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9/11 Pentagon Debate With Anthony Summers For Pacifica Radio, broadcast nationwide on 10th anniversary

Craig Ranke CIT
post Oct 29 2011, 02:51 PM
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Thanks to Rob for sending Pacifica radio our way when they were looking for someone to debate Anthony Summers on the 9/11 Pentagon event for their 10th anniversary special.

Anthony Summers had just published a mainstream distributed book where he claims that he is presenting "the first panoramic authoritative account of 9/11" and that he "thoroughly considers the contentions of the '9/11 truth movement'".

Not surprisingly it's yet another dishonest hit-piece that ignores and/or dismisses the evidence exposing a deception in favor of straw man arguments, ridicule, and blanket dismissal spoken authoritatively.

Here is the debate:

http://youtu.be/KUZy9GBLvPk




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post Oct 29 2011, 05:26 PM
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Nice job Craig.
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post Oct 29 2011, 05:30 PM
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Great job, Craig. A thorough butt kicking. handsdown.gif
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post Oct 29 2011, 08:27 PM
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Sweet. Like talking to a brick wall but you kept your head man. thumbsup.gif

This is what genuinely confuses me. The official reports claim that no passengers were identified until weeks after the FBI arrived on the scene. So why the delay on these alleged passengers "strapped into their seats"?

http://radiology.rsna.org/content/223/1/7.full

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There is also the ever-present problem of debris. Virtually every specimen from this site was mixed with debris composed of aircraft and building materials of an opaque and semiopaque nature. Body parts from several individuals may have been mixed into a single specimen.


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The military anticipates the requirement of obtaining DNA specimens from all personnel and maintaining them in a central repository for postmortem identification purposes (4). In addition, dental records are maintained and usually include a full-mouth pantograph. The existence of a reference database allows relatively rapid positive identification of military casualties. THIS WAS, IN FACT, TRUE WITH THE PENTAGON ATTACK, SINCE MANY MORE MILITARY CASUALTIES WERE POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED THAN CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE INVESTIGATION.


http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005.../28-581634.html

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WHILE IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ON MILITARY PERSONNEL IS STORED AND CENTRALLY AVAILABLE, INFORMATION ON THE 64 CIVILIANS ON FLIGHT 77 TOOK WEEKS TO ARRIVE.


17 of those alleged passenger had military/navy backgrounds too.

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While identification information on military personnel is stored and centrally available, information on the 64 civilians on Flight 77 took weeks to arrive. By November 16, 2001, all but five sets of remains had been identified prior to mortuary specialists taking care of them before release to next-of-kin. “Because of the combined effort of all three services and the FBI” the process worked quickly. It was “the most comprehensive forensic investigation in U.S. history.”
Personnel from the AFME [Armed Forces Medical Examiner] supported, including acting as team leader, the identification of remains from United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Somerset, PA. All but one of the passengers and crew were identified. Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory personnel were crucial in identifying victims." - Soldiers to the Rescue/Armed Forces Medical Examiner


http://www.arlingtonva.us/web/pdfinfo.aspx

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The sifting operation produced about 70 percent of the body PARTS processed at the morgue.

Recommendation:

Occasionally, it is appropriate for senior government officials to visit sensitive facilities such as the FBI’s temporary morgue, even if only to check on the wellbeing of the staff working there. However, these visits must be carefully controlled and absolutely necessary. (LE-073)

A statement issued by the county said:

Responsibility for incident and site management at the Pentagon crash site was transferred from the Arlington County Fire Department to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) effective at 7 a.m., Friday, Sept. 21. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT ADDITIONAL REMAINS WILL BE DISCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF THE FBI’S INVESTIGATION. Qualified mortuary personnel remain on site to process these remains.


When any official reports mention "passenger remains they talk of sifting through rubble for "parts":

http://www.arlingtonva.us/web/pdfinfo.aspx

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On the afternoon of September 11, Dr. Marcella Fierro, the Virginia Chief Medical Examiner, met with ASAC Blecksmith and asserted the responsibility of her office regarding the autopsies of victims of the terrorist attack. The FBI felt strongly that the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), with which the FBI has long-standing working relations, should perform the autopsies. Dr. Fierro requested and received a letter from Attorney General Ashcroft transferring responsibility for the medical examinations to the FBI.

Because of the volume of debris inside the Pentagon, front-end loaders were used to load the debris in dump trucks, which carried the debris to a sifting operation in the North Parking Lot. Special Agent Samuel Simon and Special Agent Jeffrey Bedford ran the 2 shifts of the 24-hour a day sifting operation, which was extremely labor intensive. Volunteers from the FBI, Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), EPA, BATF, Arlington County and mutual-aid law enforcement agencies, MDW, and others worked around the clock with 200 or more persons on each shift. BATF heavy equipment operators spread rubble from inside the Pentagon.

Metropolitan Police Department cadaver dogs worked through the debris, then volunteers carefully raked the area searching for body parts, personal effects, evidence, and classified documents. Papers of any type were turned over to the DPS to determine if they contained classified materials and, if so, to safeguard them.


How could an aircraft seat and seatbelt be identifiable given what these reports claim? Or the claim that the majority of body parts were found by the "punch out hole", where the ASCE Report claimed that temperatures of 1000º were recorded for one hour. Cremation point.

I honestly think that some Pentagon occupants were found "melted" to their chairs (sorry for the graphic image)






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post Oct 30 2011, 07:35 AM
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For heaven sake, let's be honest about it.

This man (Anthony Summers) is a fool.

he hasn't yet learned to think for himself,

and therefore has no idea what is right

and wrong, and therefore no idea and

no true ability to distinguish between

friend and foe.

The man is too much 'up himself', and

hence lost in his own self-importance.

Forget him, as he's beyond reach!


At least that was the impression i got

listening to the audio broadcast, but

i will concede that so-called "miracles"

do from time to time happen, so will

naturally hope it'll turn out eventually

that he might 'turn', just to show that

i might have been too hasty .... in my

conclusions!


Cheers

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i've seen some mismatches in my day, but craig, you beat the shit out of that guy so badly that if he ever regains consciousness, he will look back on his performance and be really ashamed. the moderator wasn't worth a grunt either. you did good man!
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It seems like some people live for superficial perceptions and some people want to know exactly what took place. Did anyone ask Pacifica why they cut the interview short ?

I think I'll get a wig and write a book; "After a genuine look at all the data, I've concluded that nothing happened on 9-11 and all the problems with the United States are to be blamed on the present President and you need to give me money to get him out".

Too bad you couldn't get the cab driver drunk and get more out of him.


So the CIT payed off and hypnotized witnesses, and altered the flight recorder data, and was able to confuse the FAA, Air Force and Norad on 9-11.

CIT kicks ass.


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post Oct 31 2011, 05:12 PM
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This is a prime example of why people do not want to debate us or discuss the issue with us.

This guy was a high value target that was 100% exposed and taken out.
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post Nov 1 2011, 10:45 AM
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Thanks a lot for all the support guys.

It was really a great opportunity to get to debate this guy because he is clearly being touted by the mainstream as some sort of 9/11 expert who has debunked all the "conspiracy theories".

We've also added this with a bit more context to the news section of the CIT home site and official blog. Comments on the blog and youtube page are appreciated!
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post Nov 1 2011, 06:49 PM
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I've seen photos of the inside of the Pentagon shortly after the building exploded, and whether taken inside or outside of the building, I never saw evidence of a large twin engine transport entering the building. There was an article in the United States Naval Institute Proceedings written by a Navy Lieutenant who was burned and hauled out of the building by an Army Sergeant First Class and the photos taken gave no indication a Boeing transport had been there. When compared to the final result, nothing in the official story makes a bit of sense.

I contend the Pentagon explosion was purely symbolic, because if it had been a genuine attack, the entire building would have been demolished. If you want to attack someone, destroy their war making capabilities so they can't strike back, not just anger them. The WTC has no real value, except for getting Larry Silverman 8 billion dollars insurance money, especially since he did his own investigation "proving" it was terror. He had to in order to get the money, since he took out terrorism insurance. The entire incident was symbolic. The time to have struck would have been when congress was in full session and demolish the capitol building. The entire thing was designed to get our national underware in a bunch.
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I think the Pentagon attack was more than symbolic--it was strategic.

The strategy being to eliminate the records and the auditors investigating the missing money.

There may have been a symbolic angle, but the goal was getting rid of evidence.
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yep. I asked Pacifica why they cut it short. To Andrew Leslie Phillips, interim General Manager.> andrew@kpfa.org < on 3rd.Nov. Have heard nothing back to date.
I think I might write again.

It was a knock-out presentation of on the ground actual investigative FACT that compromised Kester, Summers' and kpfa integrity.
Over such a serious matter as 911 atrocity, where a 'major author' - AND radio HOST - are exposed within THREE QUESTIONS by independent cross-examination,
that the authors FACTS are unverified by individual corroboration,
then Pacifica has broken its trust with listening public entirely. These guys were out to nail Craig Ranke, and they got nailed instead.
Really powerful work.
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post Nov 14 2011, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (panthercat @ Nov 1 2011, 06:49 PM) *
I contend the Pentagon explosion was purely symbolic, because if it had been a genuine attack, the entire building would have been demolished. If you want to attack someone, destroy their war making capabilities so they can't strike back, not just anger them.


i think there were many tactical layers and even specific human targets who were laid to waste that day, but i readily admit that as an outsider i cant pinpoint all of them. but here is one specific provable example of a tactical target inside the area that was blown to bits:


http://investor.gtsi.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=1...&highlight=
http://washingtontechnology.com/articles/2...personally.aspx
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Just two weeks before Sept. 11, a team of employees from SRA International Inc. handed over control to the Navy of a command center the team had built. Many of the Navy personnel that SRA's employees had worked with and came to know as friends were killed when American Airlines Flight 77 plowed into the Pentagon and destroyed the command center.



http://www.crn.com/news/channel-programs/1...-washington.htm
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SRA International, Fairfax, Va., worked from the ground up to bring a U.S. Navy command center and several other clients back online. The physical plant and all equipment at the Navy facility, located at the site of the jet crash, "had been completely destroyed," said Tim Atkin, director of SRA's critical infrastructure protection program.

SRA essentially recreated the systems and infrastructure in place at the Navy center before the disaster, Atkin said. The project included procuring new hardware and software to rebuilding a network to developing a videoconferencing application.



http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=62670
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Retired Navy Lt. Kevin P. Shaeffer, who was working in the Navy Command Center at the Pentagon during the attack, was guest speaker for the ceremony. The Navy Command Center was destroyed by the hijacked plane's impact.



http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/17/us/natio...ess-family.html
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NAMPA, Idaho, Nov. 14— At the heart of Dorothy Vauk's grief over the last-born of her nine children is a question that has haunted the nation since Sept. 11: How can someone ever manage to hate strangers?

She asks it about the hijackers who plunged a jetliner into the Pentagon where her 37-year-old son, Ron, was the Navy's watch commander. Urgently trying to scramble jet fighters in defense of the capital, Lieutenant Commander Vauk perished in the first moments of what is now the nation's war against terrorism.



a list of Pentagon NAVY Command Center deaths:
http://pentagonmemorial.org/search/node/command%20center



-so the command center was (or was about to be) engaged in the response to the hijacked planes, but was neutralized before being able to do so effectively.
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Here's a few more who were allegedly passengers on "Flight 77":


Charles F. Burlingame III, the Captain of Flight 77, an aeronautical engineer, and a former Navy fighter pilot.

William E. Caswell, MD, physicist, was a senior scientist for the U.S. Navy, retired Army.

Charles Droz III, vice president of software development for EM Solutions Inc. and retired Lieutenant Commander, Navy.

Wilson "Bud" Flagg, a U.S. Navy Admiral and pilot with American Airlines. In 1987 he was designated a rear admiral, and posted at the Pentagon as one of the top officers for the Naval Reserve. In 1990,


Bernard Brown Jr., 11, His father, Bernard Sr., is a Navy chief petty officer who's works at the Pentagon and who's office is in the wing where the crash happened. Bernard took a rare day off to play golf on 9/11. Had he not — he would have been in his office at the Pentagon when the explosion occured

And then these people:


Richard P. Gabriel Sr., retired Marine Lieutenant.

Stanley Hall, director of program management at Raytheon, U.S. Army (Ret.)

Bryan Jack, budget analyst/director of the programming and fiscal economics division with the Defense Department who worked at the Pentagon (23 years), was headed to California to give a lecture at the Naval Postgraduate School,
As head of programming and fiscal economics in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, he was a top budget analyst.

Chandler "Chad" Raymond Keller, a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Dong Lee, an engineer/scientist for the Integrated Defense Systems at Boeing. A computer science graduate of the University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins University, he worked in the U.S. Air Force for four years and for the National Security Agency for 14 years.

That's quite a collection for a small number on a flight (25% capacity)
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Yes it is.

The Military Industrial Complex was very well represented in the "passengers" whistle.gif
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QUOTE (onesliceshort @ Nov 15 2011, 01:07 AM) *
Here's a few more who were allegedly passengers on "Flight 77":


Charles F. Burlingame III, the Captain of Flight 77, an aeronautical engineer, and a former Navy fighter pilot.

William E. Caswell, MD, physicist, was a senior scientist for the U.S. Navy, retired Army.

Charles Droz III, vice president of software development for EM Solutions Inc. and retired Lieutenant Commander, Navy.

Wilson "Bud" Flagg, a U.S. Navy Admiral and pilot with American Airlines. In 1987 he was designated a rear admiral, and posted at the Pentagon as one of the top officers for the Naval Reserve. In 1990,


Bernard Brown Jr., 11, His father, Bernard Sr., is a Navy chief petty officer who's works at the Pentagon and who's office is in the wing where the crash happened. Bernard took a rare day off to play golf on 9/11. Had he not — he would have been in his office at the Pentagon when the explosion occured

And then these people:


Richard P. Gabriel Sr., retired Marine Lieutenant.

Stanley Hall, director of program management at Raytheon, U.S. Army (Ret.)

Bryan Jack, budget analyst/director of the programming and fiscal economics division with the Defense Department who worked at the Pentagon (23 years), was headed to California to give a lecture at the Naval Postgraduate School,
As head of programming and fiscal economics in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, he was a top budget analyst.

Chandler "Chad" Raymond Keller, a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Dong Lee, an engineer/scientist for the Integrated Defense Systems at Boeing. A computer science graduate of the University of Maryland and Johns Hopkins University, he worked in the U.S. Air Force for four years and for the National Security Agency for 14 years.

That's quite a collection for a small number on a flight (25% capacity)




"Ostensibly" 'collateral damage' .....perhaps!!


Wasn't it around 125 individual human beings (family members to boot), and of same 'importance'

as above, who also perished, but 'within' the pentagon on 9/11!!


Amazing how easily 'good' human beings become expendable when 'evil', and absolute ignorance

rules the world.


One day, in the distant future, 'the evil' ones will become 'good' people too, but their sufferings

to get to that point in time, will beat all other sufferings presently existing on good mother Earth!


"Goodness" in all its various forms and nuances can never be beaten ....... it's utterly unbeatable.

It's only in "Goodness", it's only in the "Light", that we'll ever find what is truly "Right".



I'll put it in other words, and would love some feed-backs to the following:

It's my thoughts at the moment that we're wasting our time talking to 'the present'. I think that

we will do immeasurably more good by exclusively talking to the future, as 'people in power' are

dead to any influence when it comes to what is 'good', 'proper' and 'right'*).

(And we'll probably feel much better doing so in the process ....for just think about poor Socrates.

2500 years later, and human kind is still not waking up to what exactly he was talking about then

- but 'times' they are a-changing. 'Times' are speeding up)!


I'm certain that many and most "forums" will suffer a quiet 'death' within a short time (some are

already 'dying'), whereas i am very confident that "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" will survive, and one day

become a "historical document" that future generations will study in great detail, and in this same

"document" learn quite a lot about the true thinking prevailing amongst many clear thinking human

beings living as 'adults' in the beginning of the '21 century'. (Yes, i'm aware of the argument, but

dream i'll win this)!


*) Saw Obama addressing both houses of the Australian parliament. It was too much. Had to turn

it off. Couldn't bear to watch anymore of the utter crap coming towards me.

Saw later that he was given a standing ovation. All the members of the Australian parliament

appears to be nothing but sycophants. They ALL think it's 'good' to go out and kill a lot of people

in aggressive wars - and that, of course, includes countless women and children, the old and the

frail.

These 'people' above are all mad!


Hope you're all getting at least the 'gist' of what i'm trying to say. At the moment i'm sort of just

'floating' along a little bit ....... to who knows where .......



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