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The Sockpuppets Invading P4t, Like cockroaches, they are arriving

JimMac
post Mar 3 2014, 01:29 AM
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Have you noticed it? I've been posting on P4T since 2009, and been in a lot of battles here defending the truth. After awhile one becomes seasoned, developing a radar for the shills, dogs from hell. I want to announce to you, something is up. The paid liars are here, flapping their gums, pounding their keyboards. Be on alert.
Jim

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bill
post Mar 11 2014, 11:35 AM
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I am going to edit the complete list a bit but the full 25 are here

http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-...disinformation/

25 Rules for Disinformation

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could so taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough “jargon” and “minutiae” to illustrate you are “one who knows”, and simply say it isn’t so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions.

12. Enigmas have no solution.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards with an apparent deductive logic in a way that forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best for items qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanishing evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won’t have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can “argue” with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the “play dumb” rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.

22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by proper intimidation with blackmail or other threats.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot.


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- JimMac   The Sockpuppets Invading P4t   Mar 3 2014, 01:29 AM
- - tonybird   Well, I'm recently returned to this forum beca...   Mar 3 2014, 07:26 AM
- - hanky   I thought it was so obvious these last few months,...   Mar 3 2014, 04:09 PM
|- - NP1Mike   Yes Jim I agree with you. I mentioned this in anot...   Mar 3 2014, 04:46 PM
- - paranoia   "...just from the sheer massive glut of off-t...   Mar 4 2014, 03:14 AM
|- - JimMac   QUOTE (paranoia @ Mar 4 2014, 03:14 AM) ...   Mar 4 2014, 05:05 AM
- - JimMac   How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manip...   Mar 4 2014, 08:00 PM
|- - WhisperingWnd   QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 4 2014, 07:00 PM) How...   Mar 4 2014, 10:04 PM
|- - JimMac   QUOTE (WhisperingWnd @ Mar 4 2014, 10:04 ...   Mar 4 2014, 11:11 PM
|- - poppyburner   QUOTE (The Guardian)Revealed: US spy operation tha...   Mar 5 2014, 06:33 AM
- - Quest   What I'm curious of is this, if you knew a cer...   Mar 6 2014, 08:44 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (Quest @ Mar 6 2014, 07:44 PM) What...   Mar 6 2014, 08:53 PM
|- - JimMac   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Mar 6 2014, 08:53 PM) It...   Mar 6 2014, 09:34 PM
|- - Quest   QUOTE (NP1Mike @ Mar 7 2014, 01:53 AM) It...   Mar 6 2014, 10:43 PM
|- - NP1Mike   QUOTE (Quest @ Mar 6 2014, 09:43 PM) ...S...   Mar 6 2014, 10:49 PM
- - rob balsamo   Sockpuppets are those who have 2 or more userID...   Mar 6 2014, 11:55 PM
|- - hanky   It seems that I am accused of being a lying troll....   Mar 11 2014, 07:00 PM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (hanky @ Mar 11 2014, 07:00 PM) It ...   Mar 11 2014, 07:21 PM
||- - hanky   By the way, I mentioned I have been observing thes...   Mar 13 2014, 12:26 AM
|- - hanky   Rob? What happened to the post I made yesterday?   Mar 12 2014, 11:50 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (hanky @ Mar 12 2014, 11:50 PM) Rob...   Mar 13 2014, 07:04 AM
|- - hanky   Hah! I figured out the multi-page thing, but I...   Mar 13 2014, 06:53 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (hanky @ Mar 13 2014, 06:53 PM) Hah...   Mar 13 2014, 07:34 PM
- - JimMac   I'm leaving this form in disgust. Rob has my r...   Mar 7 2014, 12:08 AM
|- - poppyburner   QUOTE (JimMac @ Mar 7 2014, 04:08 AM) I...   Mar 7 2014, 07:01 PM
- - rob balsamo   I guess this is what I get for creating a forum se...   Mar 7 2014, 12:27 AM
- - Quest   Rob, forget about "sock puppets". Trolls...   Mar 7 2014, 07:44 AM
- - Quest   QUOTE rob balsamo' date='Mar 7 2014, 05:27...   Mar 7 2014, 07:53 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Quest @ Mar 7 2014, 06:44 AM) Rob,...   Mar 7 2014, 10:49 AM
- - Quest   Just great. JimMac quit the forum. This is what ha...   Mar 7 2014, 03:15 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Quest @ Mar 7 2014, 02:15 PM) Just...   Mar 7 2014, 03:41 PM
- - bill   Well, I haven't been here much lately but, rea...   Mar 9 2014, 07:05 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 9 2014, 07:05 PM) So, R...   Mar 9 2014, 08:43 PM
|- - Tamborine man   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 7 2014, 11:43 PM...   Mar 10 2014, 05:12 AM
||- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (Tamborine man @ Mar 10 2014, 05:12...   Mar 10 2014, 08:05 AM
|- - bill   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 9 2014, 07:43 PM...   Mar 10 2014, 09:09 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 10 2014, 09:09 AM) Fran...   Mar 10 2014, 09:21 AM
- - bill   "Again, thousands of flights are airborne dai...   Mar 10 2014, 10:02 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 10 2014, 10:02 AM) here...   Mar 10 2014, 10:06 AM
|- - bill   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 10 2014, 09:06 A...   Mar 10 2014, 10:15 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 10 2014, 10:15 AM) duh....   Mar 10 2014, 10:32 AM
- - bill   Assuming I did go and get the HEPA filters and hav...   Mar 10 2014, 11:12 AM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 10 2014, 11:12 AM) Base...   Mar 10 2014, 11:19 AM
- - bill   "Bill, I have seen the filters from aircraft. If c...   Mar 10 2014, 12:40 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 10 2014, 12:40 PM) Gee,...   Mar 10 2014, 01:10 PM
|- - bill   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 10 2014, 12:10 P...   Mar 10 2014, 01:41 PM
- - NP1Mike   (I am replying in this thread simply because it is...   Mar 10 2014, 04:29 PM
- - bill   Wow NP a real blast from the past -- another mem...   Mar 10 2014, 06:57 PM
|- - rob balsamo   QUOTE (bill @ Mar 10 2014, 06:57 PM) Wow ...   Mar 11 2014, 01:49 PM
- - bill   I am going to edit the complete list a bit but the...   Mar 11 2014, 11:35 AM
- - bill   quote from rob Bill, you are a pilot. Are you fam...   Mar 11 2014, 12:00 PM
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- - bill   QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 10 2014, 12:10 P...   Mar 11 2014, 12:21 PM
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