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R. I. P. - No Plane Theory, Jim Fetzer evading questions

onesliceshort
post May 2 2012, 10:56 PM
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I'm just going to jump straight in here. Basically Jim Fetzer has been evading these points I raised at "TruthandShadows" blogspot (820 posts later..)

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From Simon Shack’s FAQ section:

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The skeptics argue that “too many videos of the airplane were captured, therefore all cannot be fake …” Too many indeed: there are a simply ludicrous amount of “lucky” shots. In fact, the sheer amount of existing ‘airplane’ images is grossly absurd in itself: We now have more than 45 “amateur videos” (some of which were released – inexplicably – as late as June 2008!). We also have at least 10 still pictures depicting alleged “Flight 175” “in its very last second of flight” 


First off, the "lucky shots" description is ludicrous because thousands of New Yorkers were focused on this area after the strike on Tower 1.

According to the NPT accusations, that’s 55 people who allegedly, knowingly allowed their names to be publically used as authors of totally manipulated footage, or altered the footage themselves. 55 people, alleged “sleepers”, who “know” exactly what happened on 9/11 in Manhattan. That the towers were blown up by internal explosives and that a hologram was used to fool on the ground witnesses. 

That’s a lot of loose ends.





Please also check the above collection of still images for debris falling from the impact side of the facade.

I agree that certain footage has been edited, withheld, censored or have had their resolution purposely lessened. The Naudet second tower impact has clearly been edited, one Citgo camera was physically removed, the "gatecam" footage which was capable of reading registrations on vehicles has been purposely reuploaded (at least twice) to make the footage useless etc. 

But to insinuate that an actual army of ops actually added an aircraft to footage caught? And adding them perfectly to match the flightpath?



So how can people who allege that all footage is a complete fabrication and that it's been in the perps'  hands literally from day one, base any scientific claims on observations made in them??

Even the claim that no aircraft debris was seen falling from the impact side doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Pause and play the impact seen in the following video. Slowmo if you can.



Then there's this:



I don't know if there is any footage of the base of that area, but the collapse of the tower also leaves the debris claim open to obfuscation.

We have to remember that this aircraft was allegedly travelling at over 700 feet per second. Over 4 times its own length travelled in one second as it impacted the facade.

The length of the fuselage from the nose to the wings is 60ft. The aircraft's recorded speed would cover that 60ft distance in less than a tenth of a second.

When the 60ft of fuselage appears to penetrate the facade, this could be down to optical illusion. The event was over in one tenth of a second.

Here's a video that's as close as I could find to the collision of a hard steel object (steel sled) against a bulky object such as the fuselage. A car.

Normal speed



Slow motion (pay attention to the actual collision at the beginning of the video)



See how the car appears to "melt" or "disappear"? The actual interaction was over in a fraction of a second.
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post May 4 2012, 10:19 PM
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TM, I think the insinuation about Snowcrash and the others is pretty unfair and insulting.

As Rob just pointed out, if you yourself acknowledge that planes were used in Manhattan, what's the problem?
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ May 3 2012, 01:19 AM) *
As Rob just pointed out, if you yourself acknowledge that planes were used in Manhattan, what's the problem?



Well, that's exactly the point, OSS. Both friend and foe around the world, including you and Rob, acknowledge
the presence of planes at 9/11-01.

Therefore NPT could NEVER have been a term formulated in connection and in context with the above undeniable
fact. Thus NPT must initially have been formulated for other reasons and purposes; and as we're all perfectly
aware of, indeed it was.
It was solely and exclusively used as a "tool or weapon" by the 'foes' and 'detractors' to denigrate, abuse, mock,
ridicule, etc., not only CIT and P4T, but also their supporters. (You know the story, so no need for more 'details').

My worry is this: By declaring NPT for "dead", for whatever reason, this could be seen as if P4T are capitulating to
the 'detractors' and 'professional disinformants' and thereby playing into their hands, as these people have probably
been aiming for exactly this outcome, this 'death', from the very start.

Talking about "death" in the context we're discussing, implies a certain 'finality' where any kind of 'resurrection'
would be out of the question.
Therefore, killing off NPT for good would of course forever prevent the 'T' in NPT being able one day to undergo a
metamorphosis in peoples mind by changing it into another 'T', but then this time instead, standing for the much
more appropriate name of NP'T', 'T' = Truth!
(As IT is of course already with regards to the pentagon and Shanksville, but still remains to be seen at WTC. That
is yet to come)!

I fear that declaring "the death" of NPT, will be used with vicious glee and almost 'orgasmic rapture' by the mob of
'detractors', not only against CIT, but also against P4T. These "people" could now put a 'spin' on the whole thing.
They obviously couldn't give a 'rat's arse' about doing so. They wouldn't give a damn, that the intentions from you
and Rob were entirely different - this would simply be ignored.
(They could of course claim that by you and Rob declaring NPT "dead", you're by default (inadvertently) "admitting"
that a plane must have impacted both pentagon and Shanksville)!

I fear that the promulgation of this "decree" could see the end of CIT and P4T, and all the hard work they have put
into this over the years, and it all could come to nought. Fear the same could happen to Di Maggio and Killtown.

Hope you'll be able to allay my fears and apprehensions of course, by coming up with some very good reasons (that
seems to escape me at the moment) why i didn't need to worry so much.
Needless to say, that my worries also extend to the heated debate caused by "consensus 9/11"!

Peace to the world

Cheers

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