Air America Pentagon Debate To Feature Pft & Cit!, This Thursday May 15th - Debate opposition needed Options

[Craig Ranke CIT]

Here's the deal.....

We currently have testimony from 2 new witnesses who strongly support the flyover.

The one I played on air was in the Pentagon at the south parking lot loading dock and outside within a few seconds of the boom. He said it was about 7 steps to be out of the building.

He saw a "COMMERCIAL AIRLINER" with jet engines banking away only 50 to 100 feet high max.

We have a female officer who was in Arlington National Cemetery and saw the plane directly overhead which is NORTH SIDE and thought it hit either the "other side" or the "top" of the Pentagon.

This is clear support for the flyover.

We have an open dialog with both and so are holding off releasing their names and testimony for now but it will be soon.

We have other VERY strong leads.

Validation keeps coming folks.

This isn't because the official story is true.

[rob balsamo]

The show looks like its already up on http://airamericaradio.com/clout

Also, i was able to record the second hour "breaks" (sorry, i didnt think to record them until second hour).

Heres what happened behind the scenes.. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

11min runtime, i edited out on air discussion. Only off air chats are in this recording except for the last segment.

[dMz]

Heres what happened behind the scenes.. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Hi Rob,

Is there any other format possible except Apple iTunes/QuickTime? I'm getting a dead "plugin" link, and I really don't want to install iTunes again and delete it again and clean my registry, etc. Plus, I fill the hard disk at an astonishing rate- the "plugin" is 57 MB compressed....

Can someone convert this to .WAV or .MP3 or something that doesn't require more plugin installs?

[Cary]

From what I was able to listen to, it was an outstanding show. This cocksucker with his NY TV show was so full of sh*t, he smelled over the internet. Me, him, a ball pean hammer and all his troubles would be gone. What a smug and utter loser. Dumbass.

I'm calling Alex Jones and John Stadtmiller tomorrow and asking them why they got scooped by Air America. Time for the pussy footing to be over with. Sumbitches.

I'll let you know what happens, if anything. God damn on hold bullshit in both places.

[Bruce Sinclair]

Rob:

Thanks for posting the off-air discussion! I wish some of this had made it to air. They had so many frigin ads - it just about drove me nuts! It sounds like there were lots of people tuned in. The truth will out!

[painter]

tell me something, is it true that air amerika is owned by bushit pioneers?

is it really anything other than an agitprop network disguised?

Interesting question, albert.

I don't know the answer but I'm sure someone of an investigative nature could dig into it if they were of a mind to.

I haven't listened to the whole show yet, only the "off air" piece that Rob posted. From what I've read posted here it sounds like over all the experience was frustrating for most everyone involved. Maybe that is the plan. There could also be a "give them just enough rope to hang themselves" aspect to it, too.

I'll not pass final judgement but it may be that "talk radio" is not our medium. One has to be precise, concise, quick and never get flustered.

What do we know about the DNA samples? What is their chain of custody? Who are the people this slacker said "weren't here" -- the ones who allegedly collected the charred passenger remains? What military facility did the DNA analysis again? What other 'work product' have these people produced? Has anyone but government officials even seen these DNA results?

Just wondering aloud.

In any case, I HATE ADVERTISING!! I don't watch TV and I don't listen to Radio -- except for shows like this. But even then, I absolutely LOATH having my attention span broken up into segments garnished with some lame ploy to get me to buy something. Or several somethings. I also HATE "interviewers" who, in actuality, are more interested hearing themselves talk than their guest(s). I won't subject myself to that kind of programming unless there is some overriding reason to 'tune in'.

Attention is a resource. We have to learn to use it wisely.

[painter]

Hi Rob,

Is there any other format possible except Apple iTunes/QuickTime? I'm getting a dead "plugin" link, and I really don't want to install iTunes again and delete it again and clean my registry, etc. Plus, I fill the hard disk at an astonishing rate- the "plugin" is 57 MB compressed....

Can someone convert this to .WAV or .MP3 or something that doesn't require more plugin installs?

dMole, it IS an MP3. Here is the direct link: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/AAR.mp3

Since rob has embedded it in his post my guess would be that there is some setting in whatever browser you are using (or some system setting) that tells it to open an mp3 with iTunes. If you can find that setting, you should be able to change it to open an embedded MP3 with whatever media player you have installed. I'm a Mac person not a Windows guy so I could be wrong about that, but it would be my guess. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/dunno.gif)

[dMz]

dMole, it IS an MP3. Here is the direct link:

Thanks painter! Haven't listened to it yet, but the direct link was pure gold! Ironic that the artiste is doing "tech support" for the guy who has been soldering/building/sometimes-programming his own computers since the early 1980's, no? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

In my defense, I DO keep my browser, cookies, ISP, ActiveX, JAVA, and damn near everything else under a fairly tight "lockdown"...

[painter]

. . .
Ironic that the artiste is doing "tech support" for the guy who has been soldering/building/sometimes-programming his own computers since the early 1980's, no? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
. . .

"Ironic," might not be exactly the right word for it but I'm happy if I was of any help.

[rob balsamo]

When I was a child I had a fever.
My hands felt just like two balloons.
Now I got that feeling once again.
I cant explain, you would not understand.
This is not how I am.
I have become comfortably numb.

We needed more time.

Troops.. its time to rally. Take Cary's advice above. Just do it.

[rob balsamo]

Guys, i know many of you are disappointed and i apologize. I did my best over the past week to put together a productive show when Richard asked me to "Co-Produce". Although all the guests did an excellent job with what we had to work with, and Richard did a good job of staying on topic, i think Richard dropped the ball too many times over the past week and during the show. I expressed my frustrations in an email to Richard and the guests. It is good 9/11 topics are getting added exposure, however I hope Richard will take these topics a bit more seriously in the future.

Unfortunately, i had to cancel tonight with Kevin Barrett. Craig should be on though and he has alot of material to cover.

Regards

[rob balsamo]

Maybe I'm blind...but I don't see a link to the discussion last night here:



Can't find it via search either? (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

http://airamerica.com/clout/blog/2008/may/...h-week-3?page=1

[rob balsamo]

Full Show Dowload. ~13MB. Its in 6 parts but does not reflect the parts that were/are available from Air America. The parts are not in order... so you'll have to listen to find out which goes where. This was recorded by Leslie (thank you!). Most of the commercials are cut out. I havent listened to it yet, but Leslie says quality is good.

Right click and save target as... (you'll need winzip to unzip the file)
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/AAR_Pentagon051508.zip

[maturin42]

Clout blog from the Pentagon set a record from the Pentagon show. The carryover audience from the Rachel Maddow show held up through the two hours - never before seen. Blog comments on the Pentagon show are up to 128 as I write. The blog normally gets 2-10 comments on a good night. The 9/11 shows have all garnered ten times that. That makes it a lot easier to sell future shows on the subject after the next two scheduled show are over. The trolls and deniers are on the blog - spinning as hard as they can, so if you have not weighed in to take some of them on, go do it. Or even if you have.

Next show is on Dick Cheney and his role.

Update: Blog entries are up to 174 now (Midnight Saturday) There is a lot of the usual bickering and a huge amount of fog being thrown by the denial crowd.

Reason for edit: Update

[stasis]

Clout blog from the Pentagon set a record from the Pentagon show. The carryover audience from the Rachel Maddow show held up through the two hours - never before seen. Blog comments on the Pentagon show are up to 128 as I write. The blog normally gets 2-10 comments on a good night. The 9/11 shows have all garnered ten times that. That makes it a lot easier to sell future shows on the subject after the next two scheduled show are over. The trolls and deniers are on the blog - spinning as hard as they can, so if you have not weighed in to take some of them on, go do it. Or even if you have.

Next show is on Dick Cheney and his role.

Update: Blog entries are up to 174 now (Midnight Saturday) There is a lot of the usual bickering and a huge amount of fog being thrown by the denial crowd.

I don't see trolls and deniers there. I see a lot of good questions there for CIT to address.

[grizz]

Turbofan wrote:

If a plane can’t cut a “cartoon silhouette” in a reinforced concrete wall...how does an aluminum fuselage travel through a few rings of concrete and cut a near perfect circle in the C ring and then just disappear? What part on the forward end of an airplane can make that shape? Where is the picture of the landing gear, or fuselage that cut that pretty hole?

I haven't been able to find it, but I saw a government chart identifying the locations of the DNA for all the passengers on AA77. I think it was on a thread about Babara Olsen, and I believe Rob posted it. IIRC, the final location of the DNA was spread from the interior to the exterior of the C ring hole.

So... Apparently the official narrative is that the plane both vaporized and also traveled through the building, leaving an occasional part along the way. The wings and tail disappeared, and the passengers in the frail fuselage made six holes through reinforced walls to their final resting place.

Movies have men of steel, but real life does not. Magical passengers and WTC victims is a most glaring inconsistency in the OCT, as you rightly point out, Turbofan.

[dMz]

Found something disturbing (to me at least) when I was disseminating the Clout link last night. I got a security certificate from www.bliss.army.mil at the Clout website. This puts albertchampion's question in an interesting POV for me.

I couldn't get my screen capture to post, but is located at:
http://s2.orbitfiles.com/2829330802.jpg?li...1281064050774d5

BTW, when/if you see one of these, I advise you to click the 3rd choice, "Do not accept this certificate and do not connect to this website."

I also didn't like the looks of "Transferring data from baldur.globalsymmetry.com" in the browser status bar, but perhaps that is normal for the Clout page. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Likely-related information is at:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index....showtopic=11687

EDIT: I just went back to the Clout page to examine the "Details" of the above certificate. I found several other .MIL locations, but it all traces back to the DoD. This time, I also saw a "Read www.ins.state.ny.us" in the browser status bar. INS/DHS or NY state? I captured all of the above details, for the record. PrintScreen is a real bitch, eh GUS? [with GUS meaning Government, United States- an old joke]

EDIT2: the INS thing appears to be an insurance link- probably just an ad or banner on the Clout page, but I KNOW that I wasn't looking for DoD sites there...

http://www.ins.state.ny.us/

This post has been edited by dMole: May 18 2008, 07:57 PM

[dMz]

I don't see trolls and deniers there. I see a lot of good questions there for CIT to address.

Forest- see trees... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cleanup.gif)

EDIT: "stasis" is an interesting choice of username. It wouldn't have anything to do with status quo, would it???

This post has been edited by dMole: May 18 2008, 07:41 PM

[stasis]

Monday, May 19, 2008
Air America Debate Proposal

An Open Challenge to David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/...e-proposal.html

[Carl Bank]

Forest- see trees... (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cleanup.gif)

EDIT: "stasis" is an interesting choice of username. It wouldn't have anything to do with status quo, would it???

"Stasi" is the common used short for the german "StaatsSicherheit"

The Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Ministry for State Security), commonly known as the Stasi (abbreviation German: Staatssicherheit, literally State Security), was the official secret police of East Germany. The Stasi was headquartered in East Berlin, with an extensive complex in Berlin-Lichtenberg and several smaller facilities throughout the city. It was widely regarded as one of the most effective – and repressive – intelligence and secret police agencies in the world. The Stasi's motto was "Schild und Schwert der Partei" (Shield and Sword of the Party), showing its connections to the Socialist Unity Party of Germany (SED), the equivalent to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Another term used in earlier years to refer to the Stasi was Staatssicherheitsdienst (State Security Service or SSD).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi

The linking to the "ScrewLooseChangeBlog" by "stasis" in his 2nd post here
seems to underline my assumption about the orign of his handle:

Posted Today, 01:06 PM
Monday, May 19, 2008
Air America Debate Proposal

An Open Challenge to David Ray Griffin and the 9/11 Truth Movement

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2008/...e-proposal.html

ZZZZ: Carl