4:07 P.m. Fri., A Big Bank Will Fail, Football begins Sat., come Mon. the failure is old news Options

[George Hayduke]

Well well well, Carl the fortune teller!

[Carl Bank]

15:56 hrs, Berlin time (4 minutes before the Paulson press conference)

Goldman Sachs: to be bailed out
Washington Mutual: to be let fallen by the wayside


just intuitively guessing and no idea what he's talking about: Carl (as usual)

You owe me 2 beers already, George

[Ricochet]

WaMu couldn't wait for Friday.

WARNING: GRAPHIC! Controlled Demolition IN PROGRESS -- WaMu implodes, JPMorgan devours carcass
As part of the most far-reaching and spectacular controlled demolition the world has ever seen, one of the biggest banks in America just collapsed as JPMorgan Chase meticulously picks the meat off its rotting carcass.

As the debate over a $700 billion bank bailout rages on in Washington, one of the nation's largest has collapsed under the weight of its enormous bad bets on the mortgage market.

Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. seized WaMu on Thursday, and then sold the thrift's banking assets to JPMorgan Chase Co. for $1.9 billion.

* * *

JPMorgan Chase said it was not acquiring any senior unsecured debt, subordinated debt, and preferred stock of WaMu's banks, or any assets or liabilities of the holding company, Washington Mutual Inc. JPMorgan also said it will not take on the lawsuits facing the holding company.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/8312

Seattle Tmes
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busi...758_wamu26.html

This post has been edited by Ricochet: Sep 26 2008, 11:09 AM

[George Hayduke]

Yup, Ricochet. It's the biggest bank failure in history.

[Sanders]

Picken' off the competition. They did this same thing in 1929.

[dMz]

So do we call it WaMorgan now? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

This BearStearns/WaMorgan ought to be one of the last left in the ring now though (2nd biggest I think I heard). Has anyone heard how many cents on the dollar that MorganCorp had to "spend?"

[Sanders]

Dunnoh, they bought it for 1.9 billion I think. Seems really cheap to me.

My eye is on Bank of America, and whether or not they will survive. Ironically, this is essentially the Vatican (B of A) against the Templars (Morgan-Chase & Goldman-Sachs) BTW. (A thousand years later). (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/whistle.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[Carl Bank]

Ironically, this is essentially the Vatican (B of A) against the Templars (Morgan-Chase & Goldman-Sachs) BTW. (A thousand years later).

This sounds like a very interesting paralell or analogy, Sandy!

Would you be so kind and elaborate on this a bit? The way you
explained the monetary doomsday szenario to Leslie might help you
as an example of what kind of explaination I'd love to read.

listening: Carl

[dMz]

My eye is on Bank of America, and whether or not they will survive. Ironically, this is essentially the Vatican (B of A) against the Templars (Morgan-Chase & Goldman-Sachs) BTW. (A thousand years later).

I heard this morning that WaMu's total holdings were worth $300B (Comcast news page I think- it was really early), so that would be 0.63 cents on the dollar there if so (or a 15,789 % return on the Morgan "investment" this week). Just WOW! Can't get odds like that in Vegas (even that green 00 )...

I'm sure there's a "chance" factor there too. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

While we're on the subject of BofA and Templars, let's discuss that logo since we're here.

https://www.bankofamerica.com/index.jsp

OK- first off, we've got a perversion of the US flag. Certain groups are BIG into their numerology, and (11+11+11 = ?). Jachin and Boaz? Then there's the triple "Twin Tower" symbolism.... I know that Sanders can speak "symbol," and I find the B of A thing just creepy myself.

EDIT: What exactly is "hiding in the open" here?

[Sanders]

Yeah, I can see the 3 "11"'s, the diamond configuration (Bavaria/Bauer), the twin pillars (I won't say twin towers, because I think the symbology is actually rooted in the legends of Samson/Herakles).

To be honest though, I'm all confused. That logo reeks of Masonry, yet B of A is supposedly a Vatican bank. Or, maybe there is no conflict at all? ... we're getting into deep territory.

Anyone have an opinion on Sherman Skolnick? Is he to be taken at his word?

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/popes1.html

[dMz]

Anyone have an opinion on Sherman Skolnick? Is he to be taken at his word?

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/popes1.html

Well Skolnick was certainly one of the only, the most tenacious, and the most vocal opponents/exposers of corrupt judges that ever walked the North American continent (and that is certainly a GOOD thing if you ask me). I've looked (unsuccessfully) for verification of his claim that Barack Obama is actually a British intelligence agent (that would certainly explain his meteoric rise to senatorial and pResidential? power IMHO).

Skolnick died a couple of years ago BTW.

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/S_284_S...ck_Obituary.htm

Unfortunately, we've stumbled into that whole Jesuit, "Vatican Assassins," Knights of Malta, KoC, Opus Dei nexus (and all the religious fervor/defensiveness that accompanies it).

Jesuits:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=9078

http://www.vaticanassassins.org/

You probably know that Bauer is now pronounced "Rothschild" too.

[Sanders]

You probably know that Bauer is now pronounced "Rothschild" too.

Yup (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Thanks for your take on Skolnick

[Sanders]

This sounds like a very interesting paralell or analogy, Sandy!

Would you be so kind and elaborate on this a bit? The way you
explained the monetary doomsday szenario to Leslie might help you
as an example of what kind of explaination I'd love to read.

listening: Carl

Hmmm ... that's a tall order! I don't think I can at the moment ... give me some time.

[Sanders]

NEXT!!!

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/100/story/217802.html

[Sanders]

This sounds like a very interesting paralell or analogy, Sandy!

Would you be so kind and elaborate on this a bit? The way you
explained the monetary doomsday szenario to Leslie might help you
as an example of what kind of explaination I'd love to read.

listening: Carl

OK, Carl, I'll take a stab at this. I have much less confidence discussing this than I even had discussing the derivatives market (which I'm no expert on - not by a long shot), even though I've spent much more time reading about medieval power struggles than the financial crisis ... but here goes.

Look at a list of the big US financial institutions. I won't differentiate between commercial banks and investment banks, because there really aren't any big investment banks left, Lehman, Bear Sterns and Merrill Lynch are gone and Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs are now essentially commercial banks.

Here's a list of banks - it's a couple of years old and is outdated, but still gives some idea -
http://www.onlinebankingreport.com/resources/100.html

You'll see Citicorp and Bank of America at the top, followed by JP Morgan Chase and banks like Wachovia and Wells Fargo. Note that Royal Bank of Scotland is a respectable sized US bank. I don't know where Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs fit in on the list (since up until recently they were simply investment banks), but they are both trying to beef up their assets at the moment.

Bank of America is the oddball on this list. It is a fairly young bank, started in California in the early 1900's. It's original founder is said to be Amadeo Giannini (B of A started out as the Bank of Italy in San Fransisco), and the Bank has often been reputed to be in large part funded, part-owned and/or connected to the Vatican.

It's not easy to document something like this, figuring out who the real controlling stockholders of a big bank like B of A are is assuredly no easier than figuring out who really owns the Federal Reserve. But one can google "Vatican" and "Bank of America", find all sorts of material on it, and judge for themselves.

Citicorp, on the other hand, is essentially a Rothschild bank - I can't point you to a link that documents that either, the Rothschilds always have done their business in the US through surrogates. Citibank grew out of First National City Bank of New York, which was set up by New York merchants including Moses Taylor, a protegé of John Jacob Astor, and was the first contributing bank to the Federal Reserve Bank in 1913. Essentially all the "City Banks" around the country were/are allegedly Rothschild assets, at least originally, including but not limited to National City Banks of Houston and Cleveland, the later of which being the bank from which Rothschild loans to J.D.Rockefeller were issued out of. The use of the word "City" in the various bank names apparently derives from "The City", or, City of London.

J.P. Morgan Chase is of course the result of a merger between Morgan banks and Chase Manhattan, which was the big New York Rockefeller bank. Both the Rockefeller and Morgan empires were financed with Rothschild money during the 2nd half of the 19th century.

The Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) deserves a word or two. The Drummond clan of Scotland descend from Hungarian royalty (i.e. George son of king Andrew) who accompanied Princess Margaret on her return to England from exile in the 11th century. Margaret married Malcom king of Scotland, and their children became the matriarchs and patriarchs of English and Scottish royalty respectively ... the Drummonds became hugely wealthy and set up Drummonds bank which was eventually absorbed by the Royal Bank of Scotland. RBS is in trouble right now and is expected to be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the 700 billion bailout bill presently under consideration. The Drummonds by the way were in charge of the English treasury during the American Revolution, and doled out the money for Hessian soldiers which wound up financing the Rothschild banking empire. (There is some evidence that the Drummonds and the Rothschilds may have conspired in this endeavor.)

Wachovia is about to be dissolved or absorbed, I can't speak to Wells Fargo. But as for Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs, in as far as they represent the wealth of Morgan, Rockefeller and Goldman interests, those institutions are the children of the banks directly involved in the founding of the Federal Reserve system. Lehman Bros. was allegedly a minor player in that as well, but they've been eaten up already. The Rothschilds were ultimately behind the Fed, so it's no surprise that Citibank rules the roost. But Bank of America is the odd man out. The other banks all share connections to the Federal Reserve, "old money", and various allied secret societies and tax-exempt foundations. Many Morgan and Chase banking execs over the generations by the way have been Skull and Bones members, and these big banks and their major stockholders have been at the center of the creation of not only the Fed, but the Council on Foreign Relations, the CIA, indeed the whole US power structure going back a hundred years. B of A on the other hand was not involved in the creation of the Fed (it barely existed back then), and its Catholic "nature" (excuse the brazen generality) stands in contrast to the Episcopalian (excuse again my boldness) nature of Eastern US "old money" and societies such as Skull and Bones.

Now look at the Templars of Europe. They were the modern world's first bankers, and grew out of French noble families of Frank, Viking and, in a way, "Jewish" lineage. I put that word in quotations because Makhir, a patriarch of much of French Nobility from the late 8th century was about as Jewish as the Templars were Christian - in reality they were all Kabbalists. It should come as no surprise that our word "Cabal" comes from Kabbalah. Kabbalah is often referred to as a Jewish sect, and indeed it may have officially become an offshoot of Judeaism, but it long predates that religion, it started in Chaldea (modern southern Iraq) and is very ancient. I'm of the opinion that Kabbalah formed the basis for mystical cults ranging from the Greek Cult of Kybelle to the heretic Cathars of France, the pagan perversions of King Solomon and those of the Templars (and Freemasons) to whom Solomon's temple (with all its mystical baggage) is central.

Trying to write this post, I find it very difficult to express all the parallels and connections I see. I see the Vikings, the Merovingians, Cathars and Templars, Rosicrucians and Freemasons, all as loosely belonging under one large Kabbalistic/pagan "umbrella" (I don't know how better to characterize it), which wrestled with the Holy Roman Church over centuries. It becomes confusing because the barbarian kingdoms came to don the trappings of Christianity and form alliances with the Church, but the medieval groups/forces that I am equating with the Rothschild/Morgan/Rockefeller collection of Fed connected banks in my analogy tended to align themselves in opposition to the power of Rome, and shared "barbarian" (Goth, Frank, Viking, Hun) historical roots, if not Kabbalistic tendencies. Beginning with the Merovingians they thrived wherever the church's power was least prescient ... France just after the fall of Rome, Spain and Scotland as the Church's power extended throughout Europe and England. (Bavaria is another subject in and of itself, I suspect the Church had been compromised by then to great degree and power shifted again to the Germanic Emperors, which I also put in the Kabbalah camp, even though they were outwardly Christian. This helps explain why Rosicrucianism and the Illuminati sprang up in that area IMO.)

The Merovingians were the first of the barbarians to convert to Christianity, but remained a major threat to the Church of Rome. I should stop and say that I believe the two "forces" we are dealing with here, you might think of them as cultural, religious, whatever, have their roots in ancient Egypt and the emergence of the then-heretic Solar Cult of the Pharaoh Akhenaten. Lately I've come to suspect that this solar cult greatly influenced the formation of the organized Christian Church as we know it, this is the underlying basis for some of the arguments forwarded in the movie Zeitgeist IMO.

Apart from the obvious fundamental religious/cultural differences between Rome and the Franks that came to rule Gaul, the Church was "Apostolic", that is, descent was ordained, popes and bishops were appointed, while the Merovingians were "messianic", i.e. descent was by blood. Rome finally toppled the Merovingians when a papal Mayor, Charles Martel, displaced them and took over France. But then the Carolingian line remarried into the Mervingian line and, ironically, mixed with Babylonian blood (Makhir, Jewish Exhilarch of Babylon). With Makhir came a surge of Kabbalah mysticism in the south of France and the Cathars were the result - the Church of Rome tried to have them all killed, but the bloodlines and the Kabbalistic teachings persisted, and when mixed a few centuries later with the Viking invaders produced the Templars, essentially.

It might seem strange to argue that the Templars were an opposing force to the Church, because they were in fact the pope's militia. But, they were in fact Kabbalists, albeit secretly. The truth of the matter is, the Church had been compromised. Innocent II, the pope during the early days of the Templars, was installed through the efforts of the patriarch of the Templars themselves, Bernard Clairvaux. The Templars, you know, were later purged by Philip IV of France, and many people think the Church had a lot to do with that - but the truth of the matter is Philip just acted out of greed, he owed them too much money. Rome basically stood by and let him carry out his executions. If you want to look deeper into where the affections of the French kings at the time lied, put them on the side of the Solar Cult - rather than the Church of Rome per-se, which had been infiltrated. I suspect there have been struggles within the Vatican between "solar-cultists" and "closet-kabbalists" (illuminatists) going back nearly a thousand years, but that's just me. Still, you can see a parallel yet again between these Medieval forces and the current banking heirarchy - for the Rothschilds and their companies are known to have managed large sums of Vatican money for years and have had plenty of dealings with B of A - one controversial source claims that ownership of the bank extended in part to the French Rothschilds in the 70's. Again, I'm not trying to document all of this stuff, that would be difficult. I'm just trying to explain why I see similarities between the current array of banks and the power struggles of Europe going back to the middle ages.

I may be off the mark in some of my conclusions, but I do see an ironic correllation between the current alignment of big banks and opposing forces of Europe going all the way back to the fall of Rome, complete with the collusion and infiltration that went on between the Vatican and various Kabbalist oriented groups throughout the centuries (Cathars, Templars, Freemasons, Illuminati, certain Royal Houses of England and Scotland, not to mention the Rothschilds themselves). You can even see the Skull and Bones symbol used both at Yale, in Freemasonry, and in Templar churches, you can find connections between the Rothschilds and Rosicrucianism/Illuminatism and Scottish bankers, between the Templars and Freemasonry and secret societies connected with the Federal Reserve and all its lackies. This is why I sort of shake my head when certain people go off about "jewish bankers". These dynasties and big banks (excluding B of A) do have something profoundly in common, but it's not Judaeism. (This is essentially the topic of my "dragon thread" by the way.)

Not a very concise explanation, but it's the best I can do. I just find it highly ironic - and maybe not coincidental.

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Edit: Sort of related, 'Dillon Read & Co., And the Aristocracy of Stock Profits' by Catherine Austin Fitts
http://www.dunwalke.com/1_Brady_Bush_Bechtel.htm

Warburg is the other piece to this puzzle, Paul Warburg basically wrote the Federal Reserve Act. I linked to the Dillon piece because Dillon Read was merged with S. G. Warburg & Co. in '97 to become Warburg Dillon Read. The Warburgs ran the oldest bank in Europe, even outdating the Rothschild banks. UBS is a Warburg bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_Warburg

[Carl Bank]

I just ordered a burger and got a 4-star 5-course-menue.

*burp*: Carl

[Sanders]

I hesitated to even try to explain why I saw an analogy between todays banks and medieval power struggles - because so much of it has to do with controversial assumptions and generalities. Sorry I couldn't be more brief. Anyway, it's just one point of view, for what it's worth.

[Carl Bank]

No, no, no, Sandy! It was a great read and extremly informative and enlightening,
if not to say 'illuminating', which fits better here. Absolutely no need to apologize.
I -and most propably not only I- apreciated your explaination very much and i wanted
to say "thank you for the effort your explaination entailed" or something that affect.

Back in the old days, you understood my comments better. Is this the way
you tell me that I'm still not welcome? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Thanks anyway, Sandy. Great read!


lives and learnes: Carl

[Sanders]

No, no, no, Sandy! It was a great read and extremly informative and enlightening,
if not to say 'illuminating', which fits better here. Absolutely no need to apologize.
I -and most propably not only I- apreciated your explaination very much and i wanted
to say "thank you for the effort your explaination entailed" or something that affect.

Back in the old days, you understood my comments better. Is this the way
you tell me that I'm still not welcome? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Thanks anyway, Sandy. Great read!


lives and learnes: Carl

Get out of here, you nut! (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I just get a little nervous posting this sort of stuff for anyone to read ... there are so many links in the thought process that are controversial and hard to document. Glad you liked it, and you are welcome - I mean that both ways. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif)

[George Hayduke]

You owe me 2 beers already, George

Fine. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif)

New rules, everybody: Gotta predict specific days and times henceforth. So you can't just openly declare that Banko'Amerika is going bust. You have to predict the day on which it is going to occur and if it is the day that it is going to occur and you want to knock you have to predict the time of the day that the news story on the failure will surface.