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Low Level High Speed Pass

outsider
post Aug 13 2016, 11:36 AM
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Hi Pilots for 9/11 Truth, someone posted this video clip on a blog, presumably to show that a Boeing 767 could safely operate at low level at high speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bFh2NeD32Y
Can any of you judge approximate speed and height?
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post Aug 13 2016, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE (outsider @ Aug 13 2016, 12:36 PM) *
Hi Pilots for 9/11 Truth, someone posted this video clip on a blog, presumably to show that a Boeing 767 could safely operate at low level at high speed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bFh2NeD32Y
Can any of you judge approximate speed and height?


That is a popular video duhbunkers like to use in a poor attempt to prove the speeds reported on 9/11 were possible.

However, what they fail to understand and research, is that the 757 in the above video was operating within the flight envelope of a standard 757, unlike the aircraft on 9/11.

A description from the Captain on that flight (an RNZAF 757) -

I was the captain of that particular shot, filmed during a Squadron open-day a couple of years ago. It's part of a routine that has been performed over thirty times at various airshows and practices around the world including RIAT Fairford 2003, Kemble 2006, RAF Waddington 2006, Warbirds Over Wanaka 2004, Avalon 2005.

The low pass is flown into wind at 350 knots (indicated) and 100 feet above the runway. It's a 2g pull up to between 45 and 55 degrees nose up pitch (although there has been higher) and the zoom climb ends at an altitude between 8000 and 10000 feet depending on the type of pull up used. The sequence does not end with a loop as some of the readers speculate, but in fact with a 60 degree wingover at around 220 knots. It is easily possible to enhance this maneouver with a steeper climb and bank but there is no need - it is spectacular already, and safe. - read more here




This is how the above airshow maneuver compares to the flights from 9/11 - see RNZAF 757 data point in the middle of diagram, (compared to the 9/11 Aircraft data points to the far right).



See this video to understand the above diagram -



Hope this helps...
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post Apr 3 2017, 01:01 PM
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I just watched this again, for the ?dreth time. The over all idea has sunk in but it is still way overly complicated for the average Joe and Joess.

I discuss the science of WTC with a lot of folks and I have found that it has to be way dumbed down, and it has to be carefully delivered or you get the irrational "debunkers" jumping in and seizing on this and that that has no connection in order to derail the discussion. If you don't reply to their brilliant questions, the "you're hiding" routine comes out.
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post Apr 9 2017, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (wishIwasapilot @ Apr 3 2017, 02:01 PM) *
I just watched this again, for the ?dreth time. The over all idea has sunk in but it is still way overly complicated for the average Joe and Joess.

I discuss the science of WTC with a lot of folks and I have found that it has to be way dumbed down, and it has to be carefully delivered or you get the irrational "debunkers" jumping in and seizing on this and that that has no connection in order to derail the discussion. If you don't reply to their brilliant questions, the "you're hiding" routine comes out.



Yes, one of the simple truths of life is that one cannot reason with a dissonant person, a man in denial. There is nothing you can say that will satisfy them, they are immune to truth and rational analysis.
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post Apr 9 2017, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (amazed! @ Apr 9 2017, 01:37 PM) *
Yes, one of the simple truths of life is that one cannot reason with a dissonant person, a man in denial. There is nothing you can say that will satisfy them, they are immune to truth and rational analysis.


Yes very true.

And the irony is that often times these people are family members! ohmy.gif
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post Jul 12 2017, 07:07 AM
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The video is not comparable to what happened at the Pentagon. The Pentagon is not at the end of a long airport runway.

Do it where the terrain is widely varied, has trees, roads, signs and light poles in the way.

Oh, and after you fly within a hundred feet of a cell tower get your engines about 10 feet off the ground, and hold this attitude steady for several hundred feet.

Then we'll talk.

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