IPBFacebook



POSTS MADE TO THIS FORUM ARE THE SOLE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE AUTHOR AND DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT THE VIEWS OF PILOTS FOR 911 TRUTH
FOR OFFICIAL PILOTS FOR 9/11 TRUTH STATEMENTS AND ANALYSIS, PLEASE VISIT PILOTSFOR911TRUTH.ORG


DIGITAL DOWNLOADS

WELCOME - PLEASE REGISTER OR LOG IN FOR FULL FORUM ACCESS ( Log In | Register )

4 Pages V   1 2 3 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
The NTSB Flight Path, The Descent Angle, & The VDOT Radio Tower, How'd "Hani" miss it & level off 6 ft over the lawn

Aldo Marquis CIT
post Feb 29 2008, 04:58 PM
Post #1


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



...and boy, that is a hell of a descent angle...





Rob, UT or Marco it would be great if any of you guys can put up a zoom in of that projected flight path, based on the coordinates with the wingspan measured out. It might be a little tough because the satellite doesn't show the antenna from directly above, so it appears slanted. I did this quickly based on the flight path image, "debunking911myths", had shown. So if you guys can post an image, that would be helpful and we can investigate this thoroughly. If not I can do it later.

Thx guys.

Comments?

This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Mar 5 2008, 01:35 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Feb 29 2008, 05:22 PM
Post #2


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



More images of the radio tower:





















This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Mar 1 2008, 01:41 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Feb 29 2008, 05:24 PM
Post #3


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rob balsamo
post Feb 29 2008, 06:14 PM
Post #4



Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,745
Joined: 13-August 06
Member No.: 1



Try to find a sectional chart and/or any type of geo-survey with height of that antennea and i can input the pole into my FDR pitch/roll animation.

Good point you raise Aldo.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Feb 29 2008, 06:48 PM
Post #5


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



Thnx Rob.

Is there a site where I can get that info, Rob?

or will I need to call VDOT?

This post has been edited by Aldo Marquis CIT: Feb 29 2008, 06:49 PM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rob balsamo
post Mar 1 2008, 12:21 AM
Post #6



Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,745
Joined: 13-August 06
Member No.: 1



Try here....

http://www.naco.faa.gov/digital_tpp_search...;end=10-25-2007

If its not listed there (i havent looked through the site thoroughly), try google for Baltimore/Washington Terminal Area Chart.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
paranoia
post Mar 1 2008, 12:55 AM
Post #7


dig deeper
Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 1,033
Joined: 16-October 06
From: dc
Member No.: 96



hey man, i looked here:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/...ationSearch.jsp

and got these results:


but cant figure out which one it is. according to google maps i got these (not exact) coordinates:


so maybe with that you can figure out which one it is. i didnt want to say exactly which one, cuz i wasnt sure. but im pretty sure it is one of those listed above.

also, i dont know if this helps for this particular task, but might come in handy at some point, the aeronautical chart for KADW:
http://skyvector.com/#33-23-2-2725-1699
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rob balsamo
post Mar 1 2008, 02:24 AM
Post #8



Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,745
Joined: 13-August 06
Member No.: 1



QUOTE (paranoia @ Feb 29 2008, 11:55 PM) *
also, i dont know if this helps for this particular task, but might come in handy at some point, the aeronautical chart for KADW:
http://skyvector.com/#33-23-2-2725-1699


As usual, your research is impeccable paranoia. That is the exact chart i was talking about. Unfortunately, i was hoping the antennea was the hghest structure in ithat area west of the pentagon. It appears there are buldings just south that are the highest at 590 MSL.

It appears we need to get Survey type charts which show height of all structures in the area. I have no idea how to obtain such. Perhaps ask Gage?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Mar 1 2008, 01:38 PM
Post #9


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



Remember, I was already chasing that antenna/radio tower before they released the data and Russ was directly involved in my questioning of that.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=9023

If you remember, Russ had even made a graphic that allegedly accounted for the antenna. But he was off because he didn't have the data and was simply trying to account for the "mechanical damage" path.



Interesting read; a blast from the past...

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...c=12518&hl=

Rob what is the last coordinate entry on the NTSB data?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
paranoia
post Mar 1 2008, 07:57 PM
Post #10


dig deeper
Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 1,033
Joined: 16-October 06
From: dc
Member No.: 96



QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Feb 28 2008, 05:24 AM) *
As usual, your research is impeccable paranoia. That is the exact chart i was talking about. Unfortunately, i was hoping the antennea was the hghest structure in ithat area west of the pentagon. It appears there are buldings just south that are the highest at 590 MSL.


thanks rob - i'd say almost impeccable thumbsup.gif hehe, for i have occasionally over-looked some of the more obvious info out there, but i try! btw- i looked at that nautical chart but unfortunately i couldnt really identify the exact location in question. i figured as a pilot you would have better luck, so im glad i posted it (i almost didnt).

aldo - im guessing its not just the height of the tower you need but the elevation of the land at that location as well, yes? isnt there a way to compare it, say to the sheraton and come up with an educated guess? or is the elevation of the sheraton also an unknown number?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tnemelckram
post Mar 2 2008, 05:58 AM
Post #11





Group: Contributor
Posts: 767
Joined: 30-January 08
Member No.: 2,690



[size="4"][/size]

Hi! This is my first post. Been lurking for a couple of months and thinking a lot about the information. AS to what we've been told about 911 - something is rotten in Denmark

I looked at Google Earth and the location of the Tower is 38 51 59 N and 77 04 06 W.

The Register shows a tower owned by the State of Virginia at 38 50 48 N and 77 04 51 W.

I think that is the Tower in the Register that we are concerned with.

As to Height the Register says AGI 39.4 (whatever that is).

Hope this helps.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
riv
post Mar 2 2008, 10:09 AM
Post #12





Group: Student Forum Pilot
Posts: 50
Joined: 5-September 07
Member No.: 2,015



QUOTE (tnemelckram @ Feb 29 2008, 08:58 AM) *
[size="4"][/size]
As to Height the Register says AGI 39.4 (whatever that is).


You sure is not AGL, aka above ground level?

This post has been edited by riv: Mar 2 2008, 10:10 AM
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
tnemelckram
post Mar 2 2008, 02:33 PM
Post #13





Group: Contributor
Posts: 767
Joined: 30-January 08
Member No.: 2,690



QUOTE (riv @ Feb 29 2008, 12:09 PM) *
You sure is not AGL, aka above ground level?



Hi Riv!

You are right and it says so plain as day. I learned a few things; AGL being the least important:

1. Don't post when you come stumbling in at 4 AM.

2. Use the "View Full Size" button.

3. I can find things on the ground but I wouldn't make much of a pilot.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
UnderTow
post Mar 3 2008, 12:44 AM
Post #14





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,421
Joined: 28-August 06
From: Virginia, USA
Member No.: 19



Hi All. I'm alive yes.

Outstanding thread. Good stuff.

Despite Sketch making some really good stuff, nothing like that 2nd photo really conveys the true attack angle that we are talking about. People just need to think about it.

The roof of the Pentagon is below the floor of the Annex.(just thought of that, is that right?) And with AGL, to a pedestrian, 1000ft could look like 300ft, and 500ft could look like "tree top" level.

Cheers

-UT
Reason for edit: spelling1
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rob balsamo
post Mar 3 2008, 02:18 AM
Post #15



Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,745
Joined: 13-August 06
Member No.: 1



Good to see you UT.

I'd say that antennea is close to 100' AGL given the height of the building and cars shown in this photo.

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Mar 4 2008, 11:43 AM
Post #16


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



Hey UT, good to have you back.

Can you plug in the last coordinate and draw a straight line to the radio tower?

Because I know it's gonna present a problem for this...

Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rob balsamo
post Mar 4 2008, 11:50 AM
Post #17



Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,745
Joined: 13-August 06
Member No.: 1



http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...t&p=7864657
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Aldo Marquis CIT
post Mar 4 2008, 03:00 PM
Post #18


Citizen Investigator


Group: Contributor
Posts: 1,179
Joined: 16-August 06
Member No.: 10



QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Mar 4 2008, 03:50 PM) *



OK, I'll bite.

Which one do I download?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
rob balsamo
post Mar 4 2008, 08:46 PM
Post #19



Group Icon

Group: Admin
Posts: 9,745
Joined: 13-August 06
Member No.: 1



The link goes directly to a post where UT plotted a straight line from the last lat/long point to the pentagon.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
UnderTow
post Mar 5 2008, 12:38 AM
Post #20





Group: Respected Member
Posts: 1,421
Joined: 28-August 06
From: Virginia, USA
Member No.: 19



Actually, since each successive point should/would be farther to the previous (increasing speed), and I didn't feel like going through the whole math thing, I cut/paste enough of the previous pins and lined up two dots on top of each other. Thus the path duplicates itself. IIRC

It's fairly sloppy but basically accurate. tongue.gif
Reason for edit: clarification
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

4 Pages V   1 2 3 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 




RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 26th May 2020 - 11:45 PM