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The Crusades

Sinewy
post Mar 30 2007, 08:43 AM
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I thought this would be a good thread, and hopefully not one that instigates any hatred, but one that will show how many of the problems of the world, from a religious-political perspective, are the effects of those causes.

This was a part and important feature in Sanders' "Religion Thread", but I was hesitant at first and shyed away due to people perhaps showing biases.

I will employ only using "non-partisan" sources (and for myself that is using Non-Muslim sources) specifically for my proofs, and will comparatively show the partisan side.

If anyone wishes to engage in this, please be civil, fair, and also employ non-partisan sources.

Thank you.

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post Mar 30 2007, 11:51 AM
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I don't have anything to add to this thread but it sounds interesting. I'd be interested to read whatever you have. wink.gif
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post Mar 30 2007, 07:50 PM
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Quick question dealing with 'ethics' and 'morality':

Do people who endure/experience unjust offensive violence have any 'right' to defend themselves?

Onto contributing to this subject of 'The Crusades':

Mohammed and Mohammedism @

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10424a.htm

The Crusades

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04543c.htm

As an aside,

Do U.S. citizens who experience injustice and unjust offensive violence by 'others' who like to refer to themselves as 'U.S. citizens' have any 'right' to defend themsevles?

Do people in Iraq who experience injustice and unjust offensive violence by 'others' have any 'right' to defend themselves.

Do people in Palestine who experience injustice and unjust offensive violence by 'others' have any 'right' to defend themselves.

What is INJUSTICE and UNJUST in your mind?

Is DEFENDING oneself the great 'Injutice', hence defending oneself is 'Unjust'

- OR -

Is instigating INJUSTICE and UNJUST offensive violence the great cause of 'Injustice' is itself 'Unjust' - or is it DEFENDING oneself that this the cause of 'Injustice' in and throughout the world down through all of human history.

Can it be that human HUBRIS is the 'Root Cause' of INJUSTICE and UNJUST offenseive violence against people?

Is HUBRIS a 'spiritual VIRTUE' or is HUBRIS a 'spiritual VICE'?

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Sinewy
post Apr 2 2007, 05:51 PM
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Hopefully, I will start on this thread before Good Friday.



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post Apr 29 2007, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE (Sinewy @ Apr 2 2007, 04:51 PM)
Hopefully, I will start on this thread before Good Friday.



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Looking forward to it! thumbsup.gif
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post Apr 29 2007, 08:01 PM
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Go for it Sinewy! The road is clear.. no more hijacked threads in this forum

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post Apr 29 2007, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (Guinan @ Apr 30 2007, 12:01 AM)
Go for it Sinewy!  The road is clear.. no more hijacked threads in this forum

Guinan

Yep. We can finally talk free about the Roman Catholic church.

He are some random suggestions:

- the crusades

- Inquisition

- burning of witches

- selling of indulgences

- honosexual child molestation

- Opus Dei



orat et laborat: Carl
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post Apr 29 2007, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Apr 29 2007, 07:15 PM)
QUOTE (Guinan @ Apr 30 2007, 12:01 AM)
Go for it Sinewy!  The road is clear.. no more hijacked threads in this forum

Guinan

Yep. We can finally talk free about the Roman Catholic church.

He are some random suggestions:

- the crusades

- Inquisition

- burning of witches

- selling of indulgences

- honosexual child molestation

- Opus Dei



orat et laborat: Carl

...and have you rubber-lined your bathroom yet? wink.gif
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Guinan
post Apr 29 2007, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (Carl Bank @ Apr 30 2007, 02:15 AM)
QUOTE (Guinan @ Apr 30 2007, 12:01 AM)
Go for it Sinewy!  The road is clear.. no more hijacked threads in this forum

Guinan

Yep. We can finally talk free about the Roman Catholic church.

He are some random suggestions:

- the crusades

- Inquisition

- burning of witches

- selling of indulgences

- honosexual child molestation

- Opus Dei



orat et laborat: Carl

Also:

- prohibition of birthcontrol (doesn't matter if you get aids...)


.... sorry Sinewy, now we're hijacking your thread..

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Sinewy
post Apr 30 2007, 04:20 PM
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I am sorry for my tarriance.

This month I have have been busy at work. I will get this started this friday for sure.

Devils Advocate & Guinan: wink.gif tongue.gif
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Sinewy
post Aug 9 2007, 09:17 PM
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Ramadan would commence this thread. Until then, I am busy at the rotations in my field.

It seems I have to continue this thread after all due to what had transpired elsewhere. tongue.gif

I apologize.
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