Introduction Of Heiwa, Planes should not collide with towers Options

[Heiwa]

If you refuse to accept the visual record.. then there is nothing to work with.

If the visual record is a Hollywood cartoon, it is not much to discuss in case of 'progressive top crush down by gravity NIST collapse', etc, etc. The good news are that nukes do not work at all (impossible to trigger a nano-seconds explosions of a 0.5' diameter 100 lbs uranium sphere) so we can discount that possibility.
It was much simpler. Plenty of smoke around the WTC and bottom-up controlled demolition, while the Hollywood pre-fab cartoons was aired 'live on TV' as direct news.

[9/11 Justice Now]

If the visual record is a Hollywood cartoon, it is not much to discuss in case of 'progressive top crush down by gravity NIST collapse', etc, etc. The good news are that nukes do not work at all (impossible to trigger a nano-seconds explosions of a 0.5' diameter 100 lbs uranium sphere) so we can discount that possibility.
It was much simpler. Plenty of smoke around the WTC and bottom-up controlled demolition, while the Hollywood pre-fab cartoons was aired 'live on TV' as direct news.

Are you trying to say that the collapses on TV where just CGI so they could hide the actual demo of the twins?

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[Heiwa]

Are you trying to say that the collapses on TV where just CGI so they could hide the actual demo of the twins?

That's is what I wrote. Yes, the WTC1/2 911 collapses are CGI. Reason being that no structure of any kind can go POUFF, POUFF, top crushing bottom down to ground at high speed; http://heiwaco.tripod.com/pouf.htm .
I have actually investigated plenty of collisions between the biggest moving steel structures in the world and the result is always the same. The bigger, stronger structure always arrests the smaller, weaker one regardless if collision is horizontal (ships) or vertical (comet hitting Earth). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[amazed!]

SanderO

I've watched WR probably 5 or 6 different times--he even spoke in Europe about his experiences.

A transformer explosion will not burn the flesh off the human body so that it is hanging.

What he witnessed was the first attack, I assume, on the lower structure. High Explosive of some sort, enough to cause structural steel to remain molten for many days. Something special--weapons grade technology.

You fool.

[paranoia]

sanderO: "I say that it is possible that the plane caused an immediate voltage spike which blew several transformers..."

OR, the various explosives wired inside the building, like those that blew up the lobby elevators, blew up the glass, and knocked marble off walls, were precisely timed to coincide with the impact of the plane, in order to (duh) mask their source/cause. looks like some people (like yourself apparently) were indeed fooled by the coincidental timing. or perhaps, as is your modus operandi, you gravitate toward whatever explanation that involves least complicity by nefarious forces, and or whatever explanation that doesnt contradict your personal gravity-collapse theory.


you're always looking the other way when better or more-plausible explanations are available, and thats where your bias is most transparent. and as such, i shall now return to ignoring you - please dont use this response as a platform from which to spew an hour's worth of techno-babble. thank you kindly sir.

[SanderO]

Guys,

Kettle calling the pot black...

The transformers were below WR... and when they explode all sorts of hot oil is expelled. I didn't say that it was power transformers.. I offered that as an possible explanation.

I didn't see any evidence of core columns from the sub basement melted. Why would they attack the central core columns anyway? They had so little to do with supporting floors... but they *framed* the shaft of car #50 - them main freight car which traveled from the sub basement to the roof... and from which I believe is where the building engineers emerged burnt.

[elreb]

I didn't see any evidence of core columns from the sub basement melted. Why would they attack the central core columns anyway?

Images of the World Trade Center Site Show “Thermal Hot Spots” on September 16 and 23, 2001.

Initial analysis of these data revealed a number of thermal hot spots on September 16 in the region where the buildings collapsed 5 days earlier. Analysis of the data indicates “temperatures greater than 800 degree F”.

Over 3 dozen hot spots appear in the core zone…

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/ofr-01-0405.html

NOTE: Jet fuel [Kerosene] has an open air burn temperature of less than 600 degree F.

[elreb]

In physics and thermodynamics, heat is energy transferred from one body, region, or thermodynamic system to another due to thermal contact or thermal radiation when the systems are at different temperatures.

Planck's law describes the spectrum of black “Kettle” radiation, which depends only on the object's temperature.

This is around 1200 degree F.

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[mrmitosis]

When I watch any video of the 911 one-way crush downs I just see Hollywood CGI at work.

No offence guys, but when I see SanderO is being subjected to a barrage of criticism, mockery and ridicule from every conceivable angle, while in the meantime quotes such as the one above are left basically unchallenged, I know for sure that I have entered cloud cuckooland.

[Heiwa]

No offence guys, but when I see SanderO is being subjected to a barrage of criticism, mockery and ridicule from every conceivable angle, while in the meantime quotes such as the one above are left basically unchallenged, I know for sure that I have entered cloud cuckooland.

SanderO has failed the Heiwa Challenge and is thus a failure.
Re CGI at work may I clarify:
All footage of videos and photos of 911 at NY is fake! Planes flying into towers, big holes in top of towers, fires, smoke, top-down destructions, more smoke and debris, heaps of rubble are fake. They are just parts of pre-made Hollywood cartoons to mislead the public.
How do I know? Do the plane/tower collisions look real? Maybe, maybe not? Do the holes in the towers and the fires and smoke look real? Maybe, maybe not. Do the top-down destructions look real? This is my expertize! Structural, dynamic damage analysis! And I can assure you that no structure can self-destroy by small, weak top crushing big, stronger bottom. So the top-down destructions are CGI. Easy to see for an expert like me.
And as the top down destructions are CGI, the rest is also CGI. Welcome to cuckooland USA/Hollywood/GWB/Condi Rice and other fools. Don't blame me. I am just a concerned observer from far away.
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This post has been edited by Heiwa: Nov 15 2011, 02:49 AM

[9/11 Justice Now]

SanderO has failed the Heiwa Challenge and is thus a failure.
Re CGI at work may I clarify:
All footage of videos and photos of 911 at NY is fake! Planes flying into towers, big holes in top of towers, fires, smoke, top-down destructions, more smoke and debris, heaps of rubble are fake. They are just parts of pre-made Hollywood cartoons to mislead the public.
How do I know? Do the plane/tower collisions look real? Maybe, maybe not? Do the holes in the towers and the fires and smoke look real? Maybe, maybe not. Do the top-down destructions look real? This is my expertize! Structural, dynamic damage analysis! And I can assure you that no structure can self-destroy by small, weak top crushing big, stronger bottom. So the top-down destructions are CGI. Easy to see for an expert like me.
And as the top down destructions are CGI, the rest is also CGI. Welcome to cuckooland USA/Hollywood/GWB/Condi Rice and other fools. Don't blame me. I am just a concerned observer from far away.
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Heiwa just admit it you dont have 1 million dollars, and you CGI theory is crap anyhow.

What are you still doing here bothering everyone?

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[SanderO]

Consider the possibility (or probability) that as the towers were mechanically destroyed it released heat... When you file metal or sand wood, you mechanically *destroy* the wood or metal.. to dust and shavings...and heat is a by product. If there was mechanical pulverization of hundreds of thousands of tons of material... such as concrete slabs... sheet rock and so forth.. enormous amount of heat would be a by product. You can't not have heat produced from mechanical destruction.

The heat can and will radiate to surrounding materials.. the air and so forth.... but in the case of a gravity driven collapse much of the disintegrated, shattered, fractured and pulverized material seeks it's lowest level... like water would. It's conceivable and likely that the hot material was insulted by the debris above... and there may have been anaerobic exothermic reactions under the pile... which would only add to the heat.

The heat would eventually disappear as it is conducted to cooler surrounding material. The WTC pile remained hot for months... hotter lower down in the pile where there the hot material was insulated. Millions of gallons of water was applied to cool the pile which had chemical added which were supposed to suppress fires if I recall correctly.

Of course another explanation is that some super hot material like thermite was use to destroy the towers and the unreacted material simply made its way to the bottom.. again like water seeking its level and continued to anerobically combust the steel and iron there. This is possible... but I have not seen evidence of this.

[DoYouEverWonder]

No offence guys, but when I see SanderO is being subjected to a barrage of criticism, mockery and ridicule from every conceivable angle, while in the meantime quotes such as the one above are left basically unchallenged, I know for sure that I have entered cloud cuckooland.

Just because one person is wrong, doesn't make the other person right.

[Heiwa]

Heiwa just admit it you dont have 1 million dollars, and you CGI theory is crap anyhow.

No, no. All my ideas are great. That's why I am a winner. What about you, Justinus? Tell us about your victories! Just one! Any! Of none? Justnone.

This post has been edited by Heiwa: Nov 15 2011, 08:36 AM

[Heiwa]

Consider the possibility (or probability) that as the towers were mechanically destroyed it released heat...

Sorry O or 0 or whatever. If you destroy something like towers, does it (or them?) release heat? What is the probability?

OK, you destroy a 1 litre bottle of water at temperature 90°C. Evidently you then release 1 litre of water, but do you release heat? Or 90°C wet water. Is that heat? Pls explain! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
PS I always like to ask idiots stupid questions!
I had to do that frequently when I was still employed.

This post has been edited by Heiwa: Nov 15 2011, 08:47 AM

[mrmitosis]

Trollin', trollin', trollin',

Keep on trollin', trollin',

Troll HIGH!!!

Defacating on your own thread is so hilariously lame that it doesn't even generate a laugh. You're not even making an attempt to appear credible, and you know that we know it.

The exercise is so utterly pointless, such a drain on the time and energy of people who are here for the right reasons, and yet we find ourselves perpetuating the cycle. A troll's hunger never goes unsatisfied, I guess.

[elreb]

This is Hollywood...both in June of 2001

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[Heiwa]

Operation Amalgam Virgo 01 was a CINCNORAD joint task counter-terrorist and field training exercise (FTX) carried out in Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida on early June 2001. NORAD sponsored the multi-agency planning exercise involving the hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile or UAV launched by a terrorist group. Osama Bin Laden was pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. Key military players involved in the exercise also included personnel from the 1st Air Force battalion, the U.S. National Guard, the U.S. Reserve forces, and the U.S. Navy.

Several naval ships including the USS Yorktown and the Navy Aegis cruiser were dispatched to the Gulf of Mexico as part of the multi-service anti-cruise missile operation. Military land personnel from the 1st Air Force also engaged in gathering radar information on low-level targets by using the Joint-Based Expeditionary Connectivity Center (JBECC), a mobile shelter capable of being deployed to high-risk regions while providing early warning signals on cruise missile attacks.

A cruise missile of red force OBL nearly missed the blue force GWB ranch somewhere in Texas but hit a dog in Alaska. CINCNORAD started a nuclear attack against Russia but wiped out Rwanda, central Africa, instead. US Airforce generals mixed up Rwanda and Russia.

This post has been edited by Heiwa: Nov 15 2011, 03:18 PM

[elreb]

George Orwell got it right in “Nineteen Eighty-Four” with Emmanuel Goldstein who by 2001 became Osama bin Laden to justify a reason for more military buildup, surveillance and elimination of civil liberties…

The twin towers needed to come down anyway to resolve the asbestos and bolt problem. [Electrolysis/oxidation]

Arabs don’t come up with cutesy dates like 911…but the "brain trust" would.

[BarryWilliamsmb]

No, no. All my ideas are great. That's why I am a winner. What about you, Justinus? Tell us about your victories! Just one! Any! Of none? Justnone.

I know for sure ignernt don't work on account of I bin that here.

If rude works I'm heading to planet 2.

Peace?