Gm's Bob Lutz Say Global Warming A "crock Of Sh*t" Options

[Quest]

"Maximum" Bob Lutz is a man who always speaks his mind, no matter how outlandish, which is why it should be no surprise the General Motors honcho says global warming "is a total crock of sh*t."

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2008/02/bob-lutz-global/

Could this be why GM's Bob Lutz was let go? Did Lutz refuse to toe the NWO line?

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/09/bo...bal-warming.php

Check this video out.

Bob Lutz is a Putz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdTVw-_PzwY

This post has been edited by dMole: Jun 2 2009, 12:20 AM

Reason for edit: Added video embed codes

[Lasthorseman]

And he would be correct.
A well thought out marketing push to lower the lifestyles of all Americans for the profits enhancement of the elite.
That is what is really is.

Want to be really devout about this issue? That means you must live exactly as the Amish do. For more info see Dr. Brian OLeary and his theory of supression of energy technology. CT is becoming reality.

[Sanders]

Yes - Bob Lutz has the correct answer to this question, the activists dressed as parrots and penquins, yelling "Lutz is a Putz" and demanding to see him, do not. Lutz may be a putz, but the mean temp of the earth has been falling slightly over the last half a dozen years.

http://www.ncasi.org/publications/Detail.aspx?id=3152
http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?anno...fields=no_panel

[lunk]

There is something about this whole story that seems so staged.
Rich CEO swears, and people, posing as animals,
protest their potential future extinction.

Hmm there maybe a truth here,
that has nothing to do with animals, gas, cars or weather.

[Quest]

There is something about this whole story that seems so staged.
Rich CEO swears, and people, posing as animals,
protest their potential future extinction.

Hmm there maybe a truth here,
that has nothing to do with animals, gas, cars or weather.

Bingo.

[albertchampion]

contrary to the propaganda, lutz is demented. or homicidal.

has been for years.

a major perp in the murdering of the us automobile industry.

[Omega892R09]

but the mean temp of the earth has been falling slightly over the last half a dozen years.

http://www.ncasi.org/publications/Detail.aspx?id=3152

Sanders.

I see that we are back on ARGO there and I have already informed you that the cooling finding was erroneous and why and where this assessment came from.

http://nsidc.org/cgi-bin/bist/bist.pl?anno...fields=no_panel

Yeh! Right!

And a big chunk of ice recently broke off the Wilkins ice shelf, the latest in a number of casualties. You do realise what this means don't you?

It means that you continue to repeat disinformation.
If you repeat this stuff you should expect me to counter it and that should not be taken as picking on you.

[Sanders]

Sanders.

I see that we are back on ARGO there and I have already informed you that the cooling finding was erroneous and why and where this assessment came from.

I missed that. You're saying the mean temperature of the measurable oceans has NOT fallen slightly over the last 6 years?

[Omega892R09]

I missed that. You're saying the mean temperature of the measurable oceans has NOT fallen slightly over the last 6 years?

Basically yes (but the topic is complex so see link at foot of this post). The evidence is in the continued melting of ice shelves and the retreat of glaciers. How's Glacier National Park getting on these days?

Volcanic activity and tropical forest fires had increased the particulate mater in the atmosphere which has had a slowing effect on temperature rise, for which we should be grateful, but not reversed it.

However I have also pointed out that the temperature measurements over such a time period need not be representative of the overall trend.

When one considers 'measurable oceans' one has to consider the fact that the top layer of ocean warms significantly in the tropics but (which may surprise you to know that vessels traveling from polar regions to the tropics face an overall uphill water slope), in the absence of mechanism for mixing, the larger volume lower layer does not demonstrate a temperature change. Also different means have been adopted over time and between levels. A temperature boundary in a body is known as a thermocline.

Salinity is another factor in the stratification of water as fresh water tends to float on salt water as sailors of old discovered when sailing past the Amazon estuary even at some distance in the offing. A salinity boundary is known as a halocline.

Temperature and salinity variation creates three basic ocean layers. The upper layer of the surface zone, the middle layer of the pycnocline and the deep zone. If one creates an average ocean section between the poles then the lower boundaries of both the is pycnocline and surface zone tend toward the surface where the boundaries coincide in high latitudes. Thus at high latitudes the deep zone reaches the surface. A pycnocline is a layer where density increases with depth.

The correlating of diverse data sources on ocean temperatures is thus a complex area of science in its own right and some of the pitfalls and findings are discussed here, and through the links within:

Ocean heat content revisions

Note that there are some significant comments WRT climate models within that article.

[lunk]

Salinity is another factor in the stratification of water as fresh water tends to float on salt water as sailors of old discovered when sailing past the Amazon estuary even at some distance in the offing. A salinity boundary is known as a halocline.

This is an excellent way to heat water, a pool of salt brine, lined in black plastic, will heat up in the sun. Pure water can be trickled over top and it wont mix, but just extracts the heat from the hot brine, and can be collected as pure, fresh hot water, from the other side of the pool.

(edit) that's pure fresh water

This post has been edited by lunk: May 31 2009, 06:15 PM

[Omega892R09]

This is an excellent way to heat water, a pool of salt brine, lined in black plastic, will heat up in the sun. Pure water can be trickled over top and it wont mix, but just extracts the heat from the hot brine, and can be collected as pure, fresh hot water, from the other side of the pool.

(edit) that's pure fresh water

De-salination plants use a variety of technologies, some more energy efficient than others.

Amongst the more efficient are those using osmosis from a saline (sea water) to a non-saline (fresh water) fluid through a semi-permeable membrane, I still recall that 'semi-permeable membrane' bit being drummed into us at school in 1950s Biology classes.

Another is the use of long polythene tunnels where the sunlight streaming through causes the water to evaporate and then run down the arc of the tunnel into collector troughs. This requires a small input of energy to pump in air to keep the tunnels inflated into their arc sections.

The worst use energy to boil water in a conventional evaporator-condenser system. OK if the energy comes from renewables but much does not.

This reminds me that two of the worst carbuncles on the planet in terms of wasteful energy have to be Dubai and Vegas. The latter may feel the heat as Lake Mead dries up.

EDIT. PS.

Whilst at university in the 1980s I recall exploring the possibility of using thermoclines in the ocean as the basis of power generation including a system schematic diagram. I also recall fellow students having trouble with such a diagram in respect of feedbacks and hysteresis. They had not had my background in aircraft and propulsion systems engineering with the latter especial providing valuable insights into such areas. The fuel control system of a Phantom Spey engine, and especially the complex re-heat fuel control system which had to take account of varied conditions of boundary layer control bleed according to flap position as well as attitude and airspeed was something else. This was the price paid for operating a fast and heavy jet from our smaller aircraft carrier.

This post has been edited by Omega892R09: Jun 1 2009, 06:44 AM

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[Omega892R09]

A misleading graph was posted here. My, O892's, words not tumes.

If you are going to post images then please provide a citation for their source.

Also it is a good idea to look at the context of such images.

Whatever. As soon as I saw it I recognised it as being similar to those produced by the Potty Peer - Lord Monckton of Brenchley.

Monckton is something of a star turn becoming rather more entertaining than Mel Gibson as can be seen here:

Monckton’s deliberate manipulation

More commentators around here should spend a little time browsing around there, including the comments. You all will learn much.

[Nunyabiz]

Yep Global Warming is all plot that somehow 99% of the all the worlds scientist are all in on.

ROTFL

I am embarrassed every time I see this BS from 9/11 truth people.

[André]

Yep Global Warming is all plot that somehow 99% of the all the worlds scientist are all in on.

ROTFL

I am embarrassed every time I see this BS from 9/11 truth people.

... and 99% of scientist do not question what really happened on 9/11.

ROTFL

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[Sanders]

99% of scientists?? Where did you get that figure?

I've read a lot of stuff on this topic, and it seems to me there is a very large and growing number of scientists who do not subscribe to the official climate-change conclusions, or who are angry that their names have been tacked onto IPCC reports that they do not agree with. Scientists more often than not depend on government funding for their livelihood - it is not in one's self-interest in this day and age if you are a climate scientist and do not agree with the official positions of the IPCC, so you would expect a lot of people to go with the flow on this - but despite the financial repercussions, many do not.

Yeah, for the record, I do believe we're in for some climate change though - it's gonna get colder. Someone can tell me in 20 years if I was full of it or not.

[gepay]

99% of scientists?? Where did you get that figure?

I've read a lot of stuff on this topic, and it seems to me there is a very large and growing number of scientists who do not subscribe to the official climate-change conclusions, or who are angry that their names have been tacked onto IPCC reports that they do not agree with. Scientists more often than not depend on government funding for their livelihood - it is not in one's self-interest in this day and age if you are a climate scientist and do not agree with the official positions of the IPCC, so you would expect a lot of people to go with the flow on this - but despite the financial repercussions, many do not.

Yeah, for the record, I do believe we're in for some climate change though - it's gonna get colder. Someone can tell me in 20 years if I was full of it or not.

[Omega892R09]

I've read a lot of stuff on this topic, and it seems to me there is a very large and growing number of scientists who do not subscribe to the official climate-change conclusions, or who are angry that their names have been tacked onto IPCC reports that they do not agree with.

Sources please?

[Anduril]

There is something about this whole story that seems so staged.
Rich CEO swears, and people, posing as animals,
protest their potential future extinction.

Hmm there maybe a truth here,
that has nothing to do with animals, gas, cars or weather.

There are two quite distinct issues here:

[1] Is man-made global warming fact? Nope, can't be: Man's inputs are trivial.

[2] Is there global warming of any kind? Perhaps.

Fortunately there is a good way to address these problems.

CO2 in the world's oceans can be taken up by seeding selected areas of the sea with iron salts. This creates a huge growth of micro-organisms, which can be harvested by floating oil refineries and shipped off as fuel.

This neatly undercuts both OPEC and the Global Warming crowd, while giving the fish more to eat, thus increasing fish stocks.

Cheap fuel forever! Smiles

Anduril

[panthercat]

In his book "The Weather Makers," Tim Flannery objectively outlines what is actually happening, without telling the reader what to believe and leaves you to to draw your own conclusions.

If Bob Lutz was fully mission capable of leading GM into their bankruptcy, it appears he is full of chypt himself.

Remember, don't shoot the messenger, you'll only be wasting bullets.