dat...AA11,_UA175.pdf

Has anyone calculated the air speeds /ground speed from the videos of the planes hitting the towers?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10783680

[SanderO]

The answer is that this was data from EWR and so it is likely been inserted.

It was not calculated. QED.

[rob balsamo]

The answer is that this was data from EWR and so it is likely been inserted.

It was not calculated. QED.

The data is from ASR and Rades Radar. We do not have any evidence that the data was "inserted", we can only analyze the data in which the NTSB claims is accurrate. If the data is accurate, the speeds are impossible for a stock 767 as demonstrated and calculated in the film.

Also, as pointed out thoroughly in the film, if you believe the data is fake, you may want to think twice about getting on your next flight as information gathered and reported by the National Transporatation Safety Board is used for determining changes in policy, regulation and/or technology in safety of flight.

[SanderO]

If the NTSB data is impossible as you say it is.... and I believe you there are only two possible conclusions:

The data (speeds) were fabricated (a lie)

The data was accurate, but there were different planes which could achieve those speeds not the ones we were told. (a lie)

What air frames of that size... assuming that the videos are accurate... could make those speeds?

Is it more likely that the data was cooked or that the plane was not a 767?

The entire plane "thing" is a mystery.

No decent evidence of the hijackers boarding those flights
No serial number parts recovered
hardly any plane parts recovered
A wheel assembly which apparently was faked in photos on Rector Street
No video of the plane at the Pentagon
almost impossible flight path for the Pentagon plane
Bizarre speed data
no luggage etc recovered, but DNA was
Cell calls which were impossible made from the planes
Reports of a plane landing in Cleveland
WTC 2 hit in a manner which defies human controlled flight control

[rob balsamo]

What air frames of that size... assuming that the videos are accurate... could make those speeds?

I have no idea. Feel free to speculate if you wish. Pilots For 9/11 Truth does not speculate. We seek answers from those who supplied and are responsible for the data. The list grows.

Is it more likely that the data was cooked or that the plane was not a 767?

Again, you are asking us to speculate. If you know anything about P4T, you know, we don't speculate.

What we do know is that if the data is "cooked", it has MAJOR ramification for Flight Safety in general as we train by such data every six months to make flying more safe for the traveling public. Again, if one feels the data is "cooked", how much other data was "cooked" in which pilots, ATC, etc... have used to train?

No decent evidence of the hijackers boarding those flights
No serial number parts recovered
hardly any plane parts recovered
A wheel assembly which apparently was faked in photos on Rector Street
No video of the plane at the Pentagon
almost impossible flight path for the Pentagon plane
Bizarre speed data
no luggage etc recovered, but DNA was
Cell calls which were impossible made from the planes
Reports of a plane landing in Cleveland
WTC 2 hit in a manner which defies human controlled flight control

I agree SanderO, none of it adds up. That is why P4T and numerous other organizations filled with professionals questioning 9/11, exist. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[tnemelckram]

Hi Rob and SanderO!

Just wanted to say that it is a pleasure to watch two sound minds at work in the last ten or so posts.

SanderO for recognizing that "none of it adds up" and asking some damn good questions, but not expecting answers that will deliver the kind of satisfying certainty that small minds crave.

Rob for patiently and frankly giving answers that confirm that "none of it adds up" on the facts while acknowledging the limitations of those facts if you go into trying to find some certainty beyond that.

The bottom line is that the doubts justify a new and proper investigation. But if we don't get that, maybe it will be enough for the doubts to permanently discredit the OCT enough so that it doesn't become the version that historians accept in the long run.

[rob balsamo]

Just wanted to say that it is a pleasure to watch two sound minds at work in the last ten or so posts.

SanderO for recognizing that "none of it adds up" and asking some damn good questions, but not expecting answers that will deliver the kind of satisfying certainty that small minds crave.

Rob for patiently and frankly giving answers that confirm that "none of it adds up" on the facts while acknowledging the limitations of those facts if you go into trying to find some certainty beyond that.

Rational minds at work...

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[Johnny Angel]

What you may fail to relize is that these Hijackers chanted "Ali Mack Ulbar" (or something like that)
That means that God is great, (or something like that) therefore all laws of physics were nuetralized and the planes were able to be guided into the bldgs as easily as playing a video game in a vacuum.

Chanting the ""ali mack albar"" also helped the hijackers overcome the effects of alcohol from the night before while attending the strip club in Portland Oregon.

PS: Great Video..Thank you for your dedication. I guarentee you I will be using this information...

I see the point. There is no way to controll the Jets at high speed.

I have a Macgregor 26X MotorSailer. The Sailboat has a flater type hull and with a 50 hp outboard motor it can reach speeds of 18-20 mph with the motor. The Manual for the boat warns that you must pull up the centerboard and rudders if you are motoring over 6 mph, or you risk capsize. I was motoring along at about 15 mph when the rope to the centerboard broke, suddenly the boat started swaying back and forth uncontrollably. I cut the motor to regain controll, as I started to speed up over 6 mph i could not steer the boat in a straight line. I motored back to the dock at less than 6 mph thinking I had some serious hull problem.. When I was returning to the dock I realized the board was down because the controll rope was broken. (The"" Ali Mack Ulbar" chant didnt work for me..)

[Skeptik]

The phrase is "Allahu Akbar" which translates as "God is great"

[datars]

Rational minds at work...

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