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9/11: John Lear - Disinformation? Cia Operative?

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post Jan 9 2011, 08:29 AM
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QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 6 2011, 07:20 PM) *
There are several planets and moons within our solar system which are hidden from us. If a 'body does have a proportional gravitational effect' then they would have perturbed the orbits of the other known planets.

Gravity, therefore, has not the slightest proportional gravitational effect.

Was not the presence of once unknown solar objects detected by the perturbation of those already recognised?

EDIT; and the presence of black holes and other massive but unseen objects in the deep sky are also deduced by the perturbations of nearby visible stars. Indeed, it is considered that most stars are binaries, some made up of of more than two objects, with each having an effect on the other.

Galaxies too have a gravitational effect on other galaxies as I indicated with my mention of the nearby Andromeda galaxy being pulled in by ours.

Sure, energy (and by extension dark energy) has a gravitational effect, well described by Penrose and Hawking, an effect which is certain to be proportional to the amount of energy. Similarly for mass which is an alternative manifestation of energy.

To say that gravity is not proportional to mass is rather like saying that the amount of light reaching the film plane in a camera is not proportional to the aperture simply because it is proportional to the time of exposure. And there we introduce photons which have interesting properties WRT exchange of mass and energy. Photons being energy and hence having some gravitational properties.

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post Jan 9 2011, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 8 2011, 01:20 PM) *
quote name='Omega892R09' date='Jan 6 2011, 04:17 PM' post='10792931']
I agree, but the quantity of matter in a body does have a proportional gravitational effect.

What gravity is at the deepest level dunno.gif .



There are several planets and moons within our solar system which are hidden from us. If a 'body does have a proportional gravitational effect' then they would have perturbed the orbits of the other known planets.

Gravity, therefore, has not the slightest proportional gravitational effect.


Hi John,

Gravity...
hmmm, yes i've been thinking about this quite a lot, lately.

Mass must exist without weight and gravity at every point, within the universe,
but mass needs, matter to show itself, as a center of gravity, which is...
...a point,
at the center of gravity, of that volume of matter. (star, planet, moon, atom)
So, mass at any point in empty space, without a volume of matter, would have no inertia, and it would be undetectable.
Even if that point contained, all the mass of the universe,
as it has no volume, it can have no detectable center of gravity,
and no direct effect on the matter of volume, in the universe.

This gives rise to the old idea of the aether, which, i think, is renamed the dark matter, of today.
Point particles of no practical volume, but containing mass.
This would be the pre-matter of the universe,
the building block of the neutron and the proton,
and thus, all the matter and energy of the universe.

We live in an ocean of pre-matter, we can't see it, or detect it.
In its purest form it is empty vacuous outer space.

This ocean of pre-matter-particles pours constantly into the center of the volumes of matter, that floats within it.
We can't see the flow of inertia free, frictionless, infinitely compressible, empty space into matter,
but we can see how the matter "floating" in space, behaves.
We see this as weight or gravity to matter.

So gravity could be seen to be caused by the suction, from the dark matter of space,
constantly draining into the centers of gravity of diameters of volumes of matter.

...i don't think this will be found in any book, yet.

What are your thoughts?
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:27 PM
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Wow! What an excellent description of time!

Hopefully one day we'll understand as much about this as we now do about dragons.
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post Jan 9 2011, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 4 2011, 08:44 PM) *
My theory is sex, drugs and rock 'n roll will save the world.

John Lear


Sir, you are not only wise but smart, too. I salute you!
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post Jan 9 2011, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Jan 9 2011, 11:27 AM) *
Hopefully one day we'll understand as much about time as we now do about dragons.

Who on time...Lunk?

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QUOTE (BarryWilliamsmb @ Jan 9 2011, 11:27 AM) *
Hopefully one day we'll understand as much about this as we now do about dragons.

So you have been reading "Dragon blood"?
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post Jan 10 2011, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE (Omega892R09 @ Jan 7 2011, 11:29 AM) *
Was not the presence of once unknown solar objects detected by the perturbation of those already recognised?


Yes, for now known planets inside the solar and predicted for outside the solar system.

But nobody has predicted or knows about the hidden planets inside our solar system. They are huge but have no mass.

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QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 8 2011, 03:40 AM) *
Yes, for now known planets inside the solar and predicted for outside the solar system.

But nobody has predicted or knows about the hidden planets inside our solar system. They are huge but have no mass.

Ah! Planets, but not as we know them. whistle.gif
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post Jan 10 2011, 08:42 AM
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We cannot see what we cannot detect.
All that appears is empty space.
And we only can see a narrow spectrum of electromagnetic radiation.

Time, that's a kicker.

The only place we exist is, in the moment,
The past is unchangeable, and the future is a probability,
but the moment is always present.
So one must ask if time even exists.

However, we also know any duration of time (like space) is dividable to infinity.
making the shortest duration of time as zero.
Which is interesting, because there would be no time, in a single moment,
for anything at all, to happen.
A universe where nothing ever happens, static,
to all the activity that is happening in ours.

Ah, but space as a super-fluid gas, would cause different densities, as it is pulled into the matter suspended within it. And the rate of time, should slow in the space closer, to a center of gravity, this exponentially increases the space available, closer to a center of gravity.

We see this as a general increase in the density in matter, towards a center of gravity.

The atmosphere of Earth, has part of this same increment in air pressure towards sea level.

This is one of the reasons planes can't fly as fast, close to the ground, as at a higher altitude, i think.
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post Jan 10 2011, 12:07 PM
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All the best to all of you... and a big smile of recognition to John Lear for:
"My wife has been weary of me for 38 years. But I am sure you mean wary."

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post Jan 10 2011, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE (patrouille @ Jan 8 2011, 03:07 PM) *
All the best to all of you... and a big smile of recognition to John Lear for:
"My wife has been weary of me for 38 years. But I am sure you mean wary."

--Adam "Dewpoint" Shaw
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No, weary as in "Omigod, how am I going to clean up this mess."

But she is also 'wary' as in: "Omigod, what is he going to do next."
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post Jan 10 2011, 01:39 PM
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A few thoughts:

There was no big bang.

There will be no 'contraction'.

There was no beginning and there will be no end.

The universe contains billions and billions and billions of galaxies.

There are a billion times a billion earths similar to ours. Some are more advanced, some are less advanced.

The speed of thought is infinite.

The speed of gravity is instantaneous through out the universe.

There is one black hole for every galaxy.

A black holes purpose is to recycle stars after they die.

There is no such thing as 'Dark Matter'.

We are not an experiment.


John Lear
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QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 07:39 AM) *
A few thoughts:There was no big bang.There will be no 'contraction'.There was no beginning and there will be no end.The universe contains billions and billions and billions of galaxies.There are a billion times a billion earths similar to ours. Some are more advanced, some are less advanced.The speed of thought is infinite.The speed of gravity is instantaneous through out the universe.There is one black hole for every galaxy.A black holes purpose is to recycle stars after they die.There is no such thing as 'Dark Matter'.We are not an experiment.John Lear

Now we are getting somewhere...I suppose I can quote you on that on elreb.com?
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QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
A few thoughts:

There was no big bang.

l. True.
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
There will be no 'contraction'.

l. True
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
There was no beginning and there will be no end.

l. True
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
The universe contains billions and billions and billions of galaxies.

l. True (at least, if not more)
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
There are a billion times a billion earths similar to ours. Some are more advanced, some are less advanced.

l. More than likely.
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
The speed of thought is infinite.

l. i don't know, but i would say intuition happens pretty quick.
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
The speed of gravity is instantaneous through out the universe.

l. hmmm, i'd say that the vacuum of space is a constant.
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
There is one black hole for every galaxy.

l. yes, a galaxy scale black hole, a sort of nucleus.
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
A black holes purpose is to recycle stars after they die.

l. Perhaps, but i'm not sure if this could be called a "purpose."
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
There is no such thing as 'Dark Matter'.

l. Er, yes, because it is undetectable, and we see it as nothing.
QUOTE (johnlear @ Jan 10 2011, 09:39 AM) *
We are not an experiment.

l. ...but are the experimenters?

i don't know from where you drew your conclusions John,
but they are very similar to mine.
i see another Renaissance coming to science,
hopefully very soon.

i do see a pattern in the solar system, though,
Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Asteroid belt,
Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Kuiper belt.
Perhaps there are 4, even more massive bodies beyond, before the Oort cloud?

Yet all, is matter suspended in space, drawing in the points,
in our universe of boundless volume.
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This looks like my office...

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Always good to see you on the forum John.

Hope you're doing well my friend.
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QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Jan 8 2011, 08:33 PM) *
Always good to see you on the forum John.

Hope you're doing well my friend.



Thanks Bob, all is well.

Happy New Year. smile.gif
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jan 8 2011, 08:11 PM) *
This looks like my office...



And here is how it looks this afternoon. Gadzooks what a mess:



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I have a funny feeling you do not move around as much as I do.

I have always been a monitor freak [like you] and needed from 4 to 7 of them when I was writing and publishing. We had built a consol that reminded you of NASA with computer junk everywhere.

Most of this crap is still in a warehouse in Sacramento rotting away along with another 1000 books and two Corvette engines.

Cancer killed me over 10 years ago [non Hodgkin’s lymphoma] and I actually live in the 5th dimension.

My “Ba” was most important because it contained my thoughts when I was alive…more or less my intellectual DNA.
My “Ka” was simply the aspect of being alive and moved on when my organic body died.

My “Ba” is now in limbo until it founds a fresh “Ka” of the next LIFE

I just completed my second LIFE which was "the Life which was no Life"

Today is my birthday…I would have been 93y today.
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QUOTE (elreb @ Jun 9 2010, 07:44 PM) *
In one hand, I also see “Time” as being relative and man-made.

In the other hand I hold an Apple seed.

I plant the apparent 3D seed in the ground and water it, then its 4D tree time begins & its 3D seed time ends.

The 4D tree grows, produces Apples and dies. I cut up the Tree and make it into 3D furniture.

I eat the Apple and spit out the seeds into my 4D hand.

So you have the time of the person, the time of the seed, the time of the tree, the time of the apple and the time of the chair.

Is the “rest time” of the seed or the “rest time” of the chair considered as time?

Is the seed really dead or just dormant? Duration should be considered as a dimension.


Sorry Elreb - I was referring to your post from last June. Your thoughts provided a lively dinner conversation at my house.
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