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United 93 Press Release, UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT
rob balsamo
post Dec 21 2007, 07:27 PM
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PRESS RELEASE



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE




12/22/07


PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH

www.pilotsfor911truth.org


Contact: Robert Balsamo

e-mail: pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org


UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS


Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain United Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder information, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder (FDR).

The data provided by the NTSB contradict observed events in several significant ways:



  1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.


  2. All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.

  3. Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.

  4. Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.  

  5. Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.


    6. [/list]

    In May, 2007, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that United Airlines Flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in Somerset County, PA on the morning of
    September 11, 2001
    .According to the     US Govt, United Airlines Flight 93 approached Somerset County from the North-Northwest at a high altitude on the morning of
    September 11, 200

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    .  However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path.

    Also according to reports, and as     the impact crater suggests, United Airlines Flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the Flight Data Recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.


    The information provided by the US Government does not support reports of United Airlines Flight 93 approach, impact angles, and lack of jet fuel at Somerset Country, PA.




Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of
September 11, 2001
. We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of United Flight 93 and the events observed. .As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information and in depth analysis please visit pilotsfor911truth.org.



Members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth at http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html


 ENCLOSURE: Cover letter of FOIA requests.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html
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post Dec 21 2007, 09:12 PM
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Cool! thumbsup.gif Who are you sending it to ?
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rob balsamo
post Dec 21 2007, 09:19 PM
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Was sent to all alternative media contacts tonight. Will go to MSM contacts over the weekend.

More than 1000 emails.

Spread it everywhere and anywhere you wish. Any help getting this out is appreciated.
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post Dec 21 2007, 11:39 PM
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Very well done Rob! cheers.gif
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Nice one Rob! thumbsup.gif

I haven't been around all that much lately so I'm pumped to see the FDR analysis on UA93 is already out!
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I didnt expect terrorists, who would presumably disregard all FAR's and fly their routs VOR and VFR, to reset altimeter to the local setting as we see with AA77. Did you obtain the CSV file for Flight 93 and if so, does it show an altitude change on the descent? Have you FOIA requested the CSV for Flight 93?

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Dec 19 2007, 10:27 PM) *








PRESS RELEASE



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE




12/22/07


PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH

www.pilotsfor911truth.org


Contact: Robert Balsamo

e-mail: pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org


UNITED 93 DATA PROVIDED BY US GOVERNMENT DOES NOT SUPPORT OBSERVED EVENTS


Pilots for 9/11 Truth, an international organization of pilots and aviation professionals, petitioned the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) via the Freedom of Information Act to obtain United Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder information, consisting of a Comma Separated Value (CSV) file and Flight Path Animation, allegedly derived from Flight 93 Flight Data Recorder (FDR).

The data provided by the NTSB contradict observed events in several significant ways:



  1. The NTSB Flight Path Animation approach path and altitude does not support observations.


  2. All Altitude data on the northern approach contradicts witnesses published by the New York Times.

  3. Witness observations of approach path contradict northern approach as described by Popular Mechanics and the US Govt. Several witnesses observed the aircraft approaching from southeast over Indian Lake and from the south prior to witnessing explosion. Parts found in New Baltimore, 8 miles southeast of crater is a direct contradiction to the northern approach claimed by the US Govt.

  4. Environmental Protection Agency reports no soil contamination of jet fuel after testing 5,000-6,000 yards of earth including 3 ground wells. Smoke plume photographed by a witness does not suggest a jet fuel rich explosion.

  5. Impact angle according to Flight Data Recorder does not support an almost vertical impact as the govt story and crater suggests.


    6. [/list]

    In May, 2007, members of Pilots for 9/11 Truth received these documents from the NTSB and began a close analysis of the data they contain. After expert review and cross check, Pilots for 9/11 Truth has concluded that the information in these NTSB documents does not support, and in some instances factually contradicts, the official government position that United Airlines Flight 93 created the impact crater as reported, in Somerset County, PA on the morning of
    September 11, 2001
    .According to the     US Govt, United Airlines Flight 93 approached Somerset County from the North-Northwest at a high altitude on the morning of
    September 11, 200

    1
    . However, many witnesses contradict altitude as well as approach path.

    Also according to reports, and as     the impact crater suggests, United Airlines Flight 93 impacted terrain at an almost vertical 90 degree angle, while the Flight Data Recorder shows a 35 degree angle with up-sloping terrain, further reducing impact angle.


    The information provided by the US Government does not support reports of United Airlines Flight 93 approach, impact angles, and lack of jet fuel at Somerset Country, PA.




Pilots for 9/11 Truth is committed to discovering the truth surrounding the events of
September 11, 2001
. We have contacted both the NTSB and the FBI regarding these and other inconsistencies. To date, they have refused to comment on, correct, refute, retract or offer side-letters that might explain the discrepancies between what they claim are the data extracted from the FDR of United Flight 93 and the events observed. .As concerned citizens and professionals in the aviation industry, Pilots for 9/11 Truth asks, why have these discrepancies not been addressed by agencies within the United States Government? Pilots for 9/11 Truth takes the position that an official government inquiry into these discrepancies is warranted and long overdue. We call upon our fellow citizens to write to their Congressional representatives to inform them of these discrepancies and call for an immediate investigation into this matter. For more information and in depth analysis please visit pilotsfor911truth.org.



Members of Pilots For 9/11 Truth at http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html


ENCLOSURE: Cover letter of FOIA requests.


http://pilotsfor911truth.org/UA93_Press_Release.html


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post Mar 15 2008, 05:03 AM
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OK, now I know to eliminate post HTML if I'm gonna reply.....
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post Mar 15 2008, 05:50 AM
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.....and I see you have the CSV.....and chance of making it available for download?
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rob balsamo
post Mar 15 2008, 08:20 AM
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The file link is now working. Our apologies for the broken link. We recently switched hosting.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?showtopic=6205

To answer your question, the altimeter setting for UA93 remained at 29.92 on descent through 180, unlike AA77 csv file.

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rob balsamo
post Apr 20 2008, 11:31 AM
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http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_ro...ted_93_data.htm

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Somehow it feels to me like the dam is gonna break soon regarding all of the research you folks have done - due to these efforts - thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Apr 21 2008, 02:31 AM) *
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_ro...ted_93_data.htm

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OpenEd article goes 911Blogger:
http://www.911blogger.com/node/15113
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post Apr 22 2008, 03:47 PM
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april...0408_b_Data.htm
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I guess I'm a little behind in the news (I try to stay on top of these things..). When I read that the EPA had analyzed 5-6000 yards of soil for jet fuel contamination I thought certainly we'd see the report somewhere. After doing some searching, I found that it was reported in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that a private company, Environmental Resources Management, Inc, was contracted by United Airlines to do the analysis. Did the EPA back up their study? Can anyone find the report from ERM, Inc? Probably would be difficult, since they are a private entity. We need a United insider...

Linkto the Post-Gazette story, dated 10.03.01:
http://www.postgazette.com/headlines/20011003crash1003p3.asp
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I guess the person to contact would be...

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The soil is being tested for jet fuel, and at least three test wells have been sunk to monitor groundwater, since three nearby homes are served by wells, Betsy Mallison, a state Department of Environmental Protection spokeswoman, said.

So far, no contamination has been discovered, she said.
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