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Facts About The Shanksville Crater. Put Some Bad Theories To Rest., Images show that the crater was not caused by a boeing 757

Godspeed2012
post Feb 14 2014, 12:35 AM
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These "wing scars" are not caused by wings. They are caused by water. The crater in shanksville that is claimed to be caused by a Boeing 757 was not caused by one at all but by something much smaller. If it was caused by it was caused by a cruise missile or small craft, the weathered scar was used as a target.

The fact that the crash site was meters away from Rollock Scrap yard which you can find connections there but thats another story.

Here is an image of a scar I found not too far from the crater site. Its not a rare feature.

Here is another. These scars were not caused by missiles or planes.

Here is an image of was is usually confused for a vertical stabilizer but I have yet to find a official account stating that the wing and tail scars were actually caused by a plane on 911.



This image shows you the crater that was most likely caused on 911. Too small for a Boeing 757, obviously.
I Hilighted the drainage into the "wing scar"

We can speculate about what caused the small 10 foot wide crater but whatever it was it crashed or targeted the old gash in the ground and WAS NOT A BOEING 757.

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NP1Mike
post Feb 26 2014, 07:31 PM
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I still maintain what I said earlier in this post until proven wrong.

We now have three posters in this thread alone who have surfaced out of no where, averaging two or three posts a year, or less in the case of amillionto1.

amillionto1 (Mar '08) 2 posts total on Feb 26, 2014
Godspeed2012 (Sep '09) 14 posts total on Feb 26, 2014
WhisperingWnd (Jan '10) 8 posts total on Feb 26, 2014

What compelled them/him/her to post to this thread?

I said it before and I'll say it again.
Please stick around folks, I'm looking forward to more of your intellectual contributions to this forum!

Please prove me wrong; that you aren't shills/socks.

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post Feb 27 2014, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 26 2014, 06:31 PM) *
I still maintain what I said earlier in this post until proven wrong.

We now have three posters in this thread alone who have surfaced out of no where, averaging two or three posts a year, or less in the case of amillionto1.

amillionto1 (Mar '08) 2 posts total on Feb 26, 2014
Godspeed2012 (Sep '09) 14 posts total on Feb 26, 2014
WhisperingWnd (Jan '10) 8 posts total on Feb 26, 2014

What compelled them/him/her to post to this thread?

I said it before and I'll say it again.
Please stick around folks, I'm looking forward to more of your intellectual contributions to this forum!

Please prove me wrong; that you aren't shills/socks.




this was the perfect opportunity to share the great link I have had for several years now. usually you have to go to the wayback machine for older accounts of the attacks.
I am however not out of nowhere.

I am not a pilot or a "truther", nor am I someone who has lots of knowledge about any of the events or the "aftermath".

I am an average American who to this day, remember.

on a much more personal level, Flight 93 is of great interest to me. on September 11, 2001 I was living in Toledo Ohio approximately 10 miles from the 180th Wing of ANG.

I happened to be watching ABC that morning, which is something I want to get into a bit. the manager of my apt. building coincidentally was a Sargent in the ANG. sometime around 9am he got into his van and took off out of here practically sideways.

as I watched and listened to peter Jennings a long shot toward the wtc showed something coming from the right hand side of the screen very fast. I said outloud to nobody else, what the Fuck is that, OMG its another .. and it crashed.

I wonder a lot about the coverage that morning. I know lots and lots of people believe the TV achieves on the web have been manipulated or the coverage was staged.

what I remember was the feeling of chaos, suddenly so many events of monumental significance were taking place and the newscast portrayed this.

so peter Jennings continued to report the "other planes" out there, this was before we heard anything about the pentagon or Pennsylvania. in my area, Toledo, there was no sound of any planes whatsoever even though the order to land at the nearest airport had gone out. by now the pentagon was on fire and and nobody knows what is going on, no sign of a plane having crashed... next thing I knew was I saw the tower melting in the background of the shot on tv.

watching the 9/11 TV archives if I remember correctly, Jennings is conversing with john somebody or other and there is not the urgency, the chaotic reporting of planes being reported as missing, crashed, reported as hijacked etc. I am curious if others remember what they saw and heard that day and if it seems the TV archives are different in that respect.

by the time I got some bearings about me I heard a plane out my window. the time was 10:40 am, long long after the order to land came. I am surrounded by airports in that area, Cleveland Chicago, Detroit.. any plane in the sky surely would have landed somewhere by now. living so close to the airport I knew it was too high to land by the sound.

I was familiar with woody who is a member here from a different forum so I discussed with him this plane and we wondered then if it was the delta 1989 or maybe delta 89, (I get them confused) flight because at the time I did not recall what time I heard this plane only that it shouldn't have been near Toledo. the reports of flight 93 and the delta flight at the similar times .. I wondered all kinds of theories about who I heard.

just for the record, I do not buy the o.c.t. one iota, I did though at one time.. long long long ago.

another thing I did not hear is the ANG. I didn't hear any fighter jets. unless they took off and flew straight up like a rocket I don't believe the 180th was tailing flight 93.

in the years that followed the attacks not knowing if the plane I heard was flight 93 and wondering why the delta flight 1989 didn't just land in Toledo .. Air Force One had landed many times so I knew this flight could have plus the ANG was right there.. I was reading something on woodys blog and found this
ashcroft refusing to land in Toledo
so you see, I am NOT out of Nowhere. and not a shill or sock.


on that note mike you probably wont hear from me for another 2 years because mostly I browse here and have nothing of actual significance to contribute among these people with more knowledge more skill, more pertinent life histories. I hope to live long enough to know the truth behind this event.







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post Mar 2 2014, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (WhisperingWnd @ Feb 27 2014, 08:42 AM) *
by the time I got some bearings about me I heard a plane out my window. the time was 10:40 am, long long after the order to land came. I am surrounded by airports in that area, Cleveland Chicago, Detroit.. any plane in the sky surely would have landed somewhere by now. living so close to the airport I knew it was too high to land by the sound.

Interesting. What I see on the radar ~10:35-10:45EDT is this:

There are several aircrafts in the sky around western Erie shore.
Closest to the Toledo at higher altitude - about 10nmi SW at 10:45 is a plane coming from northwest at 31700ft.
Then there is a plane flying NWW -about 20nmi North at ~10:39 at 12200ft:

Could one of them be your plane?

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post Mar 2 2014, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 2 2014, 04:31 PM) *
Interesting. What I see on the radar ~10:35-10:45EDT is this:

There are several planes in the sky around western Erie shore.
Closest to the Toledo at higher altitude - about 10nmi SW at 10:45 is a plane coming from northwest at 31700ft.
Then there is a plane flying NWW -about 20nmi North at ~10:39 at 12200ft:

Could one of them be your plane?



well that really throws a wrench into what I thought was a resolved issue. it seems neither of them could be the plane I heard. one is 31000 feet and the other is 12000 feet. is 12000 feet a distance where one could still hear the flyover - if it wasn't a fighter jet? I thought I remember somewhere reading Ashcroft flew in a Lear jet from where he was in Minnesota that morning, wasn't he also at a school? I really should have checked for this info before replying to your question..

I watch jets sometimes coming in for landings now and at times from where i'm located wheels are down and they appear to be in slow motion approaching the airport. they seem very low
and quite loud. I try to imagine what the sound was like on the ground in NYC and if this even comes close to that. there are cargo planes that come in at night and they too are very low
and loud. I kid you not, sometimes the passenger planes I see coming in you would swear you can see in the windows of the passenger compartment.

these radar images could be fighter jets although at 12000 feet i'm sure I would recognize that sound. 10:40am is approximately 1 hour after the ground stop if i'm correct. I heard 1 plane that morning and the skies were crystal blue here as well. I saw no contrails from flights moving through the area either, and yes I was keeping my eyes out for planes and thought it strange that none seemed to be landing at Toledo express.

hearing that plane and knowing it was too high to land here and Jennings continuing to say they were worried because there were still flights out there unaccounted for finally provoked me into calling the Secret Service and reporting this flight. I told the agent I had heard this plane/jet and was only calling to report because Peter Jennings kept saying that there were planes out they couldn't account for. The Agent said "maybe it landed" and I told him exactly what I've said here, it sounded too high to land.
He thanked me and hung up.

Immediately after I hung up Jennings said "there's a plane down near Cleveland". I know the TV archives do not have Jennings saying that.

I'm beginning to feel sick to my stomach, again. It really appears that 10:40am is not the time when I heard that plane.





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- Godspeed2012   Facts About The Shanksville Crater. Put Some Bad Theories To Rest.   Feb 14 2014, 12:35 AM
- - Godspeed2012   Here is another image showing the drainage. Never ...   Feb 14 2014, 12:40 AM
- - Obwon   If I recall correctly, the plane was supposed to ...   Feb 14 2014, 08:30 AM
|- - amillionto1   QUOTE (Obwon @ Feb 14 2014, 07:30 AM) If ...   Feb 14 2014, 09:16 AM
|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (amillionto1 @ Feb 14 2014, 08:16 A...   Feb 14 2014, 09:25 AM
|- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (amillionto1 @ Feb 14 2014, 08:16 A...   Feb 25 2014, 03:50 PM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (amillionto1 @ Feb 14 2014, 08:16 A...   Mar 3 2014, 01:36 PM
|- - paranoia   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 26 2014, 06:31 PM) W...   Mar 3 2014, 07:54 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (paranoia @ Mar 3 2014, 06:54 PM) n...   Mar 3 2014, 08:19 PM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (paranoia @ Mar 3 2014, 06:54 PM) ...   Mar 4 2014, 08:45 AM
- - NP1Mike   Never mind the crater. What I find much more intr...   Feb 15 2014, 02:38 AM
|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 15 2014, 01:38 AM) N...   Feb 16 2014, 11:53 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (Godspeed2012 @ Feb 16 2014, 10:53 ...   Feb 17 2014, 12:31 AM
|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 16 2014, 11:31 PM) ...   Feb 17 2014, 02:45 AM
||- - Godspeed2012   The missile pod/killtown wash was weak. This site ...   Feb 17 2014, 11:55 PM
|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 16 2014, 11:31 PM) I...   Feb 19 2014, 10:27 AM
|- - Obwon   QUOTE (Godspeed2012 @ Feb 19 2014, 09:27 ...   Feb 19 2014, 01:59 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (Godspeed2012 @ Feb 19 2014, 09:27 ...   Feb 19 2014, 06:09 PM
- - Godspeed2012   RE: Facts About The Shanksville Crater. Put Some Bad Theories To Rest.   Feb 16 2014, 11:54 PM
- - NP1Mike   I still maintain what I said earlier in this post ...   Feb 26 2014, 07:31 PM
|- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 26 2014, 06:31 PM) I...   Feb 27 2014, 03:42 PM
||- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (WhisperingWnd @ Feb 27 2014, 08:42...   Mar 2 2014, 05:31 PM
||- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 2 2014, 0...   Mar 2 2014, 06:36 PM
||- - tumetuestumefaisdubien   QUOTE (WhisperingWnd @ Mar 2 2014, 11:36 ...   Mar 2 2014, 07:16 PM
||- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (tumetuestumefaisdubien @ Mar 2 2014, 0...   Mar 2 2014, 08:08 PM
|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Feb 26 2014, 06:31 PM) I...   Mar 2 2014, 10:46 AM
- - Godspeed2012   As you can see the crater was not caused by a Boei...   Mar 2 2014, 10:57 AM
- - Godspeed2012   thats great. What do you think of the wings scar...   Mar 2 2014, 10:53 PM
- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (Godspeed2012 @ Feb 13 2014, 11:35 ...   Mar 2 2014, 10:59 PM
|- - Godspeed2012   QUOTE (WhisperingWnd @ Mar 2 2014, 09:59 ...   Mar 3 2014, 09:42 AM
|- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (Godspeed2012 @ Mar 3 2014, 08:42 A...   Mar 3 2014, 10:57 AM
- - paranoia   np1mike - fair enough, but we try to be hospitable...   Mar 4 2014, 03:10 AM
- - Godspeed2012   On the topic of Shills, disnfo, and all that prete...   Mar 4 2014, 01:52 PM
|- - Godspeed2012   This thread is not about Radars, or the twin tower...   Mar 4 2014, 01:56 PM
- - Scooby   My two cents on the crater the official report s...   Mar 11 2014, 01:16 PM


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