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Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 13 2009, 04:40 AM

Pilots For 9/11 Truth first trailer for the upcoming presentation "9/11: WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK" analyzing the events which took place in downtown New York on September 11, 2001.



Be sure to rate it here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbeascqrnBU

... and spread it everywhere...!

Posted by: Leslie Landry Sep 13 2009, 10:36 PM

wow rob! that looks AMAZING!

Posted by: p.w.rapp Sep 14 2009, 06:38 AM

That's what I'd call a teaser!
And deservedly so!
Can't wait to see the full video!

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Posted by: bobcat46 Sep 14 2009, 08:02 AM

I have been saying since 9/12 when they said that some poorly trained terrorists flew the planes into the WTC & Pentagon that there is no way it happened that way. Back in 1970 I was living in Los Angeles and was a search and rescue pilot with the Civil Air Patrol (CAP) and was doing aerobatics. I had an ASEL rating at the time. I was at what I consider the top of my flying skill level. We took our CAP students on a tour of the Contenental Air Lines facility at LAX. Being a CAP pilot, I had the opportunity to fly their B-727 simulator. Even with my piloting skill level, I found it very difficult to accurately fly the airliner. The turning rate and response was so very different from a small single engine plane, I just found it hard to believe. It was like going from driving your car and then trying to drive a semi-tractor trailor. However what those poorly trained terrorists did on 9/11 was going from the car to the semi and then driving at top speed through a series of curves.

There is just no way poorly trained single engine pilots flew those planes into those buildings. Of course, an airliner didn't even fly into the Pentagon at all based on all the evidence I have seen. If the DOD would only show us the security films from the security cameras (and there were many) on the corners of the building showing the 757 impacting the building, pictures of 757 debris being removed from the site, and confirmation of parts serial numbers from the airframe, it might change my mind.

I guess now that all of us who have logged onto this site will never have the opportunity to work for the federal government again, based on what happened to that guy that resigned from the White House staff for signing a petition to have 9/11 investigated again.

Posted by: Westgate Sep 14 2009, 09:41 AM

Cannot wait to see it Rob - well done and many thanks.

Posted by: Shallel Sep 14 2009, 10:49 AM

Thanks Rob. I feel this will help John Q Public understand the impossibility of these maneuvers, by Arabs who weren't even on board according to the flight manifests,
some of which apparently survived the fiery impacts, and whose passports were found on top of the ash pile.

You've got a great wealth of knowledge here, with so many distinguished pilots contributing.

I see it from the engineering perspective, and know these are impossible fairy-tales.

Looking forward to this!


Blessings, Shallel

Posted by: Passengeronly Sep 14 2009, 11:22 AM

I really look forward to seeing the tech details about NYC and the Trade Center spelled out in the film--Thanks for all the hard work!

Posted by: Rickysa Sep 14 2009, 02:15 PM

whooooooweeeeee......sweet!

Now when does that sucker come out?????

Rick

Posted by: JohnS Sep 14 2009, 02:32 PM

If I could order it right now I would -- when's it coming out?! Hopefully it will be convincing to NON-pilots, because from the layperson's point of view, it seems straightforward enough to steer a plane straight into a giant building. (I realize it wasn't "straight into" but I've had this discussion with a lot of people and have heard it over and over..."what's so hard about it? You see the building, you aim for it, bang.")

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 14 2009, 03:45 PM

Nice Job! Looks nice!

Posted by: onesliceshort Sep 14 2009, 04:00 PM

Really can´t wait for this one.
Spreading this as we speak.
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Posted by: dv8 Sep 14 2009, 04:52 PM

looking good, great work!! thumbsup.gif

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 14 2009, 09:53 PM

For those who asked...

"When is it coming out?", the answer is soon! We havent finalized a date yet because we are still dotting our i's and crossing our t's. We will be releasing another trailer with the final release date. Remember, our resources are limited and with the forum being hacked, it set us back in terms of time. Was the forum hack a deliberate distraction? It seems every time we are working on a new presentation, we come under heavy fire either from detractors, or from a http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=17787 within the "Movement". Once i started to ignore it all and concentrate on my work, the forum got hacked. I had to drop everything to fix the forum which took a lot of time and resources. With that said, im not blaming anyone in particular for the hack, but we do have a trail which leads to some interesting suspects. Still working on the trail and will post our findings eventually.

For those who have contributed whether financially or through research... or in some cases... both.. , i thank you from the bottom of my heart. This presentation would not have been possible without you.

Rob

Posted by: moh2o Sep 14 2009, 10:29 PM

Great Trailer, I can't wait to see the whole thing.

I have some friends who are all commercial pilots, two are twin engine instructors and one flys the smaller twin turbo prop plane for UPS overnight delivery, out of Reno/Sparks.
They all will not watch anything that I present.
They totally believe the Government coverup story.
When I asked the one that is the UPS overnight flyer, if poorly trained private pilots could fly into the towers that accurately, he said ' no problem it would be just like hitting a trash can with your car in an empty parking lot."

???
I think he is full of crap.

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 14 2009, 10:36 PM

QUOTE (moh2o @ Sep 14 2009, 07:29 PM) *
Great Trailer, I can't wait to see the whole thing.

I have some friends who are all commercial pilots, two are twin engine instructors and one flys the smaller twin turbo prop plane for UPS overnight delivery, out of Reno/Sparks.
They all will not watch anything that I present.
They totally believe the Government coverup story.
When I asked the one that is the UPS overnight flyer, if poorly trained private pilots could fly into the towers that accurately, he said ' no problem it would be just like hitting a trash can with your car in an empty parking lot."

???
I think he is full of crap.



I am A flight attendant. I have some pilots that will defend the official story with every unfair debating trick in the book!

It seems to me that they are only defending the lies of their life that actually is their foundation of their life. Take that away? They are left with nothing. They would rather kill me than face the truth.

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 14 2009, 10:54 PM

QUOTE (ChrisPDX @ Sep 14 2009, 10:36 PM) *
I have some pilots that will defend the official story with every unfair debating trick in the book!



I too used to make all kinds of excuses for the govt story prior to http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots#Balsamo. This is perhaps accepted as a "real patriot" believe it or not. Those who go out of their way to "sell" the official story to themselves and others, its considered loyalty to our govt and therefore the flag. Its what we been told is a "real patriot" and drilled into our minds since grade school. "I pledge allegiance.. .to the flag..."

Dont get me wrong, i still value the Pledge Of Allegiance, but.... for which it stands. The American flag, and therefore, "for which it stands", no longer stands for the same values of our Constitution. We now have tyrants using our flag as a form of "dont question what we do, just trust us.. .and anyone who does question us... is a kook!". Free Speech Zones? The "Patriot Act"? The Military Commissions Act? This is not what the Flag "Stands" for....

Once these "real" patriots allow their minds to open up to what is actually REAL based on data, and realize what a REAL Patriot is, they become the most hardened ally in the fight against corruption and tyranny.

Keep working on them Chris. Be patient, be polite, just show facts.

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 14 2009, 11:13 PM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 14 2009, 07:54 PM) *
I too used to make all kinds of excuses for the govt story prior to http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots#Balsamo. This is perhaps accepted as a "real patriot" believe it or not. Those who go out of their way to "sell" the official story to themselves and others, its considered loyalty to our govt and therefore the flag. Its what we been told is a "real patriot" and drilled into our minds since grade school. "I pledge allegiance.. .to the flag..."

Dont get me wrong, i still value the Pledge Of Allegiance, but.... for which it stands. The American flag, and therefore, "for which it stands", no longer stands for the same values of our Constitution. We now have tyrants using our flag as a form of "dont question what we do, just trust us.. .and anyone who does question us... is a kook!". Free Speech Zones? The "Patriot Act"? The Military Commissions Act? This is not what the Flag "Stands" for....

Once these "real" patriots allow their minds to open up to what is actually REAL based on data, and realize what a REAL Patriot is, they become the most hardened ally in the fight against corruption and tyranny.

Keep working on them Chris. Be patient, be polite, just show facts.



Thanks, Rob...

I just did that.

I asked my pilots on my last trip to figure out the NTSB figures about AA77 presented by you.....This time i was polite and only asked questions. I let them figure it out.....anyway.......the least I got was a seed planted in them.

They were my test subjects in my new way of approach. It is better to ask them questions, then to tell them facts.....then keep asking questions instead of an answer to their questions that they asked.....I am learning.....


Anyway, It finally came down for me to tell them about this site and for them to debunk you. They didn't find the time.

All I asked them was how I plane can travel at 462 knts and travel about 3000' feet from ALT 300 ' and be level at the 3000' foot mark? They couldn't figure it out in their head or wouldn't attempt it at the time. (I based this loosely on your video using 1cm=100feet)

I'm not a pilot, but I can see that it is impossible, unless it was a military jet. So I think I hopefully planted a little seed, courtesy from you!

Thanks Rob

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 14 2009, 11:23 PM

If anyone has not seen http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0985699/, please watch it, its a brilliant film.

Although it may be lost on some, please pay attention to the opening "Pledge" (the cadence mostly, but the words as well), the transition to American language, and the use/native tongue of the actors actually used... and the parallels they imply.

Absolutely brilliant.

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 14 2009, 11:27 PM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 14 2009, 07:54 PM) *
I too used to make all kinds of excuses for the govt story prior to http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots#Balsamo. This is perhaps accepted as a "real patriot" believe it or not. Those who go out of their way to "sell" the official story to themselves and others, its considered loyalty to our govt and therefore the flag. Its what we been told is a "real patriot" and drilled into our minds since grade school. "I pledge allegiance.. .to the flag..."

Dont get me wrong, i still value the Pledge Of Allegiance, but.... for which it stands. The American flag, and therefore, "for which it stands", no longer stands for the same values of our Constitution. We now have tyrants using our flag as a form of "dont question what we do, just trust us.. .and anyone who does question us... is a kook!". Free Speech Zones? The "Patriot Act"? The Military Commissions Act? This is not what the Flag "Stands" for....

Once these "real" patriots allow their minds to open up to what is actually REAL based on data, and realize what a REAL Patriot is, they become the most hardened ally in the fight against corruption and tyranny.

Keep working on them Chris. Be patient, be polite, just show facts.



Rob?

Check out: http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/

Doug Owen basically runs the site.......it has a big internet listening audience as well as micro-broadcasters around the country.

I think you would be a great guest on here! Contact Doug first, then he could get your voice on the air! The info you provide on your site would be perfect for this site from your own mouth! You could become a regular with your own time slot. That's how most got their own their own slot. I mean, I can't promise.....but the info you have is what this site likes!

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 14 2009, 11:37 PM

Chris,

You must understand my plate is extremely full. Im sure you can imagine the amount of suggestions i get in one day to contact this person or that, combined with verifying new applicants, replying to other email questions and putting together presentations you see in the OP trailer.... just to name a few.

With that said, we depend on those who support and understand our work to open doors with the analysis we provide. Im only one man. But i will do my best to look into it.

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 14 2009, 11:45 PM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 14 2009, 08:37 PM) *
Chris,

You must understand my plate is extremely full. Im sure you can imagine the amount of suggestions i get in one day to contact this person or that.

With that said, we depend on those who support and understand our work to open doors. Im only one man. But i will do my best to look into it.



Rob ,absolutely I understand!

Actually, I wondered to my self how you could find the time to do what you are doing? (Perhaps in the flight deck? hehheheh)

I do hope to get to know you and others on here. I realize it will take a while. It will take a while to know that I am not a shill or a plant or a whatever.....I am an old hat on these 911 sites....but new here.....best 911 site I found for info so far!! Hats off to you Rob!

Actually, you could contact a pilot on here that works with me at Horizon Air....I don't know him, but I did drop a note in his mailbox once when I saw his name on the members list....but no reply from him....he is a Q400 Captain.......I am a real FA at QX! Over worked pig in this bloody corporate airline world during this so called recession! hehehe

Cheers to you Rob!

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 14 2009, 11:54 PM

QUOTE (ChrisPDX @ Sep 14 2009, 11:45 PM) *
Actually, you could contact a pilot on here that works with me at Horizon Air...



Ahhh yes... http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots#Nieman. I have consulted with him during the Q400 crash in Buffalo.

Steve has been advised of your post.

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By the way Chris, i never once thought you were "shill".

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 14 2009, 11:59 PM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 14 2009, 08:54 PM) *
Ahhh yes... http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots#Nieman. I have consulted with him during the Q400 crash in Buffalo.

Steve has been advised of your post.

smile.gif


OK, Thanks Rob......I would love to meet him.....I always hope that we would be on a trip together for a chat!

Edit: Thanks about the shill thing.....I know how it goes.......so many out there...I just assumed that everyone thinks everyone else is a shill!! hehehe Thanks for trusting me!

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 15 2009, 12:04 AM

QUOTE (ChrisPDX @ Sep 14 2009, 11:59 PM) *
Thanks for trusting me!



My opinion is not based on trust... i assure you. smile.gif

Posted by: Trapster Sep 15 2009, 12:10 AM

Dutch Roll.....eh?

Why the flying Aircraft Carrier??

Looks like a well done piece of work. Great to hear commentary from real pilots on the issue of 9/11.

Posted by: ChrisPDX Sep 15 2009, 12:12 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 14 2009, 09:04 PM) *
My opinion is not based on trust... i assure you. smile.gif



An answer I would expect from a pilot! hehehehe

Gotta love you pilots! I am for one glad you all are around!

I wanted to be a pilot in Middle School (Junior High) , but I bought the lie that there would be no more oil, so why bother? (I'm a '65 baby) I trusted too much. Now it seems we are stuck with this polluted corrupt oil for the rest of our lives! It appears to me that oil is created by the earth from within, from the reports I have read......Oil reserves seem to replenish themselves over time.......just other theory...

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 15 2009, 12:13 AM

QUOTE (Trapster @ Sep 15 2009, 12:10 AM) *
Dutch Roll.....eh?


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QUOTE
Why the flying Aircraft Carrier??


Because only i can lift a Nimitz Class Carrier out of the water... wink.gif

lol... but seriously.. listen to the words. You'll see more when its released.

QUOTE
Looks like a well done piece of work. Great to hear commentary from real pilots on the issue of 9/11.


Thank you Trap. smile.gif

Posted by: Cary Sep 15 2009, 12:46 AM

Excellent piece. I've been very distracted with 4 family terminal illnessess/deaths over the last 18 mos. Look for my renewed support financially in the very near future.

Sorry Rob, sometimes life gets in the way of what I'm passionate about. You ROCK like a MOFO dude. "Keep your pecker hard and the world will turn my man." Direct quote from "Platoon" and now Charlie Sheen is back in the public eye supporting our views. I need to get a phone call into Alex Jones live, so I can chide him about now picking up the torch here.

Keep it rockn' my brother. I'm in your corner, just distracted for a while, but I'm back now. New job/career now that all the dying have died, and money will be flowing.

Remember what Mark Twain said about Patriots. You're a prime example. And the cavalry is coming up to secure your position.

To everyone reading this, call in to all the radio shows you listen to and ask why don't they have Rob on their show as a featured guest. The man needs some heavy exposure because he has the "facts" as my engineering neighbor awoke to from the 'Attack On The Pentagon" DVD. Brilliant stuff.

YOU 'DA MAN, ROB!

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 15 2009, 12:50 AM

No... you da man Cary!

Cary.... great to see you back my friend!

Im so sad to hear of your losses and i understand why you havent been around.... but at the same time... Im grinning ear to ear just by your presence.

I look forward to once again having my Cajun friend on the front line charging forward with us.



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Posted by: onesliceshort Sep 15 2009, 09:24 AM

QUOTE
To everyone reading this, call in to all the radio shows you listen to and ask why don't they have Rob on their show as a featured guest. The man needs some heavy exposure because he has the "facts" as my engineering neighbor awoke to from the 'Attack On The Pentagon" DVD. Brilliant stuff.


I have compiled an extensive list of email addresses and telephone numbers of independent news channels, reporters, radio stations and investigative journalists if anybody is interested.
I would list them off on the forum but there are quite a few and didn´t want to appear to be spamming the stuff lol.
I have never in my life had so little faith in the media as I do now (and this is coming from somebody who was brought up in Belfast during the blanket propaganda era in the 70s and 80s) but if they were to receive a few thousand emails, telephone calls and faxes every other day maybe they would be embarrassed into even looking at the info , even to try and brand it ´conspiracy nuttery´.
They haven´t the balls. Because they can´t debunk it.
Aaanyway, send me an IM if you want the list. Cheers.

PS. Sorry Cary to hear of your losses. Going through the same at the moment mate.

Slan thú

Peace.

Posted by: saturnx311 Sep 15 2009, 01:17 PM

It looks very polished, but a little more of a tease from the movie would help, IMO.

Posted by: saturnx311 Sep 15 2009, 01:41 PM

QUOTE (ChrisPDX @ Sep 14 2009, 06:36 PM) *
I am A flight attendant. I have some pilots that will defend the official story with every unfair debating trick in the book!

It seems to me that they are only defending the lies of their life that actually is their foundation of their life. Take that away? They are left with nothing. They would rather kill me than face the truth.


I think you've hit the nail on the head there Chris. Same thing with all the people-- some my own siblings-- that I've spoken to, that just will NOT even read anything or look at anything that doesn't go along with the official conspiracy theory.

My brother looked at the debris pictures of the Pentagon on that ATS thread and, since he was an engineer for Pratt & Whitney, he says "I recognize that [rotor] from a turbofan engine". OK, Mr. Knowitall, but where's the context? The credit? Who released it? etc., etc. then he goes silent. Show them some common sense and their eyes glaze over.
They go on the attack: "You're obsessed" "I HAVE a life", etc. Truth? That's for loonies.

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 15 2009, 08:52 PM

QUOTE (saturnx311 @ Sep 15 2009, 01:41 PM) *
My brother looked at the debris pictures of the Pentagon on that ATS thread and, since he was an engineer for Pratt & Whitney, he says "I recognize that [rotor] from a turbofan engine". OK, Mr. Knowitall, but where's the context? The credit? Who released it? etc., etc. then he goes silent. Show them some common sense and their eyes glaze over.
They go on the attack: "You're obsessed" "I HAVE a life", etc. Truth? That's for loonies.



Tell your brother that the aircraft which allegedly hit the Pentagon was hanging Roll Royce engines under its wings, not Pratts.

Although, he should recognize it, it does look more like something off a JT8D, which is a Pratt engine. Let us know when he wants to join our ranks after you tell him this. smile.gif

I'd personally like to speak with him myself.

Posted by: saturnx311 Sep 16 2009, 01:16 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 15 2009, 04:52 PM) *
Tell your brother that the aircraft which allegedly hit the Pentagon was hanging Roll Royce engines under its wings, not Pratts.

Although, he should recognize it, it does look more like something off a JT8D, which is a Pratt engine. Let us know when he wants to join our ranks after you tell him this. smile.gif

I'd personally like to speak with him myself.


Funny! He said "Even though it's a Rolls-Royce..." Haha!

You could speak with him, but the problem with him is, he won't read a message past the first few words if it tells the truth. It's like hitting your head against the wall, it feels so good when you stop...I've told him about that awesome analysis of the flight path animation, and his answer was, basically, "Don't confuse me with facts..."
Like I said, he's fairly typical in that he only wants to look at anything that agrees with the official conspiracy theory. He toes the line, a typical follower-- not much of a free-thinker.

Posted by: Omega892R09 Sep 16 2009, 11:22 AM

QUOTE (saturnx311 @ Sep 14 2009, 03:16 AM) *
He toes the line, a typical follower-- not much of a free-thinker.

Doh! I live with one of those, it's called a wife, bless her.

Sure makes life difficult at times especially as she isn't very strong on science, engineering or technology. I end up with vitriol all over me, some females sure know how to deliver that!

She thinks I fill my head with nonsense from all the 'Chat' room on the 'net. I have never visited one of those and keep clear of Facebook etc. too.

I am looking forward to seeing the result of this next venture of yours Rob.

EDIT. Typo. Dang this keyboard with it keys arranged in a curve. Another good idea from Microsoft!

Posted by: tnemelckram Sep 16 2009, 12:46 PM

QUOTE
Why the flying Aircraft Carrier??


QUOTE
Because only i can lift a Nimitz Class Carrier out of the water... wink.gif


It never hurts to work a "Nimitz Class Aircraft Carrier" into the argument. It's muscular and appeals to the National Security, Patriotic, Obey The Government Meat-And-Block-Head types.

There's another angle. Each WTC had about the same tonnage of interconnected steel frame as a Nimitz Class. Therefore, both have the same "heat sink effect" and are roughly equally capable of resisting, enduring absorbing, wicking away and/or spreading and dissipating the heat from the "hot jet fuel fires". Both have about three times as much interconnected steel tonnage that a 30,000 ton WWII Essex Class had. All good War-Heads know they survived multiple dastardly kamikaze hits from planes that caused "hot aviation fuel fires" (which I understand burn even hotter than jet fuel because in a propeller plane, there are tiny injection and other ports like on your car engine to keep clean).

EDIT TO ADD: And then IIRC, only a small percentage of the poorly trained kamikaze pilots (like the 911 pilots) managed to hit the similarly sized but sideways targets.

(and he still wouldn't quit . . . . . .)

Posted by: JoJo Sep 16 2009, 03:46 PM

The trailer was good only I wish there was a little more to it. Nonetheless, I will purchase it.

Been thinking of how to approach a friend of mine, about this. Retired MD-80 captain. Fleet captain, check airman, instructor, the quintessential of an airline pilot. The video (if he will watch it), might stir up a lively discussion.

Am a former flight attendant (darn these airlines keep going out of business). After my third airline went tango uniform, I had to find other means of employment. But my heart's always been centered around aviation and am married to an airline professional (not a pilot - that's the first question everybody's asks). Husband has 39 years in the industry.

Even husband is not interested in anything about 9/11. How is it that people really believe a 757 flew into the Pentagon? I find it hard anyone very few people question this and the ones that do put their lives, reputations, and careers on the line. Those are the brave ones and I salute all of you. salute.gif

Posted by: rob balsamo Sep 16 2009, 11:35 PM

I changed the topic title of this thread to better reflect this trailer as we will be coming out with another shortly... wink.gif

Posted by: Carl Bank Sep 17 2009, 02:14 AM

QUOTE (rob balsamo @ Sep 15 2009, 06:13 AM) *
whistle.gif

Because only i can lift a Nimitz Class Carrier out of the water... wink.gif


Rob! So it was YOU who starred in that movie together with Martin Sheen!?

No wonder, his son is so passionate about 9/11 truth!



Posted by: Carl Bank Sep 17 2009, 02:48 AM

QUOTE (Cary @ Sep 15 2009, 06:46 AM) *
Keep it rockn' my brother. I'm in your corner, just distracted for a while, but I'm back now.



Cajun Cary is BACK !!!


Yuppieh! Let's all celebrate this and sing along with that Cajun tune


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRsmWtv7ag


Welcome back you sob! Man, I've missed you. We ALL did!

Carl

Posted by: cheapchippy Sep 17 2009, 05:32 AM

Excellent stuff.
Ive rated it and commented.

It probably too late Rob but this song Crime of the Century by Supertramp would be a great addition.


Now they're planning the crime of the century
Well what will it be?
Read all about their schemes and adventuring
It's well worth a fee
So roll up and see
And they rape the universe
How they've gone from bad to worse
Who are these men of lust, greed, and glory?
Rip off the masks and let see.
But that's no right - oh no, what's the story?
There's you and there's me
That can't be right

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