Deliberate Misrepresentation of Evidence, Videos carefully crafted to be easily debunked Options

[painter]

Interesting stuff from ghenghis, Natasha. Part of the blank paper guy getting away with it is "incredulity". It is "incredible" that anyone would even attempt this, much less succeed. (And, of course, this video presentation is edited so we do not see instances where the ruse didn't work.) I work retail and I know that if someone tried that on me I would 'notice'; the question is, would this 'noticing' rise above the pre-conscious level, overcoming the "incredulity" factor, and be reflected back. I also encounter unintentional misdirection from customers all the time. I'll be runing their credit card through the machine and they start asking me questions. I refuse to even acknowledge them until I've finished focusing on the numbers. In any case it does look as if the "plane hit the building" story was reinforced from the get-go. This is easy enough to do. You insert your message into the meme stream and, if accepted, as we see it being accepted here, it is then passed on as if it is fact. One assumes the credibility of the meme source especially if they have the bearing of 'authority' (SOURCE: I saw it. You didn't. I know. You don't. RECEIVER: You saw it. I didn't. You know. I don't = I accept your meme and broadcast it on as true). Its the old Jedi mind trick, "These are not the droids you're looking for."

This is why I try not to accept anything just because someone 'authoritative' says so. Not saying I succeed at that, but I do try to remember to question. This is also another reason why I try to not draw conclusions about anything too quickly -- unless verifiable evidence is compelling in some way.

I'm having a related problem to your saying that 9/11 truth is a psy-operation and was one from the beginning. Not saying you are wrong -- it is something that has been discussed from the beginning (I was there) and we certainly saw evidence of it from the beginning. So I think it is a real possibility and more like a probability.

However, this creates a problem because if we accept that, accept that we, ourselves, are operating from a meme stream that is being influenced -- then all this discussion and disagreement must be a part of that meme stream. To me, this weakens any social force that 9/11 truth could conceivably have and, worse, puts it into the category of "the best way to thwart a revolution is to lead it."

Even if what you say is true, where does that leave us? How do we 'wake up' from the hypnosis and slip out of being part of the psy-op 'meme stream'? OR, is all this just a distraction to keep us glued to our computers and not doing anything or not even having any idea what to do?

I'm going to leave all this for now. I have a lot of work to do. I'll pop in now and then in odd moments but I need to get my head out of this 'weird' and just focus on my art. That is where I confront directly the question of my participation in this world -- who I am, what I am, what is real amidst the artifice which is 'social reality'.

What do we want? What kind of world do we want? How can we get there from here? I have my own understanding of that question as indicated in the "skepticism" quote in a post above.

Like I said in another post somewhere, I'm not expecting to survive all of this. In fact, to quote Bilbo Baggins, I plan not to.

[Natasha]

Excellent post painter. It is too big to quote all of it, and I can't decide which part I like best. I am just going to share my thoughts, or impression, that I now have after reading it.

To begin, I hope you excuse me, for speaking with conviction, about those things I am convinced of. I am having a hard time refraining from that. I am trying though. I don't expect anyone here to accept what I say, just because, I speak with conviction. Really, I would be more than a little uncomfortable, if anybody did. I can rub elbows with thoughtless cattle anywhere.

I don't account credibility to others, because of their education or position in life, and to me "the authorities" are, whoever has the guns and/or can do me real harm, badges or not. I can be wary and fear such, and yet that is not respect in my lexicon. You say you are a scientist, a doctor, etc? So was Mengella. Oh, you are a, "police detective". B) So was Mark Furman. A physicist huh? So is Stanton Friedman, and my problem with him isn't his belief in UFOs. I rather like J. Allen Hynec. What? That brilliant man on the forum is a "mere" retail sales clerk? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Man is 'he' ever underemployed.

Even real solid proof, does not exempt something from further scrutiny, in my book, and I reserve the right to change my 'mind'. I believe almost everything, is a temporal phenomenon 'composed of' probability, and even the 'law' of gravity is suspect to special exemptions. Not kidding even a little bit.

I did not know that others think , suspect, theorize, or have any such, that the 911 truth movement is a psychological operation. I thought I figured that one out, and yet I am not surprised that others have come to this conclusion also. Can you give me a link to a discussion about that. The older the better too.

Thanks again painter. You usually make me think. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/yes1.gif)


PS

I did not think that you meant to imply that anything is possible. I believe the Vajrayāna Madhyamika is right about emotion being more a densely compact form of thought, at least in part. I think that, an unexamined i.e. unconscious, hosting of ambiguity within, 'can' result in ambivalence, and I think that is what has happened to people here in the uS (sic). I think TV has a lot to do with that also. I am not saying it is fact now. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Natasha]

Admin: Please don't get mad at me for copying this post from another thread. It is of such extreme relevance I just must have it here.

The furious controversy begun by BSreg Fred, over the exact point the Hezarkhania 'ghost plane' vid was shot from, or as "Fred" says, could not have been shot from, .... has another 'new twist'.


The following is a cut and paste from Cnn Fake Footage: More Proof For The Hard Headed

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impossible to get the lines to reveal a position? 

I think we all agree: theodolites to battery park.

Theodolite on a boat... sh*t.

Yes, it'd be great if someone went out there and took some pictures. The sooner the better, the Bankers Trust Building is squeduled for demolition.

Um, The building caught fire today.

I label it a suspicious fire.

One: cause unknown.

Two: Owners forced into expensive take-down because of environmental laws.

Three: Fights over who was to bear the costs.

Four: Deutsche Bank, anyway, somehow implicated in the plot line.

Five: Fire roaring much more vigourously than at the Trade Towers yet no collapse.

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Six: Immanent Collapse announced.

Seven: If the building is gone and we prove anything with that buildings dimensions or sight-lines to it, etc. The instigators can just claim "photo fakery"?

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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Well ... isn't ...'that'... something.

sigh

What a coinkydink.

What a LUCKY break for BSreg Fred huh?

Would it, be reasonable, to wonder if the CIA is reading all the many forums going bonkers on this subject?

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This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 19 2007, 09:52 PM

[Natasha]

From NEWSDAY.COM

Associated Press: 2 firefighters die in 7-alarm fire at skyscraper near ground zero


The building that burned, is the former Deutsche Bank office building, which is essential to define the 'line of sight' from the Ferry to the WTC, and it is now being used by 911 investigators of every stripe, to settle the controversy begun by, you guessed it, BSreg Fred, about where the Hezarkhania 'ghost plane' video was really shot from.

[painter]

What a coinkydink.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/teach.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/to_keep_order.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wow.gif)

PS, I edited this post, above, to include the "Good Shepherd" quotes:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=9825347

[Natasha]

BSreg Fred, is going bonkers over on the PI forum, doing his level best to discredit Factfinder General.

Please see CNN Ghostplane Debunking: AWAITING OP EDIT to comply with forum rules

Fred is accusing FFG, of defending the NIST report, the Official Story, and everything else he can think of.

The admin there has, wisely refrained, from banning Fred as they normally would, and I am very glad because FOR ONCE I would like to Fred unable to use the old "they banned me" escape clause, when he is backed up against the wall.

Facfinder General said, in response to Fred's false accusations, "My motive in presenting my OP was to protect the integrity of NPT. What is the motive behind your posts, bsregistration?"

I can say the very same.

I am not so sure, I would have thought, to ask Fred such a great question though. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/laughing1.gif)

I am VERY glad, that I am not alone, and I would dearly love to get an email from Factfinder General.

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 19 2007, 10:56 PM

[Natasha]

What a coinkydink.

(IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/teach.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/to_keep_order.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wow.gif)

PS, I edited this post, above, to include the "Good Shepherd" quotes:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum...dpost&p=9825347

Thank you painter. This is very very good stuff.


"It's vital to penetrate the enemy's intelligence services. Push them into an unreal world, as it were."

"The very qualities that make a good intelligence officer, a suspicious mind, a love of complexity and detail, are the very qualities of someone you'll be observing."

"The mental facility to detect conspiracies and betrayal are the same qualities most likely to corrode natural judgement."

"Everything that seems clear is bent. And everything that seems bent is clear. Trapped in reflections, you must learn to recognize when a lie masquerades as the truth, and then deal with it efficiently, dispassionately."



"The mental facility to detect conspiracies and betrayal are the same qualities most likely to corrode natural judgement."

Yes, the FOG OF WAR such is called, and I can only rely upon Jesus for help with such. It is His Spirit who guides and protects me, and it is He who leads me.

This post has been edited by Natasha: Aug 20 2007, 12:32 AM

[grizz]

Jesus?

[Natasha]

Jesus?

YES ... that is correct .... Jesus.

This is not the topic of this thread however.

[grizz]

Sorry, but I'm a secular person. I do appreciate the alliance for truth between the faithful and the faithless. But still I am confused by those who still believe in all that.

[Natasha]

Sorry, but I'm a secular person.  I do appreciate the alliance for truth between the faithful and the faithless.  But still I am confused by those who still believe in all that.

Thank you for being honest and everything, but could we please stay on topic? Please?

[Natasha]

ahem

So what on earth ever got me to start wondering if the 911 movement.org forum is really a counter intelligence operation of some kind?

It is my belief, that there have been enough odd coincidences involving Rick Siegel, to cause anyone, truly concerned with discovering the truth, to look deeper into this.

Sidley Austin Brown & Wood LLP, whom Siegel worked for at the time, moved everything out of their WTC office just before 911. That is quite a coincidence. Rick Siegel also "just happened" to be all set up, that fateful morning, safely across the river in Hoboken in order to film 911. That is another very interesting coincidence.

Here are a few more interesting coincidences.

At the beginning of his movie 911 Eyewitness, Siegel displays his WTC security passes, to two very powerful high end firms in the WTC.

(IMG:http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/2051148209.jpg)

Did Siegel actually 'want' people to, at some point, begin to wonder and associate his name with these high end business rumored to have CIA and big oil connections? Why would he do that though? I mean has Siegel ever done anything to make NPCT and MSM complicity theorists look bad?

Let us review.

Just as September Clues began to go viral, a reputed 911 widow was attacked on Siegel's NPT blog by "Amanda Reckonwith", and Siegel exacerbated that disastrous PR move, by sending several nasty emails to John Albanese.

Then Siegel made a transparent, half hearted, attempt to cover all this up, and the next thing you know "somebody" contacted a NY POST columnist, who just happens to be a friend of Siegel's, who then wrote the NPT damning 9/11 SKEPTICS' LUNATIC FRINGE TARGETS VICTIM'S WIDOW article which appeared in the freaking NY POST! I was, and indeed still am, very upset about that.

True to form, Siegel then goes on FOX Radio and claims that he is not in the 911 Truth movement, but he was only "latched onto" by the conspiracy nuts because of his 911 Eyewitness movie, and to top it all off he also distanced himself, by a thousand miles, from Nico Haupt and the NPT crowd.


Odd behavior indeed, for a man who had previously falsely accused John Albanese, of supposedly having said that he was not part of the 911 movement during his Fox TV News interview. John Albanese had said no such thing however, and I made this clear on the 911 movement forum, by posting the original footage of the Albanese interview.

Here is that video.

John Albanese on foxnews

Here is the version that Rick Siegel had selectively cut to misrepresent the truth.

Rick Siegel's Youtube video attack on John Albanese


At this point I began urging Killtown, and the rest of them at "Slicks" 911 movement forum, to distance themselves from Siegel because of how these things could damage the NPT movement, and for my trouble I was personally attacked by "Slick", numerous times and marginalized by Killtown. My posts were deleted and moved around, and I was harassed and baited by both Slick and Killtown.

Now strangely after a week of this, Siegel suddenly picks a dramatic public fight with Killtown on his NPT blog, which ended with him deleting Killtown's posts and also denouncing Fred for questioning that. Now isn't that interesting? At the very least the timing is quite suspicious. If you don't believe me, I can show you my copies of the "911 movement forum", from that period. Once again bear in mind, that all of this occurred right out in public, just as September Clues began to go viral. Just a coincidence surely.

Consider how Rick Siegel has long hosted the NPT movement, bus barn, the 9/11 Researchers Blog System. Yet could he have done any more, to sabotage them, if he were being paid to? Coincidences being what they are, the coinciding of seemingly unrelated events, one is left to sort through them to determine if they really are truly unrelated.

Consider also how "Killtown and company" responded to my efforts, to head off Siegel's latest horrendous NPT killing PR debacle, by banning me from their "free speech" 911 movement forum. The "free speech" aspect of which, they so often brag of when comparing their forum to supposed non free speech forums like Pilots, Loose Change, and all other forums really.

So is Siegel a lone COINTELPRO OP, sabotaging the TV Fakery NPT researchers, "stealthily" from the inside? Well now certainly not stealthily, and to me it now seems obvious, that not alone either. Could it be that the entire visible, orthodox, NPT sub-movement 'now' at the 911 movement forum, is really a COINTELPRO operation maintained solely to discredit evidence of NPC and MSM complicity?

Limited hangouts for limited truth, or even a whole lot of truth, presented so badly with such transparent hypocrisy, almost seems tailor made to send everybody off the trail now doesn't it?

[Natasha]

Thank you painter. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

and also.


Dear Carey,

I really hope you do not allow NPT discussions to be forbidden here.

Please, consider this, yet once again.

A free society not only allows free speech, it upholds and defends it, even holding it as a cherished virtue which sets free societies apart from all others.

What today is considered false by common knowledge, and rejected as heresy within science, as if science were a religious orthodoxy, does not but degrade common knowledge to be merely but common, and science itself to mere dogma.

Please do not allow such a grave error to degrade this august body.

Yours

Natasha

[Cary]

Dear Carey,

I really hope you do not allow NPT discussions to be forbidden here.

Please, consider this, yet once again.

A free society not only allows free speech, it upholds and defends it, even holding it as a cherished virtue which sets free societies apart from all others.

What today is considered false by common knowledge, and rejected as heresy within science, as if science were a religious orthodoxy, does not but degrade common knowledge to be merely but common, and science itself to mere dogma.

Please do not allow such a grave error to degrade this august body.

Yours

Natasha

Well, Ms. Natasha it's not to me alone to allow/disallow NPT discussions here. What the staff is considering, given the recent attacks by some of the knuckleheads from that camp, is that NPT discussions are not allowed without some new evidence to support or refute the NPT theory.

I understand all about free speech, but given the attacks of the likes of Fred, Dale Connor, etc., we're being cautious and "wary." Let me also add that you have been exemplary in your NPT posting here. You present the evidence you have with some assessments about that. That we have no problem with. But goobers that come here to disrupt, antagonize and fight will be given the bum's rush to the ban door in short order.

I also appreciate the paradigm shifts that have occurred in several fields of scientific, economic and other fields of study. Yes, those who see a more accurate interpretation in the beginning are seen as the kooks, crackpots and conspiracy nuts before the acceptance by the general populace takes place.

We are not trying to put you or any other serious researcher "in the corner" here. Just trying to keep the bozos and trouble makers from dirtying up the place. Hope this reassures you of your concerns.

Cary (no "e")

[Natasha]

Dear Carey,

I really hope you do not allow NPT discussions to be forbidden here.

Please, consider this, yet once again.

A free society not only allows free speech, it upholds and defends it, even holding it as a cherished virtue which sets free societies apart from all others.

What today is considered false by common knowledge, and rejected as heresy within science, as if science were a religious orthodoxy, does not but degrade common knowledge to be merely but common, and science itself to mere dogma.

Please do not allow such a grave error to degrade this august body.

Yours

Natasha

Well, Ms. Natasha it's not to me alone to allow/disallow NPT discussions here. What the staff is considering, given the recent attacks by some of the knuckleheads from that camp, is that NPT discussions are not allowed without some new evidence to support or refute the NPT theory.

I understand all about free speech, but given the attacks of the likes of Fred, Dale Connor, etc., we're being cautious and "wary." Let me also add that you have been exemplary in your NPT posting here. You present the evidence you have with some assessments about that. That we have no problem with. But goobers that come here to disrupt, antagonize and fight will be given the bum's rush to the ban door in short order.

I also appreciate the paradigm shifts that have occurred in several fields of scientific, economic and other fields of study. Yes, those who see a more accurate interpretation in the beginning are seen as the kooks, crackpots and conspiracy nuts before the acceptance by the general populace takes place.

We are not trying to put you or any other serious researcher "in the corner" here. Just trying to keep the bozos and trouble makers from dirtying up the place. Hope this reassures you of your concerns.

Cary (no "e")

Hi Cary, (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (no e this tim) sorry I got carried away. I mean time.


I so totally sympathize. As I have been saying throughout this thread. It seems obvious to me that this is exactly what they intended. Those agent provocateurs, actually want to bury NPT and media complicity, and I beg of you all to not let them succeed.

I could just weep right now, on the edge of it really, because there is far more at stake here than merely proving a point. The videos are the only remaining, solid evidence of that day on 911, and so if I may repeat myself.

If we can prove the videos are fake, this would serve to cause people to disconnect, from the very propaganda weapon used to get us into war after war after war, and which is used by the same elements of the government behind this event to excuse themselves and even to hide their evil deeds. I speak of the TV and the nWO media mouthpiece which uses it, against us, as a psychological weapon of information warfare.

If we could do that, we could even stop them cold, from using the TV media weapon to pull off the next 911.

Thank you so much Cary for your kind words to me. I am deeply touched by them. I also wish to thank painter, for being a relentless logician, and forcing me to think and hone my abilities. I so value both of you, and I mean that very sincerely.

Yours

Natasha

[Cary]

If we can prove the videos are fake, this would serve to cause people to disconnect, from the very propaganda weapon used to get us into war after war after war, and which is used by the same elements of the government behind this event to excuse themselves and even to hide their evil deeds. I speak of the TV and the nWO media mouthpiece which uses it, against us, as a psychological weapon of information warfare.

If we could do that, we could even stop them cold, from using the TV media weapon to pull off the next 911.

Kiddo, you prove the videos are fake and I'm all behind you. I'm not technically versed to be able to speak intelligently on the subject beyond some cursory commentary. Glad you're here Natasha. I appreciate your passion for 9/11 truth.

[Natasha]

Hi Cary, (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I am not technically well versed either. Please do join in the discussion though. I for one have found your input very valuable.


AND NOW A WORD FROM MY SPONSOR



SPY TALK and OREO Cookies

Recently, I wrote about how Fred, incorporated an OREO cookie placement add in one of his latest videos. Sadly that was also the high point, because now in retrospect, the rest of the video is just meaningless filler.

Watch Fred's video with OREO cookie placement add.

I wrote also, of how shocked I was upon viewing it, because to me it looked like an especially blatent atempt to taint NPT. Then it dawned on me. There may be more to this.

I mentioned also that I found this interesting reference to the word "OREO" on dictionary.org.

Acronym ...... Meaning

OREO: Other Real Estate Owned.
OREO: Ok to Release per Executive Order.


So, once again, welcome to "Spy Talk"!


I said also, that spies have a long history, of implanting code words in print newspaper and magazine adds, to signal other OPs, regarding impending operations. Well, they also used personal ads often, and so why not Youtube? OK OK I didn't make it clear then at the time I admit.

OREO: Other Real Estate Owned.
OREO: Ok to Release per Executive Order.


Was that some kind of a signal of from Fred?


So now another odd coincidence has revealed itself, revolving around the Rick Siegel 9/11 researchers 911movement.org operation, of which Fred is a significant part.

The former Deutsche Bank office building in NYC, is essential to define the 'line of sight' from the Ferry to the WTC. It is now being used by 911 investigators, of every stripe, to settle the controversy begun by BSreg Fred, about where the Hezarkhani 'ghost plane' video was really shot from, or as Fred claims, could not have been shot from.

On Sunday August 19th, that very building caught fire, and it is already scheduled for demolition supposedly because of EPA concerns. As of early Monday, 14 floors, had already been removed. My goodness, does the FED step in this fast, usually?


OREO: Other Real Estate Owned.
OREO: Ok to Release per Executive Order.


Oreos, Spies, and Iran War Propaganda.


I wrote the following, on August 19th, and I did not know what was taking place in NYC.

The CIA is trying to establish, by "subtly" anchoring the idea, that the Hezarkhani 'ghost plane' video is totally fake, buildings and all. The CIA is also building up a sh*t storm of allegations about Hezarkhani's supposed Iranian terrorists connections, while at the same time, implicating Carmen Taylor who took matching pics on 9/11.

Both Hezarkhani and Carmen Taylor are likely CIA assets, who are now being set up as patsies, as agency assets so often are. The CIA is helping the nWO make a case for WAR on IRAN.

The BSreg Fred generated disinfo and controversy, now surrounding the Hezarkhani video and Carmen Taylor's pictures, are apparently somehow an essential part of this operation. Perhaps, even important enough, for them to burn down the former Deutsche Bank office building in NYC.


Please watch these two brief videos. I believe Fred's latest video is a 'build up' upon the CIA propaganda video he earlier narrated, which claims that Hezarkhani supports a terrorist group in IRAN. Just wait and see, how this operation in progress, will yield results enabling the next Figurehead In Chief to make a case for on Iran.

IRAN WAR propaganda video narrated by BSreg Fred.

Fred's latest video: Shock and Awe: CNN Fake is not Real

By the way. I predicted, during the 2004 presidential primary, that Rudy Giuliani would be the next US President, and yes I said that God told me so. I agree it looks like a real long shot right now. I promise you that will change though. For the record. No way do I want him as Figurehead In Chief.

I wonder how all of this ties into the 2008 election? Jesus tells me that it does. Just stayin batshit crazy, and on top things, for all you good folks. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[painter]

<s>
Please watch these two brief videos. I believe Fred's latest video is a 'build up' upon the CIA propaganda video he earlier narrated, which claims that Hezarkhani supports a terrorist group in IRAN. Just wait and see, how this operation in progress, will yield results enabling the next Figurehead In Chief to make a case for WAR on Iran.
<s>

Fred/bsregestratioin repeats himself over and over and over again. Because the audio is different, because he couldn't find the location from which the video was taken, because the NIST says it was taken on the ground -- this PROVES that the video is "FAKE". Hmm hmm hmm. Then he goes on to say that those drawing lines on jpgs are defending the role of the media on 9/11 and not wanting to look at FCS, etc., etc.

f*ck YOU FRED.

PROOF consists of a preponderance of evidence that leads to a reasonable conclusion. That an audio track is used by one video editor and not another does not prove that a video is CGI. It is possible, not conclusive. That NIST says the video was taken from the ground -- I'm even AMAZED that you would bring that into your argument. Since when do you agree in any way with what NIST has to say? They are a lying government agency whose obvious function is to HIDE THE TRUTH. Hey! IS FRED PROTECTING NIST AND GIVING THEM CREDIBILITY??? <<<Example of a bull sh*t argument which is what all of Fred's "arguments" are. Just BS. Yeah, we've been drawing lines on jpgs because we're not in NY and what we found was fairly precise, looks to me like. HEY FRED, when you went out on the ferry to test that as a possible location -- did you take any video??? Did you try and find the exact spot from the ferry top deck? Did you REALLY?? Show us the video. And, Fred, did you take into account that trees GROW? Just curious because you never mention it. How odd that you don't. Maybe Fred is against trees!! That's it, Fred hates trees and wants us to think they never grow. MAYBE THE TREES ARE ARTIFICIAL!!!

Now, moving on to this INSULT that we DEFEND the f*cking corporate media or that we don't want to look at the role of the media in 9/11 or FCS -- you know what, Fred. I believe that YOU are the one who is trying to obscure the role of the media and FCS by putting out a CLAIM which has NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED but which you say IS substantiated by your shoddy logic and half-assed investigating. SO, Fred, you BURY THE BONE, you take the thing that is VERY VERY VERY important -- the very thing you name, FCS, media, military control of media -- and wrap it up in BULL sh*t CLAIMS that no one can take seriously and then ATTACK AND TELL LIES about those who try to show that that specific CLAIM has NOT been SUBSTANTIATED by the sloppy logic and evidence you provide. For you, Fred, it is all BLAME BLAME BLAME. Set up strawmen to knock down because your SPECIFIC claim is NOT substantiated. But of course you SAY it is like about a DOZEN times in your f*cking video. Look into my video! YOU are getting Sleepy!! YOU will believe ANYTHING I tell you over and over and over again. I will sell you BULL sh*t wrapped around DIAMONDS so that you'll think the DIAMONDS are BULL sh*t too.

FRED -- if you are sincere then you will make an educational video that talks SOLELY about FCS and how the media broadcast flow CAN be interrupted by the military -- how they CAN generate on-the-fly CGI fakery. Full Spectrum Domenance using the corporate media to force people to WITNESS things that MAY (underscore MAY) not be true! Leave out all the rest of the BULL sh*t and just educate us about the FACTS and STOP insulting and lying about the rest of us out here who are doing the best we can with what we've got. OK?

FRED, if you don't do this then I'm going to have to agree with Natasha that YOU ARE AN AGENT who is wrapping TRUTH up in a DISINGENIOUS package in such a way that rational people WILL NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Just educate us about FCS and manipulated media and leave the rest of the UNSUBSTANTIATED CRAP out of it. Oh, and GET OVER YOURSELF! You are so f*cking arrogant -- like YOU OWN the god damned truth -- the MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH that none of the rest of us are intelligent enough to grasp. Arrogant son of a rat bastard. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blech.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blech.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blech.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif)

Note: I'm quite aware that if even some part of the above was posted in response to a member of this forum I would have to be given a warning. So, guess what! I'm going to give MYSELF a warning!

PAINTER: Don't you ever ever ever insult a member of this forum like that again!!!

painter: "Oh, but please, sir! FRED/bsregestration IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM! His slimy ass crack isn't ALLOWED to post here!"

PAINTER: Well, then, I'll only give you ONE warning this time. But don't let it happen again in this forum. You should know better than that!!! Clean up your act or next time, you'll get (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/banned1.gif)

painter: (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/crybaby2.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/truce.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/truce.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)

[Natasha]

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Please watch these two brief videos. I believe Fred's latest video is a 'build up' upon the CIA propaganda video he earlier narrated, which claims that Hezarkhani supports a terrorist group in IRAN. Just wait and see, how this operation in progress, will yield results enabling the next Figurehead In Chief to make a case for WAR on Iran.
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Fred/bsregestratioin repeats himself over and over and over again. Because the audio is different, because he couldn't find the location from which the video was taken, because the NIST says it was taken on the ground -- this PROVES that the video is "FAKE". Hmm hmm hmm. Then he goes on to say that those drawing lines on jpgs are defending the role of the media on 9/11 and not wanting to look at FCS, etc., etc.

f*ck YOU FRED.

PROOF consists of a preponderance of evidence that leads to a reasonable conclusion. That an audio track is used by one video editor and not another does not prove that a video is CGI. It is possible, not conclusive. That NIST says the video was taken from the ground -- I'm even AMAZED that you would bring that into your argument. Since when do you agree in any way with what NIST has to say? They are a lying government agency whose obvious function is to HIDE THE TRUTH. Hey! IS FRED PROTECTING NIST AND GIVING THEM CREDIBILITY??? <<<Example of a bull sh*t argument which is what all of Fred's "arguments" are. Just BS. Yeah, we've been drawing lines on jpgs because we're not in NY and what we found was fairly precise, looks to me like. HEY FRED, when you went out on the ferry to test that as a possible location -- did you take any video??? Did you try and find the exact spot from the ferry top deck? Did you REALLY?? Show us the video. And, Fred, did you take into account that trees GROW? Just curious because you never mention it. How odd that you don't. Maybe Fred is against trees!! That's it, Fred hates trees and wants us to think they never grow. MAYBE THE TREES ARE ARTIFICIAL!!!

Now, moving on to this INSULT that we DEFEND the f*cking corporate media or that we don't want to look at the role of the media in 9/11 or FCS -- you know what, Fred. I believe that YOU are the one who is trying to obscure the role of the media and FCS by putting out a CLAIM which has NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIATED but which you say IS substantiated by your shoddy logic and half-assed investigating. SO, Fred, you BURY THE BONE, you take the thing that is VERY VERY VERY important -- the very thing you name, FCS, media, military control of media -- and wrap it up in BULL sh*t CLAIMS that no one can take seriously and then ATTACK AND TELL LIES about those who try to show that that specific CLAIM has NOT been SUBSTANTIATED by the sloppy logic and evidence you provide. For you, Fred, it is all BLAME BLAME BLAME. Set up strawmen to knock down because your SPECIFIC claim is NOT substantiated. But of course you SAY it is like about a DOZEN times in your f*cking video. Look into my video! YOU are getting Sleepy!! YOU will believe ANYTHING I tell you over and over and over again. I will sell you BULL sh*t wrapped around DIAMONDS so that you'll think the DIAMONDS are BULL sh*t too.

FRED -- if you are sincere then you will make an educational video that talks SOLELY about FCS and how the media broadcast flow CAN be interrupted by the military -- how they CAN generate on-the-fly CGI fakery. Full Spectrum Domenance using the corporate media to force people to WITNESS things that MAY (underscore MAY) not be true! Leave out all the rest of the BULL sh*t and just educate us about the FACTS and STOP insulting and lying about the rest of us out here who are doing the best we can with what we've got. OK?

FRED, if you don't do this then I'm going to have to agree with Natasha that YOU ARE AN AGENT who is wrapping TRUTH up in a DISINGENIOUS package in such a way that rational people WILL NOT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Just educate us about FCS and manipulated media and leave the rest of the UNSUBSTANTIATED CRAP out of it. Oh, and GET OVER YOURSELF! You are so f*cking arrogant -- like YOU OWN the god damned truth -- the MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH that none of the rest of us are intelligent enough to grasp. Arrogant son of a rat bastard. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blech.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blech.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blech.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wall.gif)

Note: I'm quite aware that if even some part of the above was posted in response to a member of this forum I would have to be given a warning. So, guess what! I'm going to give MYSELF a warning!

PAINTER: Don't you ever ever ever insult a member of this forum like that again!!!

painter: "Oh, but please, sir! FRED/bsregestration IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM! His slimy ass crack isn't ALLOWED to post here!"

PAINTER: Well, then, I'll only give you ONE warning this time. But don't let it happen again in this forum. You should know better than that!!! Clean up your act or next time, you'll get (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/banned1.gif)

painter: (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/crybaby2.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/truce.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/truce.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/pilotfly.gif)

BRAVO!!!


swoon ... [thud]


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This post has been edited by painter: Aug 23 2007, 05:23 AM

[Sanders]

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I am returning painter's self-imposed warning level to zero

because

He's goddamn right !



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