Loose Change Debates Mark Roberts |
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Loose Change Debates Mark Roberts |
 Dec 17 2006, 02:43 PM
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I think the LC boys did a great job! Alot more could have been covered, but obviously time prohibited that.
One thing i noticed is how Mark and Ron tried to paint with the broad stroke usually used by the so called 'debunkers' repeating CT stuff they found on the net and trying to pin it on Dylan and Jason. Weak, stale, typical tactic of the govt loyalists... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=14...341498508&hl=en |
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Dec 17 2006, 02:55 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1 |
'Off-Camera' chit-chat.. mostly talking about elections.. etc.
But its good to see these guys being civil to one another... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=47...478165351&hl=en |
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Dec 17 2006, 03:05 PM
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Pilots For 911 Truth Researcher Group: Newbie Posts: 54 Joined: 22-October 06 From: Indiana Member No.: 125 |
nice..
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Dec 17 2006, 03:13 PM
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Group: Admin Posts: 9,266 Joined: 13-August 06 Member No.: 1 |
another thing i'd like to add...
notice how Ron and Mark always parrot the official govt line.. and make excuses as to why we cannot see the evidence. Well.. that isnt good enough for me... If 95% of UA93 was recovered.. i wanna see it! I want photos of it ALL. I want to see serial numbers matched up with the maintenance logs... and on and on... This has nothing to do with national security if they release the information.. it has EVERYTHING to do with OUR country! |
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Dec 17 2006, 06:33 PM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 432 Joined: 14-August 06 From: california Member No.: 3 |
so basicially all the jet fuel just burned 5% of the plane? and is the seconary debris field figuerd into the missing 5%?
cravy's a total shill |
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Dec 17 2006, 06:56 PM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 806 Joined: 17-October 06 Member No.: 104 |
QUOTE (johndoeX @ Dec 17 2006, 03:13 PM) If 95% of UA93 was recovered.. i wanna see it! I want photos of it ALL. I want to see serial numbers matched up with the maintenance logs... and on and on... yeah i definitely feel you on that. i've seen that mentioned many times, about how 95% of it was actually recovered. WHERE IS IT???? any other time, the NTSB would have made a reconstruction of the plane from the parts they found, but apparently this one is a ghost. If the official story debators are riding on the government's word on ANYTHING, then i don't even care what they come to the table with. how could them only SAYING they have recovered 95% of the plane be good enough to ANYONE who's at least been exposed to the possiblity of 9/11 being an inside job, much less someone like Mark Roberts, who i'm SURE has seen everything there is to see about the 9/11 conspiracy theories? |
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Dec 17 2006, 09:36 PM
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Group: Valued Member Posts: 388 Joined: 25-August 06 Member No.: 13 |
About how much of the plane was recovered... then Miller (the same Miller that the Myth guy was talking about in the show) said:
Miller, the director of a family-run funeral home and elected county coroner for Somerset, Pa., said only eight per cent of the wreckage was recovered He also said: Victim recovery efforts were hampered because most of the salvageable human remains were in the treetops It is such a huge work Team8 has done about flight 93. team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1161 And in my opinion they zoom it up pretty well in this word: "Another physical problem: The normal physical assumption would be that: If the plane crashed into a soft ground it would enter deeply but not break up completely. If the plane crashed into hard ground it would not enter deeply and break apart completely. But what happened with UA 93 is that it managed to enter 50 feet deep into the ground but at the same time break completely apart. How can this be explained?" Well, I am totally agree. |
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Dec 17 2006, 09:47 PM
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The fountain of truth... Group: Valued Member Posts: 63 Joined: 13-September 06 From: American Falls, Idaho USA Member No.: 48 |
Haha -
the moderator was like "Jason - the guiding light, and Dylan Avery - producer of the film" then he "corrects" himself and says "Jason - the producer of the film, and Dylan is the guiding light" Is it just me or did he try to correct himself (when he already had it right) but in fact got it wrong? I wonder how that feels - knowing that the moderator is wrong but uanble to correct them. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) |
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Dec 17 2006, 10:09 PM
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∞* M E R C U R I A L *∞ Group: Valued Member Posts: 5,870 Joined: 25-August 06 From: SFO Member No.: 16 |
QUOTE (Sureshot @ Dec 18 2006, 01:47 AM) I wonder how that feels - knowing that the moderator is wrong but uanble to correct them. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) As a general rule of thumb, the more ignorant one is, the less stupid one feels oneself to be. EDIT to add: I realize what I said isn't addressing your point but I couldn't resist; I just see how true this is every day. Meanwhile, I'm feel myself to be so stupid I'm the first to admit I have no idea what the hell is really going on. What I DO know is it isn't what they're telling us -- that stupid, I'm not. |
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Dec 17 2006, 10:23 PM
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Ragin Cajun Group: Valued Member Posts: 3,691 Joined: 14-August 06 From: Baton Rouge, LA Member No.: 5 |
Is Mark Roberts aka "Gravy"? If so, he's a total f*cking idiot. If not, he's a total f*cking idiot. LOL Why all the focus on flight 93? Not the strongest evidence. Otherwise, a great interview. Dylan and Jason were great.
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Dec 18 2006, 12:23 AM
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Unlucky for none Group: Newbie Posts: 112 Joined: 20-October 06 Member No.: 116 |
QUOTE (Sureshot @ Dec 18 2006, 01:47 AM) Haha - the moderator was like "Jason - the guiding light, and Dylan Avery - producer of the film" then he "corrects" himself and says "Jason - the producer of the film, and Dylan is the guiding light" Is it just me or did he try to correct himself (when he already had it right) but in fact got it wrong? I wonder how that feels - knowing that the moderator is wrong but uanble to correct them. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/doh1.gif) That is a common tactic to let the audience feel that the knowledge (or whatever) isn't well known or accepted and therefore isn't worth or instinctive or easy to get right in the first place. It was an audible subliminal message for the audience (and a quick belittler against the LC Camp.) This post has been edited by Sarah Connor: Dec 18 2006, 12:24 AM |
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Dec 18 2006, 03:54 AM
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Veteran Group: Valued Member Posts: 737 Joined: 13-September 06 Member No.: 46 |
Is part B up yet?
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Dec 19 2006, 02:32 AM
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Group: Student Forum Pilot Posts: 134 Joined: 22-October 06 Member No.: 136 |
QUOTE (MichaelMR @ Dec 18 2006, 02:54 AM) Is part B up yet? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...073434589&hl=en |
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Dec 19 2006, 05:45 AM
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serving suggestion Group: Valued Member Posts: 254 Joined: 20-October 06 Member No.: 113 |
hmmm
I was surprised by Mark Roberts. O.k he's obviously barking up the wrong tree here, but I was surprised at how cool headed, well prepared and well researched he is. He is perfect for this role. I am not sure Jason and Dylan are so perfect for theirs. Let's face it, Dylan is a film maker, nothing more. And Bermas is the "researcher" although at times it's obvious that he hasn't got a handle over the facts and figures that he gives out. He doesn't come across as a fountain of knowledge, just someone with strong opinions. We need heavyweights. We need proficient debaters. We need people that swing opinion, open minds and win debates and discussions - what we have here is two guys with a film full of mistakes trying to rectify them and defend their "claims". The "9/11 Truth" camp in this debate were on the defensive, not the offensive. Not ideal. Sofia should have been there. And 9/11 Mysteries should have been on the table. Hell make that Sofia and Jdx vs. the Shill Camp! Now that's a debate! Or what about the Jersey girls thrown in as well for effect! This debate was too easy for Mark ( thanks also to the Moderator ). And why should it be with the overwhelming amount of evidence of a coverup at hand. Dont get me wrong, I have much respect for LTW and they have done wonders for the movement but I think it's time for them to step back as "spokespeople". There's too much at stake here. |
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Dec 19 2006, 01:56 PM
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..with liberty and justice for all. Group: Valued Member Posts: 1,152 Joined: 15-October 06 From: Orlando, FL Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (KILL YOUR TV! @ Dec 19 2006, 04:45 AM) hmmm I was surprised by Mark Roberts. O.k he's obviously barking up the wrong tree here, but I was surprised at how cool headed, well prepared and well researched he is. He is perfect for this role. I am not sure Jason and Dylan are so perfect for theirs. Let's face it, Dylan is a film maker, nothing more. And Bermas is the "researcher" although at times it's obvious that he hasn't got a handle over the facts and figures that he gives out. He doesn't come across as a fountain of knowledge, just someone with strong opinions. We need heavyweights. We need proficient debaters. We need people that swing opinion, open minds and win debates and discussions - what we have here is two guys with a film full of mistakes trying to rectify them and defend their "claims". The "9/11 Truth" camp in this debate were on the defensive, not the offensive. Not ideal. Sofia should have been there. And 9/11 Mysteries should have been on the table. Hell make that Sofia and Jdx vs. the Shill Camp! Now that's a debate! Or what about the Jersey girls thrown in as well for effect! This debate was too easy for Mark ( thanks also to the Moderator ). And why should it be with the overwhelming amount of evidence of a coverup at hand. Dont get me wrong, I have much respect for LTW and they have done wonders for the movement but I think it's time for them to step back as "spokespeople". There's too much at stake here. I agree. However, who else do we have at this point? Plus the only way for someone to get better at debating is to... debate. Positive thoughts. (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/cheers.gif) |
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Dec 19 2006, 02:08 PM
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aka Oceans Flow Group: Valued Member Posts: 3,211 Joined: 19-October 06 From: Oregon Member No.: 108 |
I tend to agree with KILL YOUR TV! The LC crew did okay, but Mark Roberts won the debate. Not that he convinced me, but he was very well prepared and delivered his evidence quite well. Kudos for the kids, though. They come up against some very crafty old guys but hold their own.
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Dec 19 2006, 02:30 PM
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Group: Newbie Posts: 113 Joined: 28-October 06 Member No.: 179 |
Where is the part B to the Part A I watched???
Yes i think they really need to focus to WTC7 and lost money/put options ect. This post has been edited by directearnings: Dec 19 2006, 05:10 PM |
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Dec 19 2006, 03:49 PM
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..with liberty and justice for all. Group: Valued Member Posts: 1,152 Joined: 15-October 06 From: Orlando, FL Member No.: 65 |
QUOTE (dnd @ Dec 19 2006, 01:32 AM) QUOTE (MichaelMR @ Dec 18 2006, 02:54 AM) Is part B up yet? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4...073434589&hl=en ^^^^^^^^ (IMG:http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/style_emoticons/default/salute.gif) |
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Dec 19 2006, 06:00 PM
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Group: Newbie Posts: 113 Joined: 28-October 06 Member No.: 179 |
What I find so interesting is that 2 people (Mark R and the boys) can have such opposite and contrasting views on the 911 subject...like seriously think about that. THEY DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING
how is that even possible...and i dont like that host jerk whoever he is also and why didnt the LC boys stay more with WTC7?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? comon guys This post has been edited by directearnings: Dec 19 2006, 06:03 PM |
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Dec 19 2006, 06:16 PM
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Veteran Group: Valued Member Posts: 737 Joined: 13-September 06 Member No.: 46 |
It was unfortunate. That was basically Bermas vs. those two. Dylan just sat there like a dud.
Anyhow, I think that KYT nailed it. It wasn't necessarily that Roberts was more proficient in his debate, it's just that they didn't even try to touch on subjects that are contrary to the official story. They were just contending what the other guys were saying. The fact that they crapped on LC and said to look at 9/11 mysteries was blow to themselves to begin with. They are right though, Press for Truth and 9/11 Mysteries are without a doubt the biggest bombs in the TM right now. Much respect to them for their efforts, but they shouldn’t show up to a debate empty handed trying to glance over at the other guy’s stack of research papers. |
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